Love or Hate Glocks - Page 2 - The Firearms Forum

oscarmayer · 11-17-2010, 09:00 AM

true enough there have been reports of cracked frames on glocks, which i suspect are mainly due to hotrodding the round, but colt lite weight commanders in 45&38 super and the colt delta elite have also developed frame cracks, that doesn't make them undesirable. you can get a steel or aluminum frame for the glock the price is 349.00 or for 10 bucks (8 pack) you can get a recoil buffer from buffer technologies which is a polyurethane spacer that fits on the recoil spring guide rod to cushion the slide impact. life of a recoil buffer/spacer 1000 rounds.

Gun Geezer · 11-17-2010, 09:27 AM

I own many guns. A few are safe queens. Some are range guns and some are EDC's. 3 of my EDC's are: Kel-Tec P3AT, S&W342 and either of my Glocks.(26 & 30SF)

Boris · 11-17-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bigd1590

well the problem with glocks is they can fire out of batery, they use a cheap plastic and my good freind lost his right middle finger from his glock 17 fireing out of batery the mag shot out, the pistol cracked. if you do buy one put a aluminum frame (or stainless) on it it only adds one ounce and makes it much saffer, i also suggest that you put the 3.5 pound trigger on it. every serious colector has owned or at least shot a glock i own a few but all of mine are on stainless frames.... the cheap poly they use on the glocks can't handle 15degree weather, on that note not to many guns can but they are a good gun in my eyes if they used a poly like H&K like on my mk23 i would have kept it that way the secound thing is that hk uses a higher grade poly and they also add fiberglass into the poly witch is like rebar in concreat (please forgive spelling i am useing firefox so no spell check)

HK frames NEVER crack........

johnlives4christ · 11-17-2010, 12:28 PM

lol@ glocks firing out of battery. .

who puts duracells in their glock anyways

hogger129 · 11-17-2010, 03:21 PM

"... There's no such thing as a good gun. There's no such thing as a bad gun. A gun in the hands of a bad man is a very dangerous thing. A gun in the hands of a good person is no danger to anyone except the bad guys. ..."

-Charlton Heston

johnlives4christ · 11-17-2010, 03:49 PM

i disagree with you hogger (imagine me disagreeing with anyone right lol)

i think a polymer frame would outlast a steel frame. steel and aluminum (especially aluminum) will fatigue over time. but plastic is dang resilient as long as it's not pushed past it's stress point.

i have heard stories about a glock that has had over a million rounds through it. although i dont know where the story is, i mighty try looking it up. but anyways. i'd be hard pressed to find a steel frame gun, any steel frame gun that has had over a million rounds through it.

we all have heard of harmonics right? when the gun is fired it vibrates. the barrel is prone mostly to this because it is long and relatively thin. the closer to the end where its unsupported the more it vibrates. also if it touches something it dampens the vibration unevenly causing a disruption.

okay well, a plastic frame will absorb more vibrations without damage then a metal frame will. eventually the metal will start to get weak where it is pounded from recoil. the harmonics of each shot only goes to weaken a microscopic crack. in a glock the slide stops on a block of metal, which is a replaceable part if need be. much like an engine with sleeved cylinders. so the frame never receives damage if maintenance is given regularly.

johnlives4christ · 11-17-2010, 03:52 PM

dont get me wrong though by thinking that i would rather have a glock. i would much rather to have a 1911 over a glock. but i surmise that a plastic gun will outlast a steel gun.

of course the old timers will argue with it because plastic is a new fangled idea, but when you think about it, the modern gun itself is a relatively new idea and plastic has been around almost as long as modern self contained cartridge guns.

myg30 · 11-17-2010, 06:39 PM

I enjoy shooting most guns. All of them have a useful purpose. My glock is the one I choose to use the most for my purpose. I trust my life on a glock.When nessary,I have to trust my life on a BHP,Beretta,S&W,Tarus,sig,rem,mossberg etc....and not in any order. Just whats at hand when needed !
Neglect any weapon and in time it will fail. Some sooner than others, just like cars. I like fords!

Mike

bigd1590 · 11-17-2010, 07:09 PM

was that an older gen HK because i have not heard of a new hk doing that because i belive it was in the 90's that hk started adding fiberglass strands to their pistols. and read what i wrote i never said hk's never had any problems. but the mind will see what it wants.

Boris · 11-17-2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bigd1590

was that an older gen HK because i have not heard of a new hk doing that because i belive it was in the 90's that hk started adding fiberglass strands to their pistols. and read what i wrote i never said hk's never had any problems. but the mind will see what it wants.

I am the one that said they never crack.

FWIW the polymer Glock frames are long strand glass reinforced.

I have seen more cracked steel and alloy frames than I have seen polymer ones. Infact I have never seen a cracked Glock or HK frame with my oen eyes. I have no doubts though that they do exsist. Just look at that pic.........

bigd1590 · 11-17-2010, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by oscarmayer

true enough there have been reports of cracked frames on glocks, which i suspect are mainly due to hotrodding the round, but colt lite weight commanders in 45&38 super and the colt delta elite have also developed frame cracks, that doesn't make them undesirable. you can get a steel or aluminum frame for the glock the price is 349.00 or for 10 bucks (8 pack) you can get a recoil buffer from buffer technologies which is a polyurethane spacer that fits on the recoil spring guide rod to cushion the slide impact. life of a recoil buffer/spacer 1000 rounds.

first off let me corect you he was shooting factory 115 fmj and not his hand loads (always been carfull about that) secound off it may be expensive but i like my stainless frame better because i feel it is a great set up for how cold it gets where i am.

Boris · 11-17-2010, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bigd1590

first off let me corect you he was shooting factory 115 fmj and not his hand loads (always been carfull about that) secound off it may be expensive but i like my stainless frame better because i feel it is a great set up for how cold it gets where i am.

I forgot about the cold thing. I have used a few Glocks down to -37F. There is one scandinavian country that issues the G20 to soldiers for protection against polar bears.

This is the first time I have ever heard cold weather will shatter, crack, or break a Glock frame.

johnlives4christ · 11-17-2010, 10:34 PM

i've never seen, and honestly never heard of a cracked glock frame that was not abused greatly. either too hot loads or bbl obstructions or too weak of a recoil spring.

as far as the glock being subject to cold weather i dont know. but i do know that i seen on tv that it gets so cold in antartica that you can hit a piece of steel with a hammer and shatter it. drop your 1911 and it shatters. i'd be willing to bet a glock would hold up, but wouldnt be surprised either way

jacksonco · 11-17-2010, 10:54 PM

As far as the metal v. Polymer debate goes I believe that the polymer is more resistant to stress fractures than metal. I worked in the polymer extrusion business fro 23 years and there are compounded polymers and composite polymers that are unbelievably tough.

Small_bore · 11-18-2010, 12:28 AM

Glocks are ok, I wasn't really impressed with them; load em up and shoot simple as that.
It's an aesthetic thing, I just didn't like the feel.
Now a Hi-Power that's a whole different story.

oscarmayer · 11-18-2010, 04:22 AM

correct me if you want. ok so the example you've brought up he was shooting 115 gr stuff if you read my post i said i suspect some of the cracks were due to hotrodding not ALL of them. i'm happy you like the metal frame on a glock but it defeats the whole concept of the glock , which is now a frankenpistol. my point wasn't a debate about which is better i just reported that cracked frames happen to more than just glocks and the fix for it doesn't have to be expensive 10 bucks and the chances are reduced of the frame failing.... and all gun frames are prone to cracking and premature failure no matter what the mat'l is. and yes even the H&K

Boris · 11-18-2010, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by oscarmayer

correct me if you want. ok so the example you've brought up he was shooting 115 gr stuff if you read my post i said i suspect some of the cracks were due to hotrodding not ALL of them. i'm happy you like the metal frame on a glock but it defeats the whole concept of the glock , which is now a frankenpistol. my point wasn't a debate about which is better i just reported that cracked frames happen to more than just glocks and the fix for it doesn't have to be expensive 10 bucks and the chances are reduced of the frame failing.... and all gun frames are prone to cracking and premature failure no matter what the mat'l is. and yes even the H&K

On Glocks the recoil block will break before the frame cracks. If someone does not care about keeping the Glock up to snuff they can break it if they run a recoil spring too long. It is a pretty cheap part to replace yourself if you are that careless. I have seen a few with broken recoil blocks. Frames were still OK.

On the firing out of battery. I have seen Glocks fail to fully lock because chunks of brass and carbon held together by lube got in the barrel hood area. Glocks run fine with the so little lube on them you dont even know its there. Infact they run best when lubed not at all or the thinnest imaginable coat.

Change the recoil spring and lube it proper will fix them two problems. Glocks are the easiest to test for a weak spring too.

Unload the gun and triple check it is clear. Point the gun to the cielling and dry fire it. Keep the trigger pulled all the way back. With the trigger still pressed all the way cycle the slide. All while keeping it pointed up. Ride the slide forward slowly. If it closes weak or not all the way, you need to replace the recoil spring.........

glocknut · 11-18-2010, 04:52 PM

Glocks? I love em....

mike
gn

johnlives4christ · 11-18-2010, 04:55 PM

i love all guns. 1911's glocks smith autos and revolvers colts you name it

Boris · 11-18-2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by johnlives4christ

i love all guns. 1911's glocks smith autos and revolvers colts you name it

I feel the same way. But S&W needs to ge back to making Smith&Wessons. Now they import Walthers, make 1911s, AR15s, and they make more models of Glocks than Glock does. Colt does not make enough guns IMO. I also believe they still make the best 1911s on the market right now.

You forgot to mention XDs.......

jacksonco · 11-18-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by johnlives4christ

i love all guns. 1911's glocks smith autos and revolvers colts you name it

+1

johnlives4christ · 11-18-2010, 07:52 PM

i didnt mention xds cause i aint ever had any experience with one. i think i shot a buddies once.

Boris · 11-18-2010, 08:16 PM

They are like SIG Glock hybreds with a grip safety. I hate the trigger, but you get used to it....... They feel great in the hand, the barrels are accurate and are known to be "fast"" for their length. New ones are cheaper than Glocks and used ones can be found for great prices.

Mine eats anything. Even the weak stuff that will give a Glock trouble, yet its (more than) tough enough to handle the hottest service rounds.

You need a 9mm anyway to balance out them 40s lol........

johnlives4christ · 11-18-2010, 09:25 PM

I think i'd like an xd. the only thing i dont like about it that i know of is that the slide will not retract unless the grip safety is depressed. the way i rack the slide when inspecting a handgun makes it irritating. i kinda hold the gun sideways ya know?

Boris · 11-19-2010, 10:41 AM

I tried and tried on a few different Glock last night to get them to fire 'out of battery'. I tried it with Glocks made in the 80s 90s and 00s. Not a single one would do it for me.

So my question about the out of battery post would be. If they know that an the Glock was infact out of battery, then why would they even try and fire the gun? My guess is it was just a guess as to why this gun allegedly blew up. It might be possible there are Glocks that will fire out of battery. I find it highly suspect though. I also wonder why someone would pull the trigger on a gun that has a slide that is not in the fully locked position knowingly.

11-17-2010, 09:00 AM	#26
oscarmayer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Contributor Posts: 2,387	Re: Love or Hate Glocks true enough there have been reports of cracked frames on glocks, which i suspect are mainly due to hotrodding the round, but colt lite weight commanders in 45&38 super and the colt delta elite have also developed frame cracks, that doesn't make them undesirable. you can get a steel or aluminum frame for the glock the price is 349.00 or for 10 bucks (8 pack) you can get a recoil buffer from buffer technologies which is a polyurethane spacer that fits on the recoil spring guide rod to cushion the slide impact. life of a recoil buffer/spacer 1000 rounds.

11-17-2010, 09:27 AM	#27
Gun Geezer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,710	Re: Love or Hate Glocks I own many guns. A few are safe queens. Some are range guns and some are EDC's. 3 of my EDC's are: Kel-Tec P3AT, S&W342 and either of my Glocks.(26 & 30SF)

11-17-2010, 12:28 PM	#29
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: Love or Hate Glocks lol@ glocks firing out of battery. . who puts duracells in their glock anyways

11-17-2010, 03:21 PM	#30
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,064	Re: Love or Hate Glocks "... There's no such thing as a good gun. There's no such thing as a bad gun. A gun in the hands of a bad man is a very dangerous thing. A gun in the hands of a good person is no danger to anyone except the bad guys. ..." -Charlton Heston __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can." Last edited by hogger129; 11-17-2010 at 03:41 PM..

11-17-2010, 03:49 PM	#31
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: Love or Hate Glocks i disagree with you hogger (imagine me disagreeing with anyone right lol) i think a polymer frame would outlast a steel frame. steel and aluminum (especially aluminum) will fatigue over time. but plastic is dang resilient as long as it's not pushed past it's stress point. i have heard stories about a glock that has had over a million rounds through it. although i dont know where the story is, i mighty try looking it up. but anyways. i'd be hard pressed to find a steel frame gun, any steel frame gun that has had over a million rounds through it. we all have heard of harmonics right? when the gun is fired it vibrates. the barrel is prone mostly to this because it is long and relatively thin. the closer to the end where its unsupported the more it vibrates. also if it touches something it dampens the vibration unevenly causing a disruption. okay well, a plastic frame will absorb more vibrations without damage then a metal frame will. eventually the metal will start to get weak where it is pounded from recoil. the harmonics of each shot only goes to weaken a microscopic crack. in a glock the slide stops on a block of metal, which is a replaceable part if need be. much like an engine with sleeved cylinders. so the frame never receives damage if maintenance is given regularly.

11-17-2010, 03:52 PM	#32
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: Love or Hate Glocks dont get me wrong though by thinking that i would rather have a glock. i would much rather to have a 1911 over a glock. but i surmise that a plastic gun will outlast a steel gun. of course the old timers will argue with it because plastic is a new fangled idea, but when you think about it, the modern gun itself is a relatively new idea and plastic has been around almost as long as modern self contained cartridge guns.

11-17-2010, 06:39 PM	#33
myg30 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Nash,TN. Posts: 25	Re: Love or Hate Glocks I enjoy shooting most guns. All of them have a useful purpose. My glock is the one I choose to use the most for my purpose. I trust my life on a glock.When nessary,I have to trust my life on a BHP,Beretta,S&W,Tarus,sig,rem,mossberg etc....and not in any order. Just whats at hand when needed ! Neglect any weapon and in time it will fail. Some sooner than others, just like cars. I like fords! Mike

11-17-2010, 07:09 PM	#34
bigd1590 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 22	Re: Love or Hate Glocks was that an older gen HK because i have not heard of a new hk doing that because i belive it was in the 90's that hk started adding fiberglass strands to their pistols. and read what i wrote i never said hk's never had any problems. but the mind will see what it wants.

11-17-2010, 10:34 PM	#38
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: Love or Hate Glocks i've never seen, and honestly never heard of a cracked glock frame that was not abused greatly. either too hot loads or bbl obstructions or too weak of a recoil spring. as far as the glock being subject to cold weather i dont know. but i do know that i seen on tv that it gets so cold in antartica that you can hit a piece of steel with a hammer and shatter it. drop your 1911 and it shatters. i'd be willing to bet a glock would hold up, but wouldnt be surprised either way

11-17-2010, 10:54 PM	#39
jacksonco Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jackson County West Virginia Posts: 2,237	Re: Love or Hate Glocks As far as the metal v. Polymer debate goes I believe that the polymer is more resistant to stress fractures than metal. I worked in the polymer extrusion business fro 23 years and there are compounded polymers and composite polymers that are unbelievably tough.

11-18-2010, 12:28 AM	#40
Small_bore Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 25	Re: Love or Hate Glocks Glocks are ok, I wasn't really impressed with them; load em up and shoot simple as that. It's an aesthetic thing, I just didn't like the feel. Now a Hi-Power that's a whole different story.

11-18-2010, 04:22 AM	#41
oscarmayer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Contributor Posts: 2,387	Re: Love or Hate Glocks correct me if you want. ok so the example you've brought up he was shooting 115 gr stuff if you read my post i said i suspect some of the cracks were due to hotrodding not ALL of them. i'm happy you like the metal frame on a glock but it defeats the whole concept of the glock , which is now a frankenpistol. my point wasn't a debate about which is better i just reported that cracked frames happen to more than just glocks and the fix for it doesn't have to be expensive 10 bucks and the chances are reduced of the frame failing.... and all gun frames are prone to cracking and premature failure no matter what the mat'l is. and yes even the H&K

11-18-2010, 04:52 PM	#43
glocknut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: THE FORUM MASCOTT... Posts: 12,482	Re: Love or Hate Glocks Glocks? I love em.... mike gn __________________ Where O where are you tonight? Why have you gone and left me alone? I searched to world over and a thought i found true love... You met another and PTThhh you were gone....

11-18-2010, 04:55 PM	#44
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: Love or Hate Glocks i love all guns. 1911's glocks smith autos and revolvers colts you name it

11-18-2010, 07:52 PM	#47
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: Love or Hate Glocks i didnt mention xds cause i aint ever had any experience with one. i think i shot a buddies once.

11-18-2010, 08:16 PM	#48
Boris Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 607	Re: Love or Hate Glocks They are like SIG Glock hybreds with a grip safety. I hate the trigger, but you get used to it....... They feel great in the hand, the barrels are accurate and are known to be "fast"" for their length. New ones are cheaper than Glocks and used ones can be found for great prices. Mine eats anything. Even the weak stuff that will give a Glock trouble, yet its (more than) tough enough to handle the hottest service rounds. You need a 9mm anyway to balance out them 40s lol........

11-18-2010, 09:25 PM	#49
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: Love or Hate Glocks I think i'd like an xd. the only thing i dont like about it that i know of is that the slide will not retract unless the grip safety is depressed. the way i rack the slide when inspecting a handgun makes it irritating. i kinda hold the gun sideways ya know?

11-19-2010, 10:41 AM	#50
Boris Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 607	Re: Love or Hate Glocks I tried and tried on a few different Glock last night to get them to fire 'out of battery'. I tried it with Glocks made in the 80s 90s and 00s. Not a single one would do it for me. So my question about the out of battery post would be. If they know that an the Glock was infact out of battery, then why would they even try and fire the gun? My guess is it was just a guess as to why this gun allegedly blew up. It might be possible there are Glocks that will fire out of battery. I find it highly suspect though. I also wonder why someone would pull the trigger on a gun that has a slide that is not in the fully locked position knowingly.