Hi Point vs. 1911 - Page 2 - The Firearms Forum

Shooter45 · 10-14-2010, 01:40 PM

er, ok. I was hoping you would have the answer. Hi point has come a long way since they started production years ago. They go bang and don't fly apart anymore. I'll wait for them to show up at the local IPSC or Bullseye match and see for myself if the Hi Point will indeed outshoot a Springfield loaded model.

I'm sure Hogger will get a chance to see for himself but the person who made that comment has been sniffing glue.

Oh, and just for the record, I have shot the Hi Point .45 and 9mm.

.45 acp nut · 10-15-2010, 11:02 PM

[/QUOTE]In what ways, other than price and warranty, is a Hi Point as good as a Loaded Springfield?[/QUOTE]

As a paper weight.

Clipper · 10-16-2010, 10:24 AM

One of my close friends bought a Hi Point .45 due to strained finances, he bought an extra magazine, fired about 50 rounds thru it, but it was a major pain because of the magazines. Weak springs in the mags caused lots of feed problems so he traded that black brick for a nice American Classic COMMANDER, and couldn't be happier. Yep, the Hi Point did shoot, but not at all well.

DogRanger · 10-16-2010, 01:23 PM

Can't belive this has gone to two pages....

3/2 STA SS · 10-16-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DogRanger

Can't belive this has gone to two pages....

I DO-people love cheap guns

Double D · 10-16-2010, 03:06 PM

I laugh when I see people trash hi-points. Not everyone can afford a nice pistol and opt for the hi-point because of its affordability. Would it be my first choice? No. But I wouldnt rule it out either. I have sold several of them in my shop and I continue to stock them. There are some financially strapped people these days wanting to protect their family. They are barely able to buy grocerys and cant spend much. The high point offers the most affordable and pretty reliable pistol. My hat is off to them. They have never to my knowledge boasted to be comparable to a 1911. But the bullet shot from one would feel the same to the bad guy.

thomas44 · 10-16-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

I laugh when I see people trash hi-points. Not everyone can afford a nice pistol and opt for the hi-point because of its affordability. Would it be my first choice? No. But I wouldnt rule it out either. I have sold several of them in my shop and I continue to stock them. There are some financially strapped people these days wanting to protect their family. They are barely able to buy grocerys and cant spend much. The high point offers the most affordable and pretty reliable pistol. My hat is off to them. They have never to my knowledge boasted to be comparable to a 1911. But the bullet shot from one would feel the same to the bad guy.

I guess I'd go along with that. Those Hi Point carbines look kinda like the rifles they carried in the original Planet of the Apes movie.

Big ugly · 10-16-2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Clipper

One of my close friends bought a Hi Point .45 due to strained finances, he bought an extra magazine, fired about 50 rounds thru it, but it was a major pain because of the magazines. Weak springs in the mags caused lots of feed problems so he traded that black brick for a nice American Classic COMMANDER, and couldn't be happier. Yep, the Hi Point did shoot, but not at all well.

He should have sent it back to HP and had them fix it. Best warrenty on the market.

Toolmanroberts · 10-16-2010, 09:16 PM

I bought a Hi-Point 9mm at a garage sale at a very resonable price and yes it was uglier than sin but it did go bang without exeption every time. As for accuracy I never bought it for that. As for it in competion only time will tell.

MagnumFan · 10-17-2010, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Toolmanroberts

I bought a Hi-Point 9mm at a garage sale at a very resonable price and yes it was uglier than sin but it did go bang without exeption every time. As for accuracy I never bought it for that. As for it in competion only time will tell.

That's good, you can expect basketball size groups.

Jay · 10-17-2010, 07:05 AM

Buying guns is like buying shoes.... nobody has to like what shoes/guns I care to buy..... and I don't really care one way or another what shoes/guns anyone else wears.

Fer cryin' out loud, be glad we have a choice, and can pretty much buy what we want/like......

by the way, I've never fired a Hi-Point, of any description..... but I am partial to 1911's..... but that's just me.

JoeV · 10-17-2010, 07:46 AM

ROFLMAO. This thread is so reminiscent of what I used to get when I started fly fishing, and sought help on forums. There were always the people with unlimited budgets who advised me to save my money to buy only the very best Sage or Winston or custom built Italian Gatti fly rod to insure my success. Then one day I was at an event in Grayling, Michigan where an esteemed fly casting instructor removed his fly rod from its case, strung the line through the eyes, and proceeded to demonstrate the basic casting technique, but with one twist...he had the entire 85' of fly line in the air with what appeared to be little to no effort. While he did some fancy stuff with the line and rod, the rumblings through the crowd were about which of the top fly rods he had that could perform so well, and which of the newest 3M fly lines he was using. At the end of the demonstration he announced what he was using and produced the packaging to verify the price...it was a Scientific Angler's entry level 5-6wt fly rod combo pack, factory spooled with the least expensive 3M fly line. Total price was $39.95 from Wal-Mart for the rod, reel, line, backing, leader, tippet and an assortment of panfish flies.

He needed to prove that while equipment could help make you a better caster, there was no substitute for practice, practice, practice to make you a caster capable of casting even the least costly equipment. He was also an advocate of outfitting a person based on THEIR budget, not his budget, so they could begin to enjoy the hobby. Better equipment will find its way into their arsenal in its own time as the hobbyist progresses in skill and knowledge. I like to think the same philosophy should be applied when introducing someone to the shooting sports. Take them right where they are today, and time and mentoring will take care of the rest.

FWIW, after 5 long guns and as many pistols, I just bought a Hi-Point 9mm Carbine. It's not quite a tack driver, but it's an awful lot of fun on a cheap budget.

hogger129 · 10-17-2010, 01:08 PM

I hear their carbines are much better than their pistols.

MagnumFan · 10-18-2010, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by hogger129

I hear their carbines are much better than their pistols.

That's still not saying much.

oscarmayer · 10-18-2010, 06:42 AM

please MagnumFan share with us your experiences with the hi-point, i love to learn and have found out i'm never to old or set in my ways to learn and change my opinion. i've witnessed only positive results dealing with the few hi-powers i've run across but i'm sure that doesn't mean they all are reliable. the one at my local range as a rental that has had 5000 + rounds through it with only a cleaning once in a blue moon might be a fluke. yes it was all hard ball so i can't comment on if it feeds all things 45 , nor can i explain countless gun reviews all giving it 4 out of 5 stars in the reliability department, but perhaps you've had differing experiences , please share so we can all learn, i'd hate to think you were commenting on it because it's not pretty or expensive

msujmccorm · 10-18-2010, 07:11 AM

I have shot both the carbine and the pistol. Granted I don't shoot for a living but neither one have given any problems other than the magazine spring. The company promptly sent replacement magazines. It's amazes me that some people make negative comments that seem to be based on opinions not experience. I believe when someone asks here for advice or opinions the responses should be based on real experiences.

Jay · 10-18-2010, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by msujmccorm

I believe when someone asks here for advice or opinions the responses should be based on real experiences.

That would be nice, but unfortunately, on the internet, you'll find that some folks don't have any real experiences.... but that fact doesn't prevent them from having opinions that you're supposed to take as gospel.

DogRanger · 10-18-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

I laugh when I see people trash hi-points. Not everyone can afford a nice pistol and opt for the hi-point because of its affordability. Would it be my first choice? No. But I wouldnt rule it out either. I have sold several of them in my shop and I continue to stock them. There are some financially strapped people these days wanting to protect their family. They are barely able to buy grocerys and cant spend much. The high point offers the most affordable and pretty reliable pistol. My hat is off to them. They have never to my knowledge boasted to be comparable to a 1911. But the bullet shot from one would feel the same to the bad guy.

I wasn't trashing Hi-Points, I own a 995ts carbine and its a good shooter and have been tempted to buy one of the 9mm pistols. A 1911 is a 1911 and a hi-point is a hipoint, if it goes bang when you pull the trigger thats good..

3/2 STA SS · 10-18-2010, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DogRanger

I wasn't trashing Hi-Points, I own a 995ts carbine and its a good shooter and have been tempted to buy one of the 9mm pistols. A 1911 is a 1911 and a hi-point is a hipoint, if it goes bang when you pull the trigger thats good..

Two of the finest of my cities dirtbags were done in by hi-points (9mm)

and ball ammo. Ball ammo will follow the bone right to the heart like a roadmap.

MagnumFan · 10-19-2010, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeV

ROFLMAO. This thread is so reminiscent of what I used to get when I started fly fishing, and sought help on forums. There were always the people with unlimited budgets who advised me to save my money to buy only the very best Sage or Winston or custom built Italian Gatti fly rod to insure my success. Then one day I was at an event in Grayling, Michigan where an esteemed fly casting instructor removed his fly rod from its case, strung the line through the eyes, and proceeded to demonstrate the basic casting technique, but with one twist...he had the entire 85' of fly line in the air with what appeared to be little to no effort. While he did some fancy stuff with the line and rod, the rumblings through the crowd were about which of the top fly rods he had that could perform so well, and which of the newest 3M fly lines he was using. At the end of the demonstration he announced what he was using and produced the packaging to verify the price...it was a Scientific Angler's entry level 5-6wt fly rod combo pack, factory spooled with the least expensive 3M fly line. Total price was $39.95 from Wal-Mart for the rod, reel, line, backing, leader, tippet and an assortment of panfish flies.

He needed to prove that while equipment could help make you a better caster, there was no substitute for practice, practice, practice to make you a caster capable of casting even the least costly equipment. He was also an advocate of outfitting a person based on THEIR budget, not his budget, so they could begin to enjoy the hobby. Better equipment will find its way into their arsenal in its own time as the hobbyist progresses in skill and knowledge. I like to think the same philosophy should be applied when introducing someone to the shooting sports. Take them right where they are today, and time and mentoring will take care of the rest.

FWIW, after 5 long guns and as many pistols, I just bought a Hi-Point 9mm Carbine. It's not quite a tack driver, but it's an awful lot of fun on a cheap budget.

Post a picture of a 25 yard group with a "Hi Point" pistol, I need a good laugh.

oscarmayer · 10-19-2010, 07:59 AM

When I found out I would be evaluating Hi-Point pistols, I posted a question concerning them on a shooter's Internet forum I use on a regular basis. I received a total of 18 responses from persons who either owned or knew someone who owned a Hi-Point pistol. Of them, 17 were completely positive. Now, I know this is hardly a scientific survey, but I still found the responses most enlightening.

When it came time to conduct my own shooting evaluation of the Hi-Point pistols, my father and I went to my gun club. Pacing off 15 yards, I set up a series of Birchwood/Casey Shoot-N-C targets, and we proceeded to fire three five-shot groups with each ammunition load.

We found the two pistols more accurate than either of us had at first assumed; most of our groups were in the sub-three-inch range. With the .45-caliber Hi-Point Model JHP, honorable mention goes to Winchester's 185-grain Silvertip load, which consistently printed the tightest groups, while the .40-caliber Model JCP showed a definite preference for Remington 155-grain JHP loads.
The vast majority of the rounds I sent downrange found their way to the high scoring rings of their respective targets. In fact, close examination of the targets showed that only two rounds were outside the X- or 10-ring with each pistol. You can say that the Hi-Point pistols are inexpensive, but don't ever say they don't shoot. They shoot darn well!....... NOT MY WORDS, this was taken from SHOOTING TIMES GUN REVIEW OF A COUPLE HI-POINTS

MagnumFan · 10-19-2010, 08:16 AM

ROTFLMFAO !!!!

I think you must have been reading "High Times"

oscarmayer · 10-19-2010, 08:43 AM

very intelligent reply..... NOT , and while you're having fun talking non-sense, keep in mind you were asked to give real life expiences with hi-points . do you have something to share or is your opinion based on what ever muddled concept you have rattleing around in your head. or are you as i put it in a prior post a gun snob..... i could continue to show countless reviews share real life examples but it's a battle of wits and i don't do battle with the unarmed , witless and clueless is no way to go through life

MagnumFan · 10-19-2010, 08:49 AM

My Cousin has one, and it is junk.

And before you tell me how great their customer service is, I'll tell you why...

They get plenty of practice.

oscarmayer · 10-19-2010, 09:00 AM

that doesn't discount the thousands of happy owners of hi-points..... i once bought a colt delta elite 10mm it turned out to be junk, the frame cracked after 200 rounds. i'm i to assume all colts are junk? my point to all this being is the hi-point as inexpensive as it is and as ugly as it is and yes they handle like a brick , they have there place, they offer the poor& have nots a tool to provide protection to themselves and their loved ones without skipping a month of rent in order to afford a gun....my opinion matters very little this is the opinion of gun writters in various magazines that have tested these things,

10-14-2010, 01:40 PM	#26
Shooter45 Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Contributor Posts: 8,753	Re: Hi Point vs. 1911 er, ok. I was hoping you would have the answer. Hi point has come a long way since they started production years ago. They go bang and don't fly apart anymore. I'll wait for them to show up at the local IPSC or Bullseye match and see for myself if the Hi Point will indeed outshoot a Springfield loaded model. I'm sure Hogger will get a chance to see for himself but the person who made that comment has been sniffing glue. Oh, and just for the record, I have shot the Hi Point .45 and 9mm.

10-15-2010, 11:02 PM	#27
.45 acp nut Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mid Willamette Valley, Oregon Posts: 15	Re: Hi Point vs. 1911 [/QUOTE]In what ways, other than price and warranty, is a Hi Point as good as a Loaded Springfield?[/QUOTE] As a paper weight. __________________ Semper Fi ... Molon Labe Last edited by .45 acp nut; 10-15-2010 at 11:04 PM..

10-16-2010, 10:24 AM	#28
Clipper V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Amarillo, TX Posts: 381	Re: Hi Point vs. 1911 One of my close friends bought a Hi Point .45 due to strained finances, he bought an extra magazine, fired about 50 rounds thru it, but it was a major pain because of the magazines. Weak springs in the mags caused lots of feed problems so he traded that black brick for a nice American Classic COMMANDER, and couldn't be happier. Yep, the Hi Point did shoot, but not at all well.

10-16-2010, 01:23 PM	#29
DogRanger Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 39	Re: Hi Point vs. 1911 Can't belive this has gone to two pages....

10-16-2010, 03:06 PM	#31
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,075	Re: Hi Point vs. 1911 I laugh when I see people trash hi-points. Not everyone can afford a nice pistol and opt for the hi-point because of its affordability. Would it be my first choice? No. But I wouldnt rule it out either. I have sold several of them in my shop and I continue to stock them. There are some financially strapped people these days wanting to protect their family. They are barely able to buy grocerys and cant spend much. The high point offers the most affordable and pretty reliable pistol. My hat is off to them. They have never to my knowledge boasted to be comparable to a 1911. But the bullet shot from one would feel the same to the bad guy. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

10-16-2010, 09:16 PM	#34
Toolmanroberts V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 82	Re: Hi Point vs. 1911 I bought a Hi-Point 9mm at a garage sale at a very resonable price and yes it was uglier than sin but it did go bang without exeption every time. As for accuracy I never bought it for that. As for it in competion only time will tell.

10-17-2010, 07:05 AM	#36
Jay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,286	Re: Hi Point vs. 1911 Buying guns is like buying shoes.... nobody has to like what shoes/guns I care to buy..... and I don't really care one way or another what shoes/guns anyone else wears. Fer cryin' out loud, be glad we have a choice, and can pretty much buy what we want/like...... by the way, I've never fired a Hi-Point, of any description..... but I am partial to 1911's..... but that's just me. __________________ "For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected cannot taste." "USMC 8652, 2531, RVN Jun '67, - May 69" Last edited by Jay; 10-17-2010 at 07:13 AM..

10-17-2010, 07:46 AM	#37
JoeV V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: N.E. Ohio NRA Life Member Posts: 307	Re: Hi Point vs. 1911 ROFLMAO. This thread is so reminiscent of what I used to get when I started fly fishing, and sought help on forums. There were always the people with unlimited budgets who advised me to save my money to buy only the very best Sage or Winston or custom built Italian Gatti fly rod to insure my success. Then one day I was at an event in Grayling, Michigan where an esteemed fly casting instructor removed his fly rod from its case, strung the line through the eyes, and proceeded to demonstrate the basic casting technique, but with one twist...he had the entire 85' of fly line in the air with what appeared to be little to no effort. While he did some fancy stuff with the line and rod, the rumblings through the crowd were about which of the top fly rods he had that could perform so well, and which of the newest 3M fly lines he was using. At the end of the demonstration he announced what he was using and produced the packaging to verify the price...it was a Scientific Angler's entry level 5-6wt fly rod combo pack, factory spooled with the least expensive 3M fly line. Total price was $39.95 from Wal-Mart for the rod, reel, line, backing, leader, tippet and an assortment of panfish flies. He needed to prove that while equipment could help make you a better caster, there was no substitute for practice, practice, practice to make you a caster capable of casting even the least costly equipment. He was also an advocate of outfitting a person based on THEIR budget, not his budget, so they could begin to enjoy the hobby. Better equipment will find its way into their arsenal in its own time as the hobbyist progresses in skill and knowledge. I like to think the same philosophy should be applied when introducing someone to the shooting sports. Take them right where they are today, and time and mentoring will take care of the rest. FWIW, after 5 long guns and as many pistols, I just bought a Hi-Point 9mm Carbine. It's not quite a tack driver, but it's an awful lot of fun on a cheap budget.

10-17-2010, 01:08 PM	#38
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,064	Re: Hi Point vs. 1911 I hear their carbines are much better than their pistols.

10-18-2010, 06:42 AM	#40
oscarmayer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Contributor Posts: 2,387	Re: Hi Point vs. 1911 please MagnumFan share with us your experiences with the hi-point, i love to learn and have found out i'm never to old or set in my ways to learn and change my opinion. i've witnessed only positive results dealing with the few hi-powers i've run across but i'm sure that doesn't mean they all are reliable. the one at my local range as a rental that has had 5000 + rounds through it with only a cleaning once in a blue moon might be a fluke. yes it was all hard ball so i can't comment on if it feeds all things 45 , nor can i explain countless gun reviews all giving it 4 out of 5 stars in the reliability department, but perhaps you've had differing experiences , please share so we can all learn, i'd hate to think you were commenting on it because it's not pretty or expensive

10-18-2010, 07:11 AM	#41
msujmccorm Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: South MS Posts: 11	Re: Hi Point vs. 1911 I have shot both the carbine and the pistol. Granted I don't shoot for a living but neither one have given any problems other than the magazine spring. The company promptly sent replacement magazines. It's amazes me that some people make negative comments that seem to be based on opinions not experience. I believe when someone asks here for advice or opinions the responses should be based on real experiences.

10-19-2010, 07:59 AM	#46
oscarmayer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Contributor Posts: 2,387	Re: Hi Point vs. 1911 When I found out I would be evaluating Hi-Point pistols, I posted a question concerning them on a shooter's Internet forum I use on a regular basis. I received a total of 18 responses from persons who either owned or knew someone who owned a Hi-Point pistol. Of them, 17 were completely positive. Now, I know this is hardly a scientific survey, but I still found the responses most enlightening. When it came time to conduct my own shooting evaluation of the Hi-Point pistols, my father and I went to my gun club. Pacing off 15 yards, I set up a series of Birchwood/Casey Shoot-N-C targets, and we proceeded to fire three five-shot groups with each ammunition load. We found the two pistols more accurate than either of us had at first assumed; most of our groups were in the sub-three-inch range. With the .45-caliber Hi-Point Model JHP, honorable mention goes to Winchester's 185-grain Silvertip load, which consistently printed the tightest groups, while the .40-caliber Model JCP showed a definite preference for Remington 155-grain JHP loads. The vast majority of the rounds I sent downrange found their way to the high scoring rings of their respective targets. In fact, close examination of the targets showed that only two rounds were outside the X- or 10-ring with each pistol. You can say that the Hi-Point pistols are inexpensive, but don't ever say they don't shoot. They shoot darn well!....... NOT MY WORDS, this was taken from SHOOTING TIMES GUN REVIEW OF A COUPLE HI-POINTS

10-19-2010, 08:16 AM	#47
MagnumFan Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Midwest Posts: 107	Re: Hi Point vs. 1911 ROTFLMFAO !!!! I think you must have been reading "High Times"

10-19-2010, 08:43 AM	#48
oscarmayer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Contributor Posts: 2,387	Re: Hi Point vs. 1911 very intelligent reply..... NOT , and while you're having fun talking non-sense, keep in mind you were asked to give real life expiences with hi-points . do you have something to share or is your opinion based on what ever muddled concept you have rattleing around in your head. or are you as i put it in a prior post a gun snob..... i could continue to show countless reviews share real life examples but it's a battle of wits and i don't do battle with the unarmed , witless and clueless is no way to go through life

10-19-2010, 08:49 AM	#49
MagnumFan Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Midwest Posts: 107	Re: Hi Point vs. 1911 My Cousin has one, and it is junk. And before you tell me how great their customer service is, I'll tell you why... They get plenty of practice.

10-19-2010, 09:00 AM	#50
oscarmayer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Contributor Posts: 2,387	Re: Hi Point vs. 1911 that doesn't discount the thousands of happy owners of hi-points..... i once bought a colt delta elite 10mm it turned out to be junk, the frame cracked after 200 rounds. i'm i to assume all colts are junk? my point to all this being is the hi-point as inexpensive as it is and as ugly as it is and yes they handle like a brick , they have there place, they offer the poor& have nots a tool to provide protection to themselves and their loved ones without skipping a month of rent in order to afford a gun....my opinion matters very little this is the opinion of gun writters in various magazines that have tested these things,