Quackenbush Pistol - The Firearms Forum

Leeronpoodles · 10-19-2010, 08:30 AM

While cleaning out my Parents home folling my Mother's recent move to Florida I found a Quackenbush pistol which I hadnot seen for more years than I care to remember. I am wondering what it might be worth.

3/2 STA SS · 10-19-2010, 08:57 AM

I have seen the rifles with a wire stock,most were wood from what I have seen, go for as much as $250.00 but I can honestly say this is the first pistol I have ever seen. Neat pistol.

RJay · 10-19-2010, 09:08 AM

I believe it is a Quackenbush Bicycle rifle with the stock removed.

hrf · 10-19-2010, 09:14 AM

Yes, you have their "Bicycle Rifle" model which unfortunately has had the barrel shortened (was originally 12")

There was a bracket in the large empty hole which attached a retracting wire stock on the right side.

3/2 STA SS · 10-19-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hrf

Yes, you have their "Bicycle Rifle" model which unfortunately has had the barrel shortened (was originally 12")

There was a bracket in the large empty hole which attached a retracting wire stock on the right side.

That would make sense. I never put any thought to the hole.

22WRF · 10-19-2010, 03:49 PM

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=9574911

Leeronpoodles · 10-19-2010, 04:51 PM

I have heard that Quackenbush made some pistols too, are you sure it's not one of them? I haven't seen any pictures of them so I don't know.
I suppose that the alterations would make it pretty much worthless? If so I just might clean it up and use it for target practice.

22WRF · 10-19-2010, 05:08 PM

Quackenbush made pistols but they were air pistols

Jim K · 10-19-2010, 05:14 PM

I think it is a safe bet that the stock was removed when someone realized that the little rifle was illegal under the NFA. When that was, of course, I have no idea. I think the bicycle rifle is specifically named as removed from the NFA and made a C&R, but when there was no C&R category, it would have been illegal unless registered.

Jim

Leeronpoodles · 10-19-2010, 06:44 PM

I really don't know just when my Dad got the gun, it could have been his father's. To the best of my knowledge he has not fired it since the late '50s at least.
Anybody got any idea what it might be worth? How would I go about registering it without a serial number on the gun?

Jim K · 10-19-2010, 08:15 PM

Is registration required under your state law, or are you outside the US? As far as buying or selling, the dealer just records in his book that the gun antedates the requirement for a serial number and has none. Many millions of guns were made in the US and imported that have no serial numbers, which were not required by federal law until 1968.

Value? Beats me. Check on those auction sites and see what the rifles are selling for, and then divide by two, since the gun is not complete.

Jim

hrf · 10-19-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim K

Is registration required under your state law, or are you outside the US? As far as buying or selling, the dealer just records in his book that the gun antedates the requirement for a serial number and has none. Many millions of guns were made in the US and imported that have no serial numbers, which were not required by federal law until 1968.

Value? Beats me. Check on those auction sites and see what the rifles are selling for, and then divide by two, since the gun is not complete.

Jim

There's also the point that the barrel has been shortened, so technically is it not an illegal pistol made from a rifle?

22WRF · 10-19-2010, 08:59 PM

Technically it's a short barreled rifle, once a rifle always a rifle. (Once a rifle leave the factory it will always be a rifle) however the original was only 12" under the legal 16". But a 12" Quackenbush is legal to Fuzzy area here.

Leeronpoodles · 10-19-2010, 09:33 PM

Thanks for all your help everyone. I know a lot more what I'm dealing with then when I signed on this morning.
Anyone here know anything about antique muzzle loaders? I have one of those, too I've looked online and haven't been able to match it up with anything. Maybe it's been altered too. I'll post photos in a couple of days if anyone is interested.

Jim K · 10-20-2010, 11:12 AM

I have had a real problem downloading the C&R list; I may have to just get the printed book. I think those Quackenbush bicycle rifles were specifically removed from the purview of the NFA and declared C&R items. I don't know about that pistol; it could still technically be illegal as a pistol made from a rifle.

Realistically, I don't see some BATFE honcho shouting, "Forget the terrorists buying explosives and AK-47s and hijacking airplanes! We have to crack down on old Quackenbush pistols made from rifles; the security of the nation depends on it."

Jim

Leeronpoodles · 10-20-2010, 03:16 PM

Thanks Jim, I won't worry about it until some yahoo is knocking at my door. After all you are speaking of the Government Mentality.

Lee

RJay · 10-20-2010, 11:09 PM

Just thinking, I doubt that there are but very few BFTA agents that even know what a Quackenbush firearm is. They would probably think it was some type of mutant duck.

armedandsafe · 10-20-2010, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RJay

Just thinking, I doubt that there are but very few BFTA agents that even know what a Quackenbush firearm is. They would probably think it was some type of mutant duck.

"I'm from the BATFE and I understand you are hiding some migratory waterfowl in those bushes around your place."

Pops

Jim K · 10-21-2010, 12:53 PM

Not to mention that going after owners of Quackenbush bicycle rifles is a whole lot safer than going after terrorists.

Jim

Oneida Steve · 10-21-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RJay

Just thinking, I doubt that there are but very few BFTA agents that even know what a Quackenbush firearm is. They would probably think it was some type of mutant duck.

Quackenbush is a well-known name here in Central New York. The Quackenbush factory was in Herkimer County, just a few miles east of my home. You can still find folks with the surname "Quackenbush" in the local phone directory.

Jim K · 10-21-2010, 10:08 PM

In more recent times a product of the old company was nutcrackers. If you have one of the older chrome type with handles, check for the letters HMQ. (Today, of course, the markings will read "MADE IN CHINA" since our government won't allow anything to be made here. They have to pay off the Chinese for buying our worthless paper.)

Jim

10-19-2010, 08:30 AM	#1
Leeronpoodles Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6	Quackenbush Pistol While cleaning out my Parents home folling my Mother's recent move to Florida I found a Quackenbush pistol which I hadnot seen for more years than I care to remember. I am wondering what it might be worth. Attached Images -->

10-19-2010, 08:57 AM	#2
3/2 STA SS Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Area, FL Posts: 1,443	Re: Quackenbush Pistol I have seen the rifles with a wire stock,most were wood from what I have seen, go for as much as $250.00 but I can honestly say this is the first pistol I have ever seen. Neat pistol.

10-19-2010, 09:08 AM	#3
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,487	Re: Quackenbush Pistol I believe it is a Quackenbush Bicycle rifle with the stock removed. __________________ RonJames

10-19-2010, 09:14 AM	#4
hrf Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,283	Re: Quackenbush Pistol Yes, you have their "Bicycle Rifle" model which unfortunately has had the barrel shortened (was originally 12") There was a bracket in the large empty hole which attached a retracting wire stock on the right side.

10-19-2010, 03:49 PM	#6
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,253	Re: Quackenbush Pistol http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=9574911 __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel

10-19-2010, 04:51 PM	#7
Leeronpoodles Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6	Re: Quackenbush Pistol I have heard that Quackenbush made some pistols too, are you sure it's not one of them? I haven't seen any pictures of them so I don't know. I suppose that the alterations would make it pretty much worthless? If so I just might clean it up and use it for target practice.

10-19-2010, 05:08 PM	#8
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,253	Re: Quackenbush Pistol Quackenbush made pistols but they were air pistols __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel

10-19-2010, 05:14 PM	#9
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Quackenbush Pistol I think it is a safe bet that the stock was removed when someone realized that the little rifle was illegal under the NFA. When that was, of course, I have no idea. I think the bicycle rifle is specifically named as removed from the NFA and made a C&R, but when there was no C&R category, it would have been illegal unless registered. Jim

10-19-2010, 06:44 PM	#10
Leeronpoodles Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6	Re: Quackenbush Pistol I really don't know just when my Dad got the gun, it could have been his father's. To the best of my knowledge he has not fired it since the late '50s at least. Anybody got any idea what it might be worth? How would I go about registering it without a serial number on the gun?

10-19-2010, 08:15 PM	#11
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Quackenbush Pistol Is registration required under your state law, or are you outside the US? As far as buying or selling, the dealer just records in his book that the gun antedates the requirement for a serial number and has none. Many millions of guns were made in the US and imported that have no serial numbers, which were not required by federal law until 1968. Value? Beats me. Check on those auction sites and see what the rifles are selling for, and then divide by two, since the gun is not complete. Jim

10-19-2010, 08:59 PM	#13
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,253	Re: Quackenbush Pistol Technically it's a short barreled rifle, once a rifle always a rifle. (Once a rifle leave the factory it will always be a rifle) however the original was only 12" under the legal 16". But a 12" Quackenbush is legal to Fuzzy area here. __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel

10-19-2010, 09:33 PM	#14
Leeronpoodles Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6	Re: Quackenbush Pistol Thanks for all your help everyone. I know a lot more what I'm dealing with then when I signed on this morning. Anyone here know anything about antique muzzle loaders? I have one of those, too I've looked online and haven't been able to match it up with anything. Maybe it's been altered too. I'll post photos in a couple of days if anyone is interested.

10-20-2010, 11:12 AM	#15
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Quackenbush Pistol I have had a real problem downloading the C&R list; I may have to just get the printed book. I think those Quackenbush bicycle rifles were specifically removed from the purview of the NFA and declared C&R items. I don't know about that pistol; it could still technically be illegal as a pistol made from a rifle. Realistically, I don't see some BATFE honcho shouting, "Forget the terrorists buying explosives and AK-47s and hijacking airplanes! We have to crack down on old Quackenbush pistols made from rifles; the security of the nation depends on it." Jim

10-20-2010, 03:16 PM	#16
Leeronpoodles Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6	Re: Quackenbush Pistol Thanks Jim, I won't worry about it until some yahoo is knocking at my door. After all you are speaking of the Government Mentality. Lee

10-20-2010, 11:09 PM	#17
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,487	Re: Quackenbush Pistol Just thinking, I doubt that there are but very few BFTA agents that even know what a Quackenbush firearm is. They would probably think it was some type of mutant duck. __________________ RonJames

10-21-2010, 12:53 PM	#19
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Quackenbush Pistol Not to mention that going after owners of Quackenbush bicycle rifles is a whole lot safer than going after terrorists. Jim

10-21-2010, 10:08 PM	#21
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Quackenbush Pistol In more recent times a product of the old company was nutcrackers. If you have one of the older chrome type with handles, check for the letters HMQ. (Today, of course, the markings will read "MADE IN CHINA" since our government won't allow anything to be made here. They have to pay off the Chinese for buying our worthless paper.) Jim