NEED HELP WITH 44 MAG RELOADING - The Firearms Forum

ricknadine1111 · 08-12-2010, 02:36 PM

I have all redding loading equip such as the hand turrent loading bench model and the redding 44 special/ 44 mag reloading dies set that is titanium carbide.
The problem I am having is when I seat my bullet the case is wrinkled below the bullet will this affect the performance and why is this happening?
Should I purchase the redding set that is just for 44 mag not both 44 mag and 44 special, on the redding web sight the bullet seating die sets have different part numbers do you think they are defferent sets or sizes?

lawdawg · 08-12-2010, 02:39 PM

You could be putting too much crimp and crushing your cases. It may help if you could post some photos of the cases. Your dies should be fine for loading 44 mag.

carver · 08-12-2010, 02:50 PM

I use the dies for both .44Mag, and .44spcl. I think lawdawg got it right, I agree with his take on this one. Back off on the amount of crimp, and set the bullet so that it doesn't quite make it to the crimp ring, then adjust slowly untill you have what you need.

ricknadine1111 · 08-12-2010, 03:45 PM

pictures are up

ricknadine1111 · 08-12-2010, 04:09 PM

I got it, I adjusted the die set up more in the turrent then tightened the lock ring, now I don't smash the case when I set the bullet, thanks

JLA · 08-12-2010, 06:55 PM

excessive crimp caused that, your die was simply screwed down too far into the press.

Popgunner · 08-12-2010, 09:29 PM

Yup too much crimp crushed the case.

With the 44 mag you'll want a very heavy crimp to keep the bullets from pulling out of the unfired cases in a revolver under recoil. If your cylinder locks up you'll know you need more crimp.

I've fired cases similar to yours that weren't quite so crushed & they ironed out well. What do y'all think about firing some like this?(safety wise)

gdmoody · 08-13-2010, 12:34 AM

I have to agree with everyone else, too much crimp.

johnlives4christ · 08-13-2010, 03:11 AM

you must have a heck of a gun on your arm to pull the handle hard enough to do that to a casing... i wussed out when belling

The_Rifleman · 08-13-2010, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Popgunner

What do y'all think about firing some like this?(safety wise)

It looks as if they wouldn't fit in the chamber. I would pull them myself.

woolleyworm · 08-13-2010, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Rifleman

It looks as if they wouldn't fit in the chamber. I would pull them myself.

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Originally Posted by Popgunner

I've fired cases similar to yours that weren't quite so crushed & they ironed out well. What do y'all think about firing some like this?(safety wise)

+1 Being that crumpled, better just to pull'em and scrap the few quarters worth of brass and start over. Pretty severe crimp and that will affect the case volume and the brass is definitely going to be worked pretty hard if fired. Errr on the side of safety here.

carver · 08-13-2010, 05:34 AM

If your pistol is a Ruger, and the cases will fit in the cylender, then I would fire them. That will take most, if not all the wrinkle out of the cases. If they don't fit in the cylender, then pull the bullets, and save them, and the powder, and toss the cases.

JLA · 08-13-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by johnlives4christ

you must have a heck of a gun on your arm to pull the handle hard enough to do that to a casing... i wussed out when belling

It really doesnt take a whole lot of force to smash a case, less than resizing the case actually.

Night Driver · 08-14-2010, 07:35 AM

I've never been a big fan of a rolled crimp. For one thing they don't always work well, they are definitely bad for accuracy and cause some really hard on brass cases. That and the fact that I seldom shoot a bullet with a cannelure kinda rules them out for me. On the other hand I do use a taper crimp on the heavier .44 and .41 mag loads I brew up. Unfortunately that is an extra cost option with most die sets. Well at least it used to be. Its been a while since I have purchased any reloading dies.

Have you had problems with bullets coming out of cases? The only handgun I ever had do it regularly was a .44 special Charter Arms Bulldog. That gun had an alloy frame and recoiled smartly. I was never able to completely stop that problen with stout reloads. Regardless of what kind and how severe a crimp I put on them. I solved that problem the old fashioned way. I sold the gun.

wyoredot · 08-14-2010, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Night Driver

I've never been a big fan of a rolled crimp. For one thing they don't always work well, they are definitely bad for accuracy and cause some really hard on brass cases. That and the fact that I seldom shoot a bullet with a cannelure kinda rules them out for me. On the other hand I do use a taper crimp on the heavier .44 and .41 mag loads I brew up. Unfortunately that is an extra cost option with most die sets. Well at least it used to be. Its been a while since I have purchased any reloading dies.

Have you had problems with bullets coming out of cases? The only handgun I ever had do it regularly was a .44 special Charter Arms Bulldog. That gun had an alloy frame and recoiled smartly. I was never able to completely stop that problen with stout reloads. Regardless of what kind and how severe a crimp I put on them. I solved that problem the old fashioned way. I sold the gun.

I was thinking back on mine and don't recall having any bullet problems like creaping out. I generally like to shoot full house loads in my Smith, and I did crush the first few like you show in the pics but after adjusting things, I have had better luck.

08-12-2010, 02:36 PM	#1
ricknadine1111 Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: LANCASTER,CALIFORNIA Posts: 3	NEED HELP WITH 44 MAG RELOADING I have all redding loading equip such as the hand turrent loading bench model and the redding 44 special/ 44 mag reloading dies set that is titanium carbide. The problem I am having is when I seat my bullet the case is wrinkled below the bullet will this affect the performance and why is this happening? Should I purchase the redding set that is just for 44 mag not both 44 mag and 44 special, on the redding web sight the bullet seating die sets have different part numbers do you think they are defferent sets or sizes? --> Last edited by ricknadine1111; 08-12-2010 at 03:44 PM..

08-12-2010, 02:39 PM	#2
lawdawg V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: South Alabama Posts: 268	Re: NEED HELP WITH 44 MAG RELOADING You could be putting too much crimp and crushing your cases. It may help if you could post some photos of the cases. Your dies should be fine for loading 44 mag. __________________ Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

08-12-2010, 02:50 PM	#3
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,295	Re: NEED HELP WITH 44 MAG RELOADING I use the dies for both .44Mag, and .44spcl. I think lawdawg got it right, I agree with his take on this one. Back off on the amount of crimp, and set the bullet so that it doesn't quite make it to the crimp ring, then adjust slowly untill you have what you need. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

08-12-2010, 03:45 PM	#4
ricknadine1111 Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: LANCASTER,CALIFORNIA Posts: 3	Re: NEED HELP WITH 44 MAG RELOADING pictures are up

08-12-2010, 04:09 PM	#5
ricknadine1111 Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: LANCASTER,CALIFORNIA Posts: 3	Re: NEED HELP WITH 44 MAG RELOADING I got it, I adjusted the die set up more in the turrent then tightened the lock ring, now I don't smash the case when I set the bullet, thanks

08-12-2010, 06:55 PM	#6
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,328	Re: NEED HELP WITH 44 MAG RELOADING excessive crimp caused that, your die was simply screwed down too far into the press. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

08-12-2010, 09:29 PM	#7
Popgunner Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Contributor Posts: 1,764	Re: NEED HELP WITH 44 MAG RELOADING Yup too much crimp crushed the case. With the 44 mag you'll want a very heavy crimp to keep the bullets from pulling out of the unfired cases in a revolver under recoil. If your cylinder locks up you'll know you need more crimp. I've fired cases similar to yours that weren't quite so crushed & they ironed out well. What do y'all think about firing some like this?(safety wise)

08-13-2010, 12:34 AM	#8
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,362	Re: NEED HELP WITH 44 MAG RELOADING I have to agree with everyone else, too much crimp. __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

08-13-2010, 03:11 AM	#9
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: NEED HELP WITH 44 MAG RELOADING you must have a heck of a gun on your arm to pull the handle hard enough to do that to a casing... i wussed out when belling

08-13-2010, 05:34 AM	#12
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,295	Re: NEED HELP WITH 44 MAG RELOADING If your pistol is a Ruger, and the cases will fit in the cylender, then I would fire them. That will take most, if not all the wrinkle out of the cases. If they don't fit in the cylender, then pull the bullets, and save them, and the powder, and toss the cases. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

08-14-2010, 07:35 AM	#14
Night Driver V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: TEXAS, LAKE LIVINGSTON AREA Posts: 51	Re: NEED HELP WITH 44 MAG RELOADING I've never been a big fan of a rolled crimp. For one thing they don't always work well, they are definitely bad for accuracy and cause some really hard on brass cases. That and the fact that I seldom shoot a bullet with a cannelure kinda rules them out for me. On the other hand I do use a taper crimp on the heavier .44 and .41 mag loads I brew up. Unfortunately that is an extra cost option with most die sets. Well at least it used to be. Its been a while since I have purchased any reloading dies. Have you had problems with bullets coming out of cases? The only handgun I ever had do it regularly was a .44 special Charter Arms Bulldog. That gun had an alloy frame and recoiled smartly. I was never able to completely stop that problen with stout reloads. Regardless of what kind and how severe a crimp I put on them. I solved that problem the old fashioned way. I sold the gun. __________________ MY QUALITY CONTROL/ERROR PREVENTION CREW ON DUTY