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Old 09-09-2010, 03:19 PM   #1
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Default H&R .38, earliest date of manufacture?

I'm looking for the earliest possible date of manufacture for the following:

H&R, .38 S&W caliber pistol; hammerless, top-break, auto-ejecting model
satin/brushed, chrome finish, barrel approximately 3-1/4 inches

on top of barrel:
Harrington & Richardson Arms Company, Worcester, Massachusetts
serial number: 168587

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Old 09-09-2010, 04:00 PM   #2
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Default Re: H&R .38, earliest date of manufacture?

Mr. Goforth is the expert on this and sure he will have you an answer.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:28 PM   #3
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Default Re: H&R .38, earliest date of manufacture?

the earliest date of manufacture for the H&R Hammerless model would be 1899 (the year this model was introduced) but this revolver serial number 168587 is a second model 5th variation manufactured between 1916 and 1924 (closer to 1916 than 1924).

H&R HAMMERLESS SECOND MODEL LARGE FRAME TOP BREAK
(Smokeless powder) ----------------------------------------1905-1941
Large Frame Double Action Hammerless Top Break revolver with double top post barrel latch; caliber and cylinder capacity, 38 S&W (5 rounds); finish is nickel or blue (optional); grips are hard rubber with a target logo at the top; standard barrel length is 3 ¼ inch, with 4, 5 and 6 inch optional; rebounding hammer; automatic cylinder stop. The cylinder was lengthen to take the 32 S&W long cartridge and the catalogs now listed the calibers as; 6 shot 32 S&W, 32 S&W Long, 32 Colt New Police cartridges. Also offered in 5 shot 38 S&W and 38 Colt New Police. Caliber marked on left side of barrel THIS MODEL WAS DESIGNED FOR SMOKELESS POWDER CARTRIDGE PRESSURES
First variation, 5 patent dates same as First model with caliber marked on left side of barrel, serial number range 45000*-55000* (estimate)-1905-Only
Second Variation, patent dates,5-14 & 8-6-89,4-2-95, 4-7-96, serial number range; 55000*- 100000*(estimate) --------------------1906-1908
Third Variation, patent dates 8-6-1889, 10-8-1895, serial number range; 100000*-120000*(estimate) -----------------------------1909-1912:
Fourth Variation, no patent dates, state in address not spelled out (MASS.), serial number range; 120000*-160000*(estimate) ------1913-1915
Fifth Variation, no patent dates state name in address is spelled out (MASSACHUETTS), serial number range; 160000*-190000*(estimate) -1916-1924
Sixth Variation , new grip frame same as Auto-Ejector, serial number range; unknown ------------------------------------------1925-1940
There is some indication production of the hammerless model stopped somewhere in the early 1920’s but it was carried in catalogs until 1941 Estimate*
After 1930 listed in Catalogs as: H&R HAMMERLESS No. 50 TOP BREAK .32 S&W LONG 6 shot and H&R HAMMERLESS No. 55 TOP BREAK .38 S&W 5 shot
VALUE: 100%=$325 60%=$110 Add 10% premium for blue finish; 20% premium 4”, 5” or 6” barrel

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Old 09-10-2010, 01:48 PM   #4
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Thank you Bill!
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Old 09-10-2010, 06:52 PM   #5
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Curious, why are you looking for the earliest possible date of manufacture rather then the date of manufacturer?
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