House guns

[carver]

Originally Posted by Boris

I got two kids and mine is right beside me too in a Fobus. Lastnight there was a home invasion, a big shootout and several people on the loose still being looked for. The news told everyone to lock doors (pretty stupid if the news needs to tell you that) and not answer your doors. Never advised to makesure your pistols and shotguns were loaded and nearby....

I been interested in a 44spcl for a while. What ya got? A hiker killed a 400 pound black bear with one in my area with a lead SWC. Fired from a 3" barrel. If it can drop a bear that big then it has got to be a pretty serious cartridge...

What I have right now is the Charter Arms Bull Dog, DAO. I have owned Bull Dogs for over 30 years, and they do a fine job. Think Son of Sam, that's what he carried. The .44 spcl is a 240gr bullet at 800-900 fps, depending on what you buy, if you can find anything. This is about the same as a .45ACP. You won't be able to run down to Wally World, or Accadamy to get get ammo for this gun, they don't carry it. I reload my own, but carry CorBon's in the gun for SD. What I am looking for is a Smith chamberd in 44spcl, with a 4" barrel. No one makes the .44spcl at this moment in time except for Charter Arms. So the Smith will have to be a used gun.

[Boris]

Originally Posted by carver

What I have right now is the Charter Arms Bull Dog, DAO. I have owned Bull Dogs for over 30 years, and they do a fine job. Think Son of Sam, that's what he carried. The .44 spcl is a 240gr bullet at 800-900 fps, depending on what you buy, if you can find anything. This is about the same as a .45ACP. You won't be able to run down to Wally World, or Accadamy to get get ammo for this gun, they don't carry it. I reload my own, but carry CorBon's in the gun for SD. What I am looking for is a Smith chamberd in 44spcl, with a 4" barrel. No one makes the .44spcl at this moment in time except for Charter Arms. So the Smith will have to be a used gun.

Taurus makes a 2" Ti 44spcl right now. I would rather get a bull dog though.

My main trail, home and carry gun is in 45GAP and ammo is not too hard to find for it, contrary to what some would tell you. You just need to look. 44spcl is still easy to find for those that look.

Anytime I want hard to find ammo and do not want to pay an arm and a leg I go to Reeds. It is the best quality ammo and if I ever do get a 44spcl I will order my ammo from them.

Wait until you see the prices for 50 rounds. This is better than any of the big guys ammo too...

http://shop.reedsammo.com/category.sc?categoryId=74


enjoy..

[fleetwood1976]

Our man eating dog is proving to be pretty effective.

[Boris]

Originally Posted by fleetwood1976

Our man eating dog is proving to be pretty effective.

Dogs are a great early warning system. They will not stop a determined person though.

Best friend shot a man eating pitbull that wanted to munch on his mutt lap dog. One round of 380 reduced it to a pile of flesh, steaming from a hole in the head. Wifes grandmother had a feral dog on her farm that would not let her out of her car one day. I lived around the corner and mounted up. Grabbed the 9mm and the dog was not happy to see me. It was reduced quickly. It would not leave the cars door side. It Growled, snipped, then died after one 9mm round and another to the head to make sure.

Dog barks, pop pop, dog squeels, now what? No house gun? Poochie does a fine job........

[lucky-gunner]

I carry a G23 and 642 as my CC weapons. My home defense rig is an XDM 40. I prefer the full sized handgun and the increase capacity over just using the G23. My wife prefers the G23 so she would probably have it if we have a break in. Maybe I'm on the paranoid side but we have a set of body armor for each of us too. If it comes down to a fire fight I want to give myself as many advantages as possible.

While my dog is decent sized (boxer). I only expect her to give me a warning and to tie up an intruder long enough to get armed and call the police.

[Zane71464]

Originally Posted by fleetwood1976

Our man eating dog is proving to be pretty effective.

My man eating dog (Rott) came up missing last month and have never seen anything of her since. Then 2 weeks ago, someone came along and tore down our home security signs, sort of like "leaving their calling card". The security sign's are replaceable and have been, but my dog of 7yrs cannot.
EDIT: My neighbors dog came down sick about the time mine came up missing and was sick for several weeks. Talk about COWARDS...when, not "if" they get caught, my dog will not be forgotten.

[johnlives4christ]

body armor is a good idea lucky gunner. never know what the situation would be. you might not have time to put it on... but then again... you might have plenty of time to put it on so ya might as well have it handy.

[rvehock]

House Gun, Kel-Tec PF-9:


Pocket Carry, Kel-Tec P-32:

[Mosin_Nagant_Fan]

Handgun: .38spl revolver in the dresser drawer and 9mm pistol in the cabinet (Formally a headboard/cubby-hole) next to my bed.

[johnlives4christ]

rvehock

i've never seen such a holster for the kel tec. whats the name on that rascal and where did you get it?

[Bill DeShivs]

It's the "10 years/$10,000 model."
Pocket holsters that allow the gun to be fired from them are regulated by the NFA.

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by Boris

Dogs are a great early warning system. They will not stop a determined person though.

A pet will not stop a determined person. A well trained dog or two can do amazing things. But very few people have the self-discipline to continuously train a dog as it needs to effective. Most of us just have barking alarm systems.

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by Bill DeShivs

It's the "10 years/$10,000 model."
Pocket holsters that allow the gun to be fired from them are regulated by the NFA.

The manufacturer of these got specific approval from ATF on these. It does not conceal the pistol (entire slide is visible), so it's perfectly legal without the tax stamp.

Here is the manufacturer's documentation of this: http://www.gunnersecurity.com/Images/atf.png

[johnlives4christ]

what is the name of this holster? i couldnt find it under 10 years/$10000.

[rvehock]

http://www.concealmentconcepts.com/pocketpal.htm
It is actually considered a modified grip, and therefore, it does not fall into the AOW category.
Complies with ATF regulations on wallet holsters

Originally Posted by johnlives4christ

rvehock

i've never seen such a holster for the kel tec. whats the name on that rascal and where did you get it?

[Bill DeShivs]

I stand corrected!

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by Bill DeShivs

I stand corrected!

Yeah, it's hard to know what ATF is going to decide, so I wouldn't make for myself an identical item. If I wanted one of these, I would buy it from someone who had on hand a letter from ATF. It's way too close for my comfort level.

[1911 man]

i keep a springer full size for a house gun and carry a springer lightweight champion

[johnlives4christ]

Originally Posted by CampingJosh

Yeah, it's hard to know what ATF is going to decide, so I wouldn't make for myself an identical item. If I wanted one of these, I would buy it from someone who had on hand a letter from ATF. It's way too close for my comfort level.

i got a notion to make me one of them rascals but i'll make an exact duplicate. i'll take my chances on it... if i run into trouble i reckon yall will hear about the bloodbath

[Inthewind1976]

Usually my traveling companion is a S&W 37 but in the house the bedroom choices are a 1911 and a "coach gun" with 00. The Missuz housegun is a Star BM.

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by twangy

I handled killer German Shephards for the Army. Dogs are a liability when you are not on leash with them, or they are not solidly locked into a kennel. Unlike a gun, they are mobile by themselves, and they have minds of their own. If they get out, after chewing up some burglar, and then eat up they neighbor's little girl, you're going to prison, probably for life, and you deserve every bit of it, too.

First, thank you for your service.

Second, not every trained dog is a killer. I have some personal experience with a very large service dog training kennel, and I know quite well what you can train a dog to do.
Most police dogs won't kill a person. They don't attack everyone they see. They aren't tigers. On command, they will run down and tackle a particular person. They will then do their best to keep this person pinned face-down on the ground (which they do very effectively).

I have numerous times gone jogging with a police dog. Until it heard the appropriate command, that dog was as friendly as any, and he enjoyed the exercise of running next to us (off leash) in a well-populated area without any thought of leaving our side. But as soon as his handler said a particular phrase, this dog had a mission, and he effectively carried that mission out.

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by twangy

Leaving loaded guns just lying around is stupid in the extreme. Either you wear it, or it belongs in a locked vault.

It's quite easy to get into my house. I have glass windows, and there are rocks in my yard. Anyone over about 3 years old can "add the two together" and create an opening into my house.
I don't always keep all my firearms locked up. I don't always keep my crossbow, or my kitchen knives, or my softball bat, or my golf clubs locked up, either. I don't keep my truck keys hidden away in a vault. All of these items have great potential to cause serious injury or death when misused.

I cannot and will not pretend to take responsibility for other people's misuse while they are illegally inside my home. When kids are coming over, sure, I put them all away in the safe.

Do not call me stupid because I choose to leave potentially dangerous items accessible to anyone inside my house. I'm quite certain you do the same thing, whether you see it or not.

[Tony Mig]

Disregarding what the brand new member has to say..........I have not locked up my house gun, ever. It's of absolute no use to you when someone is breaking into your house in the middle of the night, and you have a key to find and fumble with in the dark, or a combination to remember at a moment when time is off the essence.
My children were raised to not touch them, they were kept in places that were out of sight, but easy for me to access. When it was a revolver, all 6 were loaded, when it was a 1911, the chamber was left empty, but there was a full magazine in the handle.
When family with small children came to visit, the bedroom door was closed, and access to our bedroom denied to anyone but my wife and myself, but there was a loaded gun in there all the time, my wife and I knew where it was, but no one else did....

There are safe and responsible ways to keep a gun in the house for home protection without having them under lock and key. It doesn't make anyone dangerous or stupid so long as they are intelligent about how they keep it, where they keep it, who knows about it, and who has access to it.......

To answer the original post here....we do not as yet have CCW in New Jersey, so I don't have a carry weapon, but my house is protected with a 1911 at the moment, that may soon change to a 4" GP-100.....

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by Tony Mig

To answer the original post here....we do not as yet have CCW in New Jersey, so I don't have a carry weapon, but my house is protected with a 1911 at the moment, that may soon change to a 4" GP-100.....

I hope you're adding to the 1911, not getting rid of it in favor of the GP-100. I wouldn't wish the loss of a fine firearm on anyone.

[ghrit]

Originally Posted by Tony Mig

------------- but my house is protected with a 1911 at the moment, that may soon change to a 4" GP-100.....

Both in my place. One for if someone wakes me up, one for all other occasions. Nor are they locked up, that just makes them harder to access on need, and no, I don't carry inside since one or the other is mere steps away (the house isn't all that big.) When I leave the property, one goes with me, sorta depending on my mood. And yes, I practice with both.