which gun to buy - The Firearms Forum

old semperfi · 09-25-2010, 10:26 PM

i think at times we go overboard on telling new shooters which gun to buy.i have read where taurus were (junk)or (hi point)are garbage etc.there are people out there that have these guns and would not be able to afford any others.they are proud to be in the shooting community,i think we disrespect these people in giving such a hard opinion on what they shoot.i am 59 years old and as of this date i have probably purchased at least 5-600 guns over the years of different types and manufactures.i currently only have 115 in my collection.i can tell you at one time or another i have had some type of problem with every maker.folks,try and remember that we all cant afford a colt match target or a 1911 colt 45 acp. i myself am proud that the guy shooting next to me is shooting and not on the other side of the fence......................BE NICE..............old semperfi

jacksonco · 09-25-2010, 11:54 PM

Very well said! I do not knock other peoples guns and I do not put down any manufactures of guns. There are bad examples for every gun manufacturer out there. I can afford better than a Raven or Rennings so I don't have any. If they were the only guns I could afford I would probably buy one if I was in need of one.

johnlives4christ · 09-26-2010, 12:19 AM

i sometimes tend to forget that old semperfi, i've been known to bash some brands, but you're absolutely right. thanks for the reminder

Jay · 09-26-2010, 05:24 AM

I agree, but with a bit of a difference. If you don't like a particular gun, that's your opinion, and you have every right to it. My concern is that lots of folks will say " you need to get one of these", or a "revolver is the only way to go for you"..... or you need this pistol. There is no way any of us can say any particular gun is "best" for anyone else. We have all developed our preferences by handling and shooting different firearms, and thus have time and effort invested in finding out what we prefer..... don't suggest anything different for a new shooter. The new shooters should also handle and shoot as many firearms as they can BEFORE they spend lots of money on someone else's opinion, that very well could end up being a costly mistake.

Zane71464 · 09-26-2010, 07:37 AM

Good point old semperfi!
I dont knock anything anyone shoots. If I know of an "issue" with a particular firearm,
I'll sure pass it along to help that person by not making a mistake by buying a "bad, per say, pistol". I'm sort of in that "boat" right now. I'm wanting a brand name pistol, but the $'s is an issue for me at the moment. However....If I'm going to buy what I'm wanting and been waiting to be able to afford on this particular pistol, I'll wait it out til I can afford what I want, rather then settling for something I'd rather not have.
I never put another guy's gun of choice down, ever. Look in my gun safe's, there isnt all "name brand" firearms in there, that's for sure, but very proud of what I do have for the fact it took my years to get what I have.

Juker · 02-15-2011, 02:01 PM

It's a beautiful point and right on the money. My wife is petite with smaller hands, and can't handle larger caliber pistols.

Sort of like asking the waiter, "What's good here?" when you have no idea what that guy eats for breakfast.

old 33 · 02-15-2011, 03:54 PM

Thank You ...that needed to be said...I have a small collection and its not all ''name brand'' arms. It's what could I afford to buy for the purpose intended. I bought a Rossi 2'' .357 for $329 new in box and am real happy with it as it serves its purpose. It has been fired maybe 200 rounds and is still good looking. The quality is less than expected but for the purpose it serves it is fine with me....of course the Colt Python my sister has is what I would prefer, but I dont have $800+ to shell out for one.

BUT the Jennings J-22 I was given is crap...but I was told if I have patience and put anothe 300 rounds thru it, it ''might'' quit jamming and even out...LOL

CampingJosh · 02-15-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by old 33

BUT the Jennings J-22 I was given is crap...but I was told if I have patience and put anothe 300 rounds thru it, it ''might'' quit jamming and even out...LOL

Can't continue to jam after it falls apart, huh?

Juker · 02-15-2011, 04:01 PM

I'm glad you've been fortunate with that Rossi. I bought a 5-shot Rossi .38 brand new at a gun show, must have been 1993. The cylinder wasn't properly aligned and the first time I took it the range it, well, let's just say it wouldn't fire properly. Good news is, tha guy in the gun shop loved Rossis and wanted to fix it, so I sold it for nearly twice what I paid for it.

So getting back to our story, if you asked me, I wouldn't recommend Rossi, but plenty of people would. LOL

berto64 · 02-16-2011, 03:51 AM

It is my firm belief that I should buy any and all guns of good value that I can afford!

Zane71464 · 02-16-2011, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by old 33

BUT the Jennings J-22 I was given is crap...but I was told if I have patience and put anothe 300 rounds thru it, it ''might'' quit jamming and even out...LOL

maybe we know the same person! A guy "gave me one to try to fix the jamming...I told him it could not be fixed! Period! So now it's wasting space in my junk drawer that need cleaned out again...

johnlives4christ · 02-16-2011, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Juker

I'm glad you've been fortunate with that Rossi. I bought a 5-shot Rossi .38 brand new at a gun show, must have been 1993. The cylinder wasn't properly aligned and the first time I took it the range it, well, let's just say it wouldn't fire properly. Good news is, tha guy in the gun shop loved Rossis and wanted to fix it, so I sold it for nearly twice what I paid for it.

So getting back to our story, if you asked me, I wouldn't recommend Rossi, but plenty of people would. LOL

i would not recommend taurus or rossi. the reason is not so much the quality, but the quality of service should you have problems and the availability of parts on the second hand market.

a smith, while 50% more is worth it in the long run.

i dont recommend keltec. partly because i had a bad experience with one of their pistols, partly because their is inherent flaws in the way their sub rifle is designed.

i also dont recommend marlin 60's as the comb is too high for the iron sights (and a new shooter should learn iron sights)

not to say that any of these might not serve someone well for many years. (the marlin 60 is a good gun with a reworked stock) but to say that i have had poor experiences with some and am leery of poor experiences with others due to bad feedback.

i would buy a rossi or taurus revolver for say.. 150. but... for the 250-300 a taurus sells for new... i'd go ahead and pay the extra 50 or less for a smith and wesson. i've seen new smith 642's and 637's (i believe it was the 637.) sell for 325.o0

beenponting · 03-02-2011, 12:49 AM

Think about ammo prices. sks 7.62x39 semi auto. ammo is still cheap, but you can waste alot. nagant 7.62x54 bolt action. ammo is cheap, gun is very accurate very little waste. both are fun to shoot.

Zane71464 · 03-02-2011, 02:09 AM

Good point of the OT and well said. I'm still working on getting a 1911 but I'm not going to "settle" on what I'll end up later wishing I could or would have got. Saving for now and in time, I'll have exactly what I want and will have it for life.

Jay · 03-02-2011, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by johnlives4christ

i would not recommend taurus or rossi. the reason is not so much the quality, but the quality of service should you have problems and the availability of parts on the second hand market.

I own one Taurus, a .22 revolver I use in teaching classes. I lost a screw out of the rear sight, called Taurus, and they sent me a whole new rear sight. I received the sight within 48 hours of my call. I can't fault that kind of service, but it's the only time I've ever dealt with Taurus.

old 33 · 03-02-2011, 08:46 AM

the jennings i have is an excellent paperweight.....lol

ozo · 03-02-2011, 09:30 AM

Welcome to TFF beenponting......

I have 7 Ferrarris, 8 Lamborghini's, 9 Bentley's, and a Dodge dually
but I don't drive, so I would not recommend these to anyone.

indevildog · 03-02-2011, 09:48 AM

hello all new here,saw some talk about the enfeild mk4 308 i have one bought it at the 1500 still had burrs in rifling had to soak it for a while to get the grease out no problems I bought some 308 and 762 ,they do shoot different im going to scope it any good mounts out there?

ozo · 03-02-2011, 10:01 AM

Welcome to TFF indevildog
You over near Pimento somewhere??
I had a good friend there......

ozo · 03-02-2011, 10:08 AM

http://www.gunaccessories.com/Milita...ield/index.asp

No telling how many mounts there are available, but a friend has these on his.
To my knowledge the are solid, and he shoots alot.
P.S. they are made in the USA !!!!!!
HOORAH !!

Bushmaster1313 · 03-03-2011, 08:37 PM

A low priced gun that is safe to shoot is an excellent gun

noslolo · 03-03-2011, 11:14 PM

Well put old semperfi! My first carry gun was a Firestar m-40. I carried it for years without an issue. Buy what you can, and upgrade from there. My personal feelings are "Everyone is welcome here".

wingspar · 03-09-2011, 09:55 AM

I get tired of people saying this gun is junk and that gun is junk, and they never seem to be able to tell why they feel it is junk. They just like to jump on the “junk bandwagon”. Those kind of posts are not constructive, and never help the OP anyway. I own a gun that probably 50% of people that post about it call it junk, and the gun works well for me. It’s had its problems, but it one reads the manual, and feeds and treats the gun properly, it will make the owner happy. There are some guns and brands that people just love to bash, and those people do nothing to really help the OP, and actually might turn the OP off on a gun they would really like. I tend to stay out of those kinds of threads.

American Leader · 03-09-2011, 11:01 AM

Jay, I too have had excellent service out of Taurus, only asked once, but overnight missing part no questions asked! I have 7 Taurus and they all serve me well. On the main topic I agree with berto64, I buy as many as I can, best quality I can afford at the time and love everyone! My biggest problem is I have gotten rid of two guns in my life (my gun life is 50/ 62-12), and I still have remorse over letting them go. I miss them terrible and have come to the conclusion never to let that happen again! I don't know about you guy's, but I get very attached.

Jay · 03-09-2011, 12:51 PM

I'm not trying to be condescending... but ... ya gotta remember, this is the internet. If I were to say that my Colt Python is junk, because it's not accurate, it might just be that I can't shoot. I wouldn't mean that YOUR Python is junk, so don't take it that way. If I said, now, Bubba, your Python is junk, that's a different story. When I read a negative post about a certain firearm, I don't take it to mean MY firearm.... Everyone has an opinion, and they don't necessarily have to validate it... one would think that folks would have a basis for their opinion, but ya just never know.

Some folks just like to agitate, or fish for a wild response...... relax.

09-25-2010, 10:26 PM	#1
old semperfi Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: i live in southern indiana,old country boy at heart Posts: 1,506	which gun to buy i think at times we go overboard on telling new shooters which gun to buy.i have read where taurus were (junk)or (hi point)are garbage etc.there are people out there that have these guns and would not be able to afford any others.they are proud to be in the shooting community,i think we disrespect these people in giving such a hard opinion on what they shoot.i am 59 years old and as of this date i have probably purchased at least 5-600 guns over the years of different types and manufactures.i currently only have 115 in my collection.i can tell you at one time or another i have had some type of problem with every maker.folks,try and remember that we all cant afford a colt match target or a 1911 colt 45 acp. i myself am proud that the guy shooting next to me is shooting and not on the other side of the fence......................BE NICE..............old semperfi -->

09-25-2010, 11:54 PM	#2
jacksonco Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jackson County West Virginia Posts: 2,237	Re: which gun to buy Very well said! I do not knock other peoples guns and I do not put down any manufactures of guns. There are bad examples for every gun manufacturer out there. I can afford better than a Raven or Rennings so I don't have any. If they were the only guns I could afford I would probably buy one if I was in need of one.

09-26-2010, 12:19 AM	#3
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: which gun to buy i sometimes tend to forget that old semperfi, i've been known to bash some brands, but you're absolutely right. thanks for the reminder

09-26-2010, 05:24 AM	#4
Jay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,286	Re: which gun to buy I agree, but with a bit of a difference. If you don't like a particular gun, that's your opinion, and you have every right to it. My concern is that lots of folks will say " you need to get one of *these", or a "revolver is the only way to go for you"..... or you need this* pistol. There is no way any of us can say any particular gun is "best" for anyone else. We have all developed our preferences by handling and shooting different firearms, and thus have time and effort invested in finding out what we prefer..... don't suggest anything different for a new shooter. The new shooters should also handle and shoot as many firearms as they can BEFORE they spend lots of money on someone else's opinion, that very well could end up being a costly mistake. __________________ "For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected cannot taste." "USMC 8652, 2531, RVN Jun '67, - May 69"

09-26-2010, 07:37 AM	#5
Zane71464 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Ohio NRA Member Contributor Posts: 5,372	Re: which gun to buy Good point old semperfi! I dont knock anything anyone shoots. If I know of an "issue" with a particular firearm, I'll sure pass it along to help that person by not making a mistake by buying a "bad, per say, pistol". I'm sort of in that "boat" right now. I'm wanting a brand name pistol, but the $'s is an issue for me at the moment. However....If I'm going to buy what I'm wanting and been waiting to be able to afford on this particular pistol, I'll wait it out til I can afford what I want, rather then settling for something I'd rather not have. I never put another guy's gun of choice down, ever. Look in my gun safe's, there isnt all "name brand" firearms in there, that's for sure, but very proud of what I do have for the fact it took my years to get what I have. __________________ Two Words; "Simple Man", song by Charlie Daniels sums up my thoughts on a "few things"!

02-15-2011, 02:01 PM	#6
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: which gun to buy It's a beautiful point and right on the money. My wife is petite with smaller hands, and can't handle larger caliber pistols. Sort of like asking the waiter, "What's good here?" when you have no idea what that guy eats for breakfast. __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

02-15-2011, 03:54 PM	#7
old 33 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: midwest Posts: 60	Re: which gun to buy Thank You ...that needed to be said...I have a small collection and its not all ''name brand'' arms. It's what could I afford to buy for the purpose intended. I bought a Rossi 2'' .357 for $329 new in box and am real happy with it as it serves its purpose. It has been fired maybe 200 rounds and is still good looking. The quality is less than expected but for the purpose it serves it is fine with me....of course the Colt Python my sister has is what I would prefer, but I dont have $800+ to shell out for one. BUT the Jennings J-22 I was given is crap...but I was told if I have patience and put anothe 300 rounds thru it, it ''might'' quit jamming and even out...LOL __________________ "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson

02-15-2011, 04:01 PM	#9
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: which gun to buy I'm glad you've been fortunate with that Rossi. I bought a 5-shot Rossi .38 brand new at a gun show, must have been 1993. The cylinder wasn't properly aligned and the first time I took it the range it, well, let's just say it wouldn't fire properly. Good news is, tha guy in the gun shop loved Rossis and wanted to fix it, so I sold it for nearly twice what I paid for it. So getting back to our story, if you asked me, I wouldn't recommend Rossi, but plenty of people would. LOL __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

02-16-2011, 03:51 AM	#10
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,388	Re: which gun to buy It is my firm belief that I should buy any and all guns of good value that I can afford! __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God.

03-02-2011, 12:49 AM	#13
beenponting Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1	Re: which gun to buy Think about ammo prices. sks 7.62x39 semi auto. ammo is still cheap, but you can waste alot. nagant 7.62x54 bolt action. ammo is cheap, gun is very accurate very little waste. both are fun to shoot.

03-02-2011, 02:09 AM	#14
Zane71464 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Ohio NRA Member Contributor Posts: 5,372	Re: which gun to buy Good point of the OT and well said. I'm still working on getting a 1911 but I'm not going to "settle" on what I'll end up later wishing I could or would have got. Saving for now and in time, I'll have exactly what I want and will have it for life. __________________ Two Words; "Simple Man", song by Charlie Daniels sums up my thoughts on a "few things"!

03-02-2011, 08:46 AM	#16
old 33 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: midwest Posts: 60	Re: which gun to buy the jennings i have is an excellent paperweight.....lol __________________ "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson

03-02-2011, 09:30 AM	#17
ozo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 2,770	Re: which gun to buy Welcome to TFF beenponting...... I have 7 Ferrarris, 8 Lamborghini's, 9 Bentley's, and a Dodge dually but I don't drive, so I would not recommend these to anyone. __________________ http://www.nranews.com/#/nranews, "ozo. you're off your rocker sir." -johnlives4christ http://www.prisonplanet.com/ -America,Bless GOD-

03-02-2011, 09:48 AM	#18
indevildog Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: vigo county Posts: 3	Re: which gun to buy hello all new here,saw some talk about the enfeild mk4 308 i have one bought it at the 1500 still had burrs in rifling had to soak it for a while to get the grease out no problems I bought some 308 and 762 ,they do shoot different im going to scope it any good mounts out there?

03-02-2011, 10:01 AM	#19
ozo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 2,770	Re: which gun to buy Welcome to TFF indevildog You over near Pimento somewhere?? I had a good friend there...... __________________ http://www.nranews.com/#/nranews, "ozo. you're off your rocker sir." -johnlives4christ http://www.prisonplanet.com/ -America,Bless GOD-

03-02-2011, 10:08 AM	#20
ozo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 2,770	Re: which gun to buy http://www.gunaccessories.com/Milita...ield/index.asp No telling how many mounts there are available, but a friend has these on his. To my knowledge the are solid, and he shoots alot. P.S. they are made in the USA !!!!!! HOORAH !! __________________ http://www.nranews.com/#/nranews, "ozo. you're off your rocker sir." -johnlives4christ http://www.prisonplanet.com/ -America,Bless GOD- Last edited by ozo; 03-02-2011 at 10:13 AM..

03-03-2011, 08:37 PM	#21
Bushmaster1313 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 230	Re: which gun to buy A low priced gun that is safe to shoot is an excellent gun

03-03-2011, 11:14 PM	#22
noslolo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Johnstown PA Posts: 1,558	Re: which gun to buy Well put old semperfi! My first carry gun was a Firestar m-40. I carried it for years without an issue. Buy what you can, and upgrade from there. My personal feelings are "Everyone is welcome here". __________________ I'm a heck of a "obesito illegitimo"

03-09-2011, 09:55 AM	#23
wingspar V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 479	Re: which gun to buy I get tired of people saying this gun is junk and that gun is junk, and they never seem to be able to tell why they feel it is junk. They just like to jump on the “junk bandwagon”. Those kind of posts are not constructive, and never help the OP anyway. I own a gun that probably 50% of people that post about it call it junk, and the gun works well for me. It’s had its problems, but it one reads the manual, and feeds and treats the gun properly, it will make the owner happy. There are some guns and brands that people just love to bash, and those people do nothing to really help the OP, and actually might turn the OP off on a gun they would really like. I tend to stay out of those kinds of threads. __________________ Gary Will Fly for Food

03-09-2011, 11:01 AM	#24
American Leader Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,630	Re: which gun to buy Jay, I too have had excellent service out of Taurus, only asked once, but overnight missing part no questions asked! I have 7 Taurus and they all serve me well. On the main topic I agree with berto64, I buy as many as I can, best quality I can afford at the time and love everyone! My biggest problem is I have gotten rid of two guns in my life (my gun life is 50/ 62-12), and I still have remorse over letting them go. I miss them terrible and have come to the conclusion never to let that happen again! I don't know about you guy's, but I get very attached.

03-09-2011, 12:51 PM	#25
Jay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,286	Re: which gun to buy I'm not trying to be condescending... but ... ya gotta remember, this is the internet. If I were to say that my Colt Python is junk, because it's not accurate, it might just be that I can't shoot. I wouldn't mean that YOUR Python is junk, so don't take it that way. If I said, now, Bubba, your Python is junk, that's a different story. When I read a negative post about a certain firearm, I don't take it to mean MY firearm.... Everyone has an opinion, and they don't necessarily have to validate it... one would think that folks would have a basis for their opinion, but ya just never know. Some folks just like to agitate, or fish for a wild response...... relax. __________________ "For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected cannot taste." "USMC 8652, 2531, RVN Jun '67, - May 69"