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Skipper · 11-19-2010, 09:41 AM

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The Validity Of The Constitution: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided!

Submitted by BleuCream013 on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 20:07
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Yes, you all read that correctly, SCOTUS will soon rule on the very validity of the Constitution. Chalk another one down, in the CRAZY lunatics in the Fed.Gov. column.

United States Supreme Court Will Soon Issue a Landmark Decision on the Validity of the Constitution
Nov 13 01:55 AM US/Eastern

"ATLANTA, Nov. 13, 2010 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The United States Supreme Court will soon issue a landmark decision on the validity of the Constitution. The Supreme Court will consider three petitions filed by William M. Windsor, a retired Atlanta, Georgia grandfather. The decision should be rendered by the end of the year. Unless The Supreme Court acts, federal judges will be free to void the Constitution.

The Questions Presented to The Supreme Court by Grandfather Windsor are:

1. Will The Supreme Court declare that the Constitution and its amendments may be voided by federal judges?
2. Should federal judges be stopped from committing illegal and corrupt acts to obstruct justice and inflict bias on litigants?
3. Will The Supreme Court be afraid to disclose the corruption in the federal courts?

These questions are presented in three separate Petitions for Writ of Mandamus filed with The United States Supreme Court the first week of November 2010 (appeal numbers to-be-assigned).

hogger129 · 11-19-2010, 03:10 PM

Since when can the SCOTUS decide that the Amendments to the Constitution are valid?

Do they have the authority? Does any branch of government have that authority? If you ask me, no. Not even the government is above their own laws.

Let us not forget, the Constitution is a limitation of their power, not of the power of the people.

Ruling that Amendments can be voided would incite a civil war.

johnlives4christ · 11-19-2010, 04:23 PM

hogger, i wont forget that. but it seems most dont care in government. they dont know anything about the constitution or what it represents or how it's supposed to be used.

ofitg · 11-19-2010, 11:01 PM

This story will be worth watching.

johnlives4christ · 11-20-2010, 12:12 AM

i dont think anyone in government has ever balanced a check book.

NRA_guy · 11-20-2010, 05:32 AM

The SCOTUS threw out the Tenth Amendment long, long ago.

hogger129 · 11-20-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by johnlives4christ

hogger, i wont forget that. but it seems most dont care in government. they dont know anything about the constitution or what it represents or how it's supposed to be used.

well maybe it's time for them to learn...

Trouble 45-70 · 11-20-2010, 12:06 PM

Does anyone know when was the last time, if ever that a writ of Mandamus was issued?

Teejay9 · 11-20-2010, 03:16 PM

Well, there's lota of people out there in voterland who do know the Constitution. Any attempt would heralded very early on and I don't believe that everyone, including LEO's, Armed service personnel of all ranks (they are sworn to UPHOLD the Constitution) and even members of Congress itself, would not take to kindly to some government takeover. It would be very hard to get everyone to just hand over their property. It made not be a God given inalienable right for the Government to have precedence over the State, but to keep and bear arms is. TJ

Bobitis · 11-20-2010, 03:24 PM

Throw me under the bus if you will, But isn't this what the SCotUS does?
Interpret the Constitution?

The amendments came after the Constitution. We trust them with the Constitution, but not to rule on the amendments?

I don't get it.

armedandsafe · 11-20-2010, 04:49 PM

Keep in mind that the first 10 amendments (The Bill of Rights) were required for the ratification of the Constitution. Therefore, they are a part of the original document, inseperable therefrom.

Now, reading the document shows that all other amendments are, also, inseperable parts of the Constitution, by declaration.

Void one, void all.

Pops

jack404 · 11-20-2010, 05:11 PM

Pops but thats the idea .... to void them all this was discussed at the Un new world socialists conference in April last year , how to remove the constitution of the United states to allow the US to join the new world order...

user · 11-20-2010, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hogger129

Since when can the SCOTUS decide that the Amendments to the Constitution are valid?

Do they have the authority? Does any branch of government have that authority? If you ask me, no. Not even the government is above their own laws.

Let us not forget, the Constitution is a limitation of their power, not of the power of the people.

Ruling that Amendments can be voided would incite a civil war.

Since when? Have you ever read Marbury v. Madison? It did NOT establish the principle of judicial review - that was established long before by the Court of King's Bench back in Merry Olde. What the Hon. Justice Marshall said was this: the Constitution grants the Supremes the power to decide all matters of federal law as a final matter; the Constitution is federal law; so (ergo) it means whatever the United States says it means. Note the circularity of the logic, since the Constitution is NOT federal law, it is the charter that creates the entity that makes federal law.

And, yes, that principle could, and did incite civil war (or as I call it, the War between the United States and the Commonwealth of Virginia). Let's not forget that, although the issue was a bad one to have to argue in the particular case, the question was who gets to decide what constitutes "property"? The U.S. beat the People and their States fair and square, and now occupies the Constitution by right of conquest.

What real difference will it make what the S.Ct. rules in that case, since the U.S. has already persuaded the People through the public school propaganda that the Constitution is merely an honored historical artifact?

ofitg · 11-20-2010, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by user

What real difference will it make what the S.Ct. rules in that case, since the U.S. has already persuaded the People through the public school propaganda that the Constitution is merely an honored historical artifact?

In a recent poll, 26% of respondents didn't even know that our Revolution was fought against the British.....

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/72-don%...about-history/

pickenup · 11-20-2010, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hogger129

Ruling that Amendments can be voided would incite a civil war.

I am not sure that there is ANYTHING that the federal government could do, to incite a civil war. MANY people today are so apathetic and complacent, they would dig their own grave, without a fuss.

jack404 · 11-20-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pickenup

I am not sure that there is ANYTHING that the federal government could do, to incite a civil war. MANY people today are so apathetic and complacent, they would dig their own grave, without a fuss.

over a million cambodians did just that

i thought they did it as a way out of the horrors inflicted by socialists

maybe it's the same in the US ...

johnlives4christ · 11-20-2010, 11:07 PM

well lets say the supreme court decides we no longer have the "right" to bear arms. and that they can be regulated or taken away from us at will. what will you do about it? are we going to fight a revolution or just give up our guns? theres a lot of gun owners that dont feel the 2nd amendment is worth killing for frankly speaking.

jack404 · 11-20-2010, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnlives4christ

well lets say the supreme court decides we no longer have the "right" to bear arms. and that they can be regulated or taken away from us at will. what will you do about it? are we going to fight a revolution or just give up our guns? theres a lot of gun owners that dont feel the 2nd amendment is worth killing for frankly speaking.

John thats so sad to hear , that means to me , that there are people who are happy to be slaves
that wont object to oppresion or servitude

a free society is a armed society ,

a armed society is a polite society

and unarmed society is property

ofitg · 11-20-2010, 11:53 PM

I guess I'm a dinosaur, the Constitution still means something to me.

They can punch my ticket if they want to, I don't want to live in their New World Order.

jack404 · 11-20-2010, 11:57 PM

dont put your head on their block

come on over, we got enough stashed to last a few generations

better to go out fighting than on your knee's a slave

johnlives4christ · 11-21-2010, 12:06 AM

there are some gun owners that put human life on a pedestal. the wouldnt want to take another life for anything, even freedom. i know some that would give up their handguns if required, saying at least we still have our rifles.

we already have begun the downward slide by giving up our short barreled rifles/shotguns and machineguns.

i know of no one that would be willing to fight for the right to own a sbs or sbr or machine gun. pretty much all gun owners that desire such things see it as a battle we cant win. at least thats my take

i know there are some gun owners that dont see owning those as part of your rights and would be uncomfortable with ordinary citizens being able to own such without licenses. people cant see past what they want, their own opinions, to what is right

johnlives4christ · 11-21-2010, 12:11 AM

even some people on this forum would have some problems with total melt down of all gun laws.

ofitg · 11-21-2010, 12:23 AM

Thanks Jack, but my place is here, just like your place is in Australia.

They might have a hard time getting my head onto the block. Will that change the ultimate outcome? Probably not. But if there's a "final reckoning", it ought to count for something.....

user · 11-21-2010, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnlives4christ

well lets say the supreme court decides we no longer have the "right" to bear arms. and that they can be regulated or taken away from us at will. what will you do about it? are we going to fight a revolution or just give up our guns? theres a lot of gun owners that dont feel the 2nd amendment is worth killing for frankly speaking.

They've already said that! Heller said that the phrase, "shall not be infringed" means "subject to reasonable regulation." If it's subject to regulation, it's not a "right", it's a "privilege". By the way, the Court's analysis applies to the entire bill of rights. In other words, the United States has already decided that you have no "rights". Time to pull the rug out from under that puppy!

ofitg · 11-21-2010, 07:06 AM

It interests me that the three questions were framed in a Writ of Mandamus, and I'm wondering how the SCOTUS will respond. The questions seem "rhetorical" to me; I would be astonished if they openly declared themselves to be above the Constitution.

On the other hand, these are crazy times we're living in. The federal government is on the fast track toward becoming the American public's worst enemy. We sometimes hear about military coups in other countries - I wonder if it might happen here?

11-19-2010, 09:41 AM	#1
Skipper V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: People's Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 337	SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! http://www.dailypaul.com/node/149817 The Validity Of The Constitution: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! Submitted by BleuCream013 on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 20:07 in * Daily Paul Liberty Forum Yes, you all read that correctly, SCOTUS will soon rule on the very validity of the Constitution. Chalk another one down, in the CRAZY lunatics in the Fed.Gov. column. United States Supreme Court Will Soon Issue a Landmark Decision on the Validity of the Constitution Nov 13 01:55 AM US/Eastern "ATLANTA, Nov. 13, 2010 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The United States Supreme Court will soon issue a landmark decision on the validity of the Constitution. The Supreme Court will consider three petitions filed by William M. Windsor, a retired Atlanta, Georgia grandfather. The decision should be rendered by the end of the year. Unless The Supreme Court acts, federal judges will be free to void the Constitution. The Questions Presented to The Supreme Court by Grandfather Windsor are: 1. Will The Supreme Court declare that the Constitution and its amendments may be voided by federal judges? 2. Should federal judges be stopped from committing illegal and corrupt acts to obstruct justice and inflict bias on litigants? 3. Will The Supreme Court be afraid to disclose the corruption in the federal courts? These questions are presented in three separate Petitions for Writ of Mandamus filed with The United States Supreme Court the first week of November 2010 (appeal numbers to-be-assigned). -->

11-19-2010, 03:10 PM	#2
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,068	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! Since when can the SCOTUS decide that the Amendments to the Constitution are valid? Do they have the authority? Does any branch of government have that authority? If you ask me, no. Not even the government is above their own laws. Let us not forget, the Constitution is a limitation of their power, not of the power of the people. Ruling that Amendments can be voided would incite a civil war. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."

11-19-2010, 04:23 PM	#3
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! hogger, i wont forget that. but it seems most dont care in government. they dont know anything about the constitution or what it represents or how it's supposed to be used.

11-19-2010, 11:01 PM	#4
ofitg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,447	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! This story will be worth watching.

11-20-2010, 12:12 AM	#5
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! i dont think anyone in government has ever balanced a check book.

11-20-2010, 05:32 AM	#6
NRA_guy V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mississippi Posts: 287	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! The SCOTUS threw out the Tenth Amendment long, long ago.

11-20-2010, 12:06 PM	#8
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! Does anyone know when was the last time, if ever that a writ of Mandamus was issued? __________________ Psalm 12 verse 8: The wicked walk on every side when the vilest men are exalted.

11-20-2010, 03:16 PM	#9
Teejay9 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Southwest Corner of the US, "Where no stinking fence will stop us!!" Posts: 1,257	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! Well, there's lota of people out there in voterland who do know the Constitution. Any attempt would heralded very early on and I don't believe that everyone, including LEO's, Armed service personnel of all ranks (they are sworn to UPHOLD the Constitution) and even members of Congress itself, would not take to kindly to some government takeover. It would be very hard to get everyone to just hand over their property. It made not be a God given inalienable right for the Government to have precedence over the State, but to keep and bear arms is. TJ __________________ A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have". Thomas Jefferson Last edited by Teejay9; 11-21-2010 at 01:02 PM..

11-20-2010, 03:24 PM	#10
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! Throw me under the bus if you will, But isn't this what the SCotUS does? Interpret the Constitution? The amendments came after the Constitution. We trust them with the Constitution, but not to rule on the amendments? I don't get it. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

11-20-2010, 04:49 PM	#11
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! Keep in mind that the first 10 amendments (The Bill of Rights) were required for the ratification of the Constitution. Therefore, they are a part of the original document, inseperable therefrom. Now, reading the document shows that all other amendments are, also, inseperable parts of the Constitution, by declaration. Void one, void all. Pops

11-20-2010, 05:11 PM	#12
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! Pops but thats the idea .... to void them all this was discussed at the Un new world socialists conference in April last year , how to remove the constitution of the United states to allow the US to join the new world order...

11-20-2010, 11:07 PM	#17
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! well lets say the supreme court decides we no longer have the "right" to bear arms. and that they can be regulated or taken away from us at will. what will you do about it? are we going to fight a revolution or just give up our guns? theres a lot of gun owners that dont feel the 2nd amendment is worth killing for frankly speaking.

11-20-2010, 11:53 PM	#19
ofitg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,447	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! I guess I'm a dinosaur, the Constitution still means something to me. They can punch my ticket if they want to, I don't want to live in their New World Order.

11-20-2010, 11:57 PM	#20
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! dont put your head on their block come on over, we got enough stashed to last a few generations better to go out fighting than on your knee's a slave

11-21-2010, 12:06 AM	#21
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! there are some gun owners that put human life on a pedestal. the wouldnt want to take another life for anything, even freedom. i know some that would give up their handguns if required, saying at least we still have our rifles. we already have begun the downward slide by giving up our short barreled rifles/shotguns and machineguns. i know of no one that would be willing to fight for the right to own a sbs or sbr or machine gun. pretty much all gun owners that desire such things see it as a battle we cant win. at least thats my take i know there are some gun owners that dont see owning those as part of your rights and would be uncomfortable with ordinary citizens being able to own such without licenses. people cant see past what they want, their own opinions, to what is right

11-21-2010, 12:11 AM	#22
johnlives4christ Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,828	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! even some people on this forum would have some problems with total melt down of all gun laws.

11-21-2010, 12:23 AM	#23
ofitg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,447	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! Thanks Jack, but my place is here, just like your place is in Australia. They might have a hard time getting my head onto the block. Will that change the ultimate outcome? Probably not. But if there's a "final reckoning", it ought to count for something.....

11-21-2010, 07:06 AM	#25
ofitg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,447	Re: SCOTUS Will Decide If Amendments Can Be Voided! It interests me that the three questions were framed in a Writ of Mandamus, and I'm wondering how the SCOTUS will respond. The questions seem "rhetorical" to me; I would be astonished if they openly declared themselves to be above the Constitution. On the other hand, these are crazy times we're living in. The federal government is on the fast track toward becoming the American public's worst enemy. We sometimes hear about military coups in other countries - I wonder if it might happen here?