LaPierre at CPAC

[GunnyGene]

Light at the end of the tunnel? Keep up the pressure, y'all. Don't give the control freaks an easy out.

In his speech, LaPierre called the proposal for mandatory background checks for gun owners a "placebo" that would not make schools or streets safer but would lead to a registration of lawful gun owners — lists that he said could be made public in local newspapers.

"In the end, there are only two reasons for government to create that federal registry of gun owners: to tax them or to take them," he said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...#ixzz2NhkOF4Os

[bumblebee]

Here is a transcript of the speech...
http://home.nra.org/pdf/Wayne_LaPierre_3_15_13.pdf

or watch the speech here

http://home.nra.org/#/nraorg

[dbcooper]

I can't believe I'm saying this but I have two LGS that have told local TV reporters that they are "not opposed" to the universal background checks

I went into one of them already and told the owner that he is just approving a national registry and future confiscation.
He told me "we have to give them something"
I gave him a 2 minute speech on the 2nd Amendment, paid for a lb of powder, and let him know I would not be back

I have told at least 30 people I know that shop there to boycott him as well

I listened to Wayne's whole speech and also Ted Cruz's speech.
I do feel we are energized for this fight

[Caneman]

Ted Cruz is special, he is far more talented than anyone else I see in the GOP right now..

[dbcooper]

Originally Posted by Caneman

Ted Cruz is special, he is far more talented than anyone else I see in the GOP right now..

yes he is

him, Rand Paul, and Rubio are rising stars of liberty as far as I can see

[Caneman]

i like Rand Paul, and i think he can be trusted (as far as any politician can be trusted!) but he can't orally express conservative/constitutional/christian ideals like cruz can... while rubio has some appeal right now, when the bullets start flying my sense is not to trust him any farther than i can throw him... he turned belly up last year on the federal borrowing limit and now on his immigration views...

[jedwil]

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/03/1...won-accept-it/

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by dbcooper

I can't believe I'm saying this but I have two LGS that have told local TV reporters that they are "not opposed" to the universal background checks

Of course he's not opposed to it. The shop in my town has a sign that they charge $70 for private transfers.

Why would he oppose price gouging like that?

Originally Posted by Caneman

i like Rand Paul, and i think he can be trusted (as far as any politician can be trusted!) but he can't orally express conservative/constitutional/christian ideals like cruz can... while rubio has some appeal right now, when the bullets start flying my sense is not to trust him any farther than i can throw him... he turned belly up last year on the federal borrowing limit and now on his immigration views...

I like Paul, Cruz, and Rubio. But I think Rubio is correct on the immigration stuff. We need comprehensive immigration reform.

Here is my version of comprehensive immigration reform:
We need to (1) close the borders to illegals, (2) speed up legal entry to where the whole process can be done in under a year (six months is a good goal)--if you qualify--and (3) be a heck of a lot more discerning in who we allow in. We must actively discriminate against those who are unlikely to be economic producers. That means discriminate against immigrants from Muslim countries, who have shown a propensity to live on welfare as much as possible (though the worst examples of this I've seen are in the UK and Australia). That means discriminate against anyone who has even cursory connections drug cartels. And we need to fast-track those who are very likely to be productive to our economy. That means rush through doctors, engineers, semi-skilled labor like concrete guys, etc.

And yes, immigration reform must include a way to make those who are already here into something legal (my preference is "permanent resident alien" status). I'm not thrilled with the idea of rewarding crime, but I've come to accept it as the only viable option. Illegal immigrants work grey-market jobs and don't pay taxes because there isn't a way for them to legally pay taxes. They are here, and the vast majority are good people.
Besides, you think the housing market sucks now? Deport 30 million people and see what happens to home prices. They will drop by half overnight.

[GunnyGene]

Originally Posted by dbcooper

yes he is

him, Rand Paul, and Rubio are rising stars of liberty as far as I can see

Be not deceived. They are all politicians. While they may espouse (for now) what you like to hear, know that they are still first and foremost politicians, and they are not immune from those things that politicians are concerned with. Skepticism is a virtue.

[Caneman]

we are a nation of laws, this includes people who want to immigrate to our country and become citizens... if you came here illegally you need to go home, or get in line and start applying to become a citizen and wait like everyone else...

[dbcooper]

Originally Posted by CampingJosh

Of course he's not opposed to it. The shop in my town has a sign that they charge $70 for private transfers.

Why would he oppose price gouging like that?

actually, Schumers Bill creates a new "Federal Tax" for these transfers, set by the government. The FFL will get a portion of that tax. So the FFL won't have the final say in what the private seller/buyer will pay.

it's a great law

[cutter]

Originally Posted by GunnyGene

Be not deceived. They are all politicians. While they may espouse (for now) what you like to hear, know that they are still first and foremost politicians, and they are not immune from those things that politicians are concerned with. Skepticism is a virtue.

I learned that lesson from Bush!

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by dbcooper

actually, Schumers Bill creates a new "Federal Tax" for these transfers, set by the government. The FFL will get a portion of that tax. So the FFL won't have the final say in what the private seller/buyer will pay.

it's a great law

You think they won't just add that tax onto what they already charge? I mean, they are charging $420 or more per hour. When a shop will do that, I can't see them dropping to where they only pocket $20 on a transfer (or whatever it is).

[dbcooper]

Originally Posted by CampingJosh

You think they won't just add that tax onto what they already charge? I mean, they are charging $420 or more per hour. When a shop will do that, I can't see them dropping to where they only pocket $20 on a transfer (or whatever it is).

page 14 of the bill says it will establish a "maximum fee that can be charged by the licencees"

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...-113s374rs.pdf

and you know good and well, they will all charge the maximum fee allowed by law

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by dbcooper

page 14 of the bill says it will establish a "maximum fee that can be charged by the licencees"

It says that the Attorney General will establish the maximum fee via regulation. I can see Holder setting the maximum at something like $15,000. Got to remember, there are some shops that use a percentage of assessed value to determine their fee, and there are plenty of nice guns with six-digit values.

I can't see the maximum fee being set at something like $30.

[Zhurh]

Cruz sure is a mover & shaker, I dvr'd his speech and have showed it to some of the local Indians; they were even impressed.

He was on a show today called "Uncommon Knowledge". They asked him what has he really noticed about D.C. in his short couple months of being there. He said that it wasn't the devision between Repubs & Dems in D.C. It was the D.C. Elites and how they were growing their power for their own personal reasons & gain; unreal but ya know it's the complete truth. He did say that there were some congressmen in D.C. that were trying to stop the elites with conservative principals but it was going to be a real battle.

I bet we don't hear about 1/10 of the corruption that permeates Wash D.C.

Cruz really got me payin attention when he speaks up, more than any other political. The sad thing is that they will come after him like they did Palin. Only so much abuse you can take before your family is affected and you back off I do believe. Palin resigned as Governor over all the joke ethics violations that she was forced to defend herself against, $$$$$ out of her pocket to pay lawyers too. In the end every violation was found without merit, all 25 of them filed by Dem activists. When she resigned to end the personal expense & her inability to be effective, then they all called her a quitter. You watch the same people come after Cruz.

[bumblebee]

Originally Posted by GunnyGene

Be not deceived. They are all politicians. While they may espouse (for now) what you like to hear, know that they are still first and foremost politicians, and they are not immune from those things that politicians are concerned with. Skepticism is a virtue.

Brings to mind something I heard or read..."When the Poo hits the fan and all around starts to crumble, the true character of a man is revealed."