Model 94-30 loading gate issue. - The Firearms Forum

cierraexpress · 12-10-2010, 01:56 AM

Has anyone ever experianced an issue with a pre 60s model 94-30 were the ammo loading gate will not open due to the ammo feed ramp is blocking the gate? I am able to open the action and if I push the ammo feed ramp down slightly the gate will clear, however if I push the feed ramp too far down the action will no longer cycle
to correct this I have found that if I push the ammo feed tube follower in slightly and insert the end of the feed ramp and lift upwards on the backend of the feed ramp I can then cycle the action again.! but back to no clearance issue betwen the loading gate and the feed ramp.

Any advice would be appriciated.

muddober · 12-10-2010, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cierraexpress

Has anyone ever experianced an issue with a pre 60s model 94-30 were the ammo loading gate will not open due to the ammo feed ramp is blocking the gate? I am able to open the action and if I push the ammo feed ramp down slightly the gate will clear, however if I push the feed ramp too far down the action will no longer cycle
to correct this I have found that if I push the ammo feed tube follower in slightly and insert the end of the feed ramp and lift upwards on the backend of the feed ramp I can then cycle the action again.! but back to no clearance issue betwen the loading gate and the feed ramp.

Any advice would be appriciated.

I have read your post about 10 times and the more I read it, the more confused I am. It sounds to me like you are perhaps trying to load the magazine (push in the loading gate) with the action open, which is something you cannot do, it has to be closed.

Lets start with the action closed and you not touching anything but the lever, can you fully cycle the action? If yes; then with the action closed can you push the loading gate in? If yes; then can you load the gun through the loading gate? If yes; then will the gun cycle the ammo? If yes the gun doesn't have a problem. If no to the first question, tell us again step by step what you have to do to open and close (cycle) the action and to push in the loading gate.

Ron

GunHugger · 12-10-2010, 06:51 AM

Is the screw on the on the right side that holds the loading gate tight?

cierraexpress · 12-10-2010, 12:02 PM

I have confirmed that the gate screw is tight, with the action closed you can not open the gate. If I open the action and push down on the front of the feed ramp it will go down slightly but not enough to open the gate. If I push bown on the back half of the ramp I can get the clearance I need for the gate to open. If I push down on the feed ramp to far it seems to drop down too far and the action will no longer cycle. At this pointe the only way to get the action to cycle again is to depress the feed tube follower slightly, insert the end of the feed ramp slightly into the tube and lift up the back half of the feed ramp and then close the action. at this pointe the action will cycle but I am back to the gate not being able to open.

Thank you all very much.
Rick

Jim K · 12-10-2010, 02:59 PM

Sound like gunsmith time to me.

Jim

Helix_FR · 12-10-2010, 03:15 PM

It almost sounds like the finger lever is damaged but its one of those gotta see it situations. I agree with Jim. Lever actions have a whole timing thing that needs some expertise to deal with it.

JLA · 12-10-2010, 04:15 PM

someone prolly thought it would be cool to twirl it like the rifleman. this is bad juju on real leverguns....

muddober · 12-10-2010, 05:18 PM

How did this problem first surface? Has the gun ever worked for you? Have you or anyone taken it apart? The only time I have seen a 94 act up it has always been from some type of operator error or neglect.

I would be happy to look at it for if you are any where near Reno Nevada. I also travel often to Seattle and all over California.

Ron

12-10-2010, 01:56 AM	#1
cierraexpress Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2	Model 94-30 loading gate issue. Has anyone ever experianced an issue with a pre 60s model 94-30 were the ammo loading gate will not open due to the ammo feed ramp is blocking the gate? I am able to open the action and if I push the ammo feed ramp down slightly the gate will clear, however if I push the feed ramp too far down the action will no longer cycle to correct this I have found that if I push the ammo feed tube follower in slightly and insert the end of the feed ramp and lift upwards on the backend of the feed ramp I can then cycle the action again.! but back to no clearance issue betwen the loading gate and the feed ramp. Any advice would be appriciated. --> Last edited by cierraexpress; 12-10-2010 at 01:58 AM..

12-10-2010, 06:51 AM	#3
GunHugger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SW PA Posts: 1,161	Re: Model 94-30 loading gate issue. Is the screw on the on the right side that holds the loading gate tight? __________________ . “There will be a revolution in this country!” “I don’t believe people should to be able to own guns.” ~Barack Obama "Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war let it begin here." ~Captain John Parker, to his Minute Men on Lexington Green, April 19, 1775.

12-10-2010, 12:02 PM	#4
cierraexpress Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2	Re: Model 94-30 loading gate issue. I have confirmed that the gate screw is tight, with the action closed you can not open the gate. If I open the action and push down on the front of the feed ramp it will go down slightly but not enough to open the gate. If I push bown on the back half of the ramp I can get the clearance I need for the gate to open. If I push down on the feed ramp to far it seems to drop down too far and the action will no longer cycle. At this pointe the only way to get the action to cycle again is to depress the feed tube follower slightly, insert the end of the feed ramp slightly into the tube and lift up the back half of the feed ramp and then close the action. at this pointe the action will cycle but I am back to the gate not being able to open. Thank you all very much. Rick

12-10-2010, 02:59 PM	#5
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Model 94-30 loading gate issue. Sound like gunsmith time to me. Jim

12-10-2010, 03:15 PM	#6
Helix_FR TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 3,618	Re: Model 94-30 loading gate issue. It almost sounds like the finger lever is damaged but its one of those gotta see it situations. I agree with Jim. Lever actions have a whole timing thing that needs some expertise to deal with it. __________________ Only cowards shoot with their eyes closed.... helixgunsmith.com

12-10-2010, 04:15 PM	#7
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,309	Re: Model 94-30 loading gate issue. someone prolly thought it would be cool to twirl it like the rifleman. this is bad juju on real leverguns.... __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

12-10-2010, 05:18 PM	#8
muddober Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,436	Re: Model 94-30 loading gate issue. How did this problem first surface? Has the gun ever worked for you? Have you or anyone taken it apart? The only time I have seen a 94 act up it has always been from some type of operator error or neglect. I would be happy to look at it for if you are any where near Reno Nevada. I also travel often to Seattle and all over California. Ron