Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot - Page 2 - The Firearms Forum

jack404 · 01-08-2011, 06:24 PM

PBS ( USA ) on digital TV here in Australia stated the shooter was a teaparty member .. no he was not ,, the spin is starting folks , pass the word , they are going to use this to grab guns

22shot · 01-08-2011, 06:31 PM

Thanks; jack404.

As I try and sort this event out; ( the Why) your input from down under is not taken lighty.

jack404 · 01-08-2011, 06:40 PM

try this one

http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/my-co...ttempt-on-her/

seems there where many who hated her ( the shot political lady ) for voting against pelosi and stateing "she is dead to me" about the shot political lady

BobMcG · 01-08-2011, 07:21 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110109/...resswoman_shot

Quote:

Originally Posted by From the above Yahoo news article

Giffords has drawn the ire of the right in the last year, especially from politicians like Sarah Palin over her support of the health care bill. It's still not clear if the gunman had the health care debate in mind or was focused on his own unique set of political beliefs as witnessed in the Internet videos.

Law enforcement officials said members of Congress reported 42 cases of threats or violence in the first three months of 2010, nearly three times the 15 cases reported during the same period a year earlier. Nearly all dealt with the health care bill, and Giffords was among the targets.

Giffords' Tucson office was vandalized a few hours after the House voted to approve the health care law in March, with someone either kicking or shooting out a glass door and window. In an interview after the vandalism, Giffords referred to the animosity against her by conservatives. Palin listed Giffords' seat as one of the top "targets" in the midterm elections because of the lawmakers' support for the health care law.

"For example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action," Giffords said in an interview with MSNBC.

Right, I see... so it's entirely possible that it's Sarah Palin's fault. What a load. And to think I was feeling sorry for her. I think I'll still be feeling sorry alright, but only for gun owners.

jack404 · 01-08-2011, 07:43 PM

My take on what i am seeing here is the lady congress woman was shot because she voted against pelosi , not for any other reason but her vote against pelosi....

anything more is spin .. and a trick to carry out a agenda of opportunity

as a add on folks here are calling this guy "The American Martin Bryant"

are we the only ones seeing this, this way ?

RunningOnMT · 01-08-2011, 07:46 PM

Watching the Pima county sheriff's interview just now i can see the spin has already begun. He called out those on the radio and tv who inflame their listeners with their vitriol. So obviously it is Rush Limbaughs fault.

The sheriff also said that Arizona has become a mecca for bigots. Hmm...have been considering a move to AZ myself, not only because of the climate but because of their gun laws, and the peoples stand on illegal immigration, and other issues. Guess I'll have to keep my bigoted butt out of Pima county. Me thinks the sheriff and I wouldn't get along.

22shot · 01-08-2011, 07:50 PM

8:15 Pm

News conference
Sheriff Dupnik
Pima County
Arizona

- 19 people shot
-6 deceased (5 at scene; 9 year old at hospital)
- Rep, Giffords was the target
-There was no exchange of gunfire
-Loking for a second individual
-Belives that shooter was "set off" .

Spin?

hogger129 · 01-08-2011, 08:20 PM

Now that she has been shot she is of course a saint. Forget that she voted for Obamacare, amnesty, and all the other liberal, socialist, and progressive agenda. Yes, what happened was and is sad. She didn't deserve to be shot, but Americans are being pushed into a corner by their representatives and President who are ignoring their will, and forcing what they feel we need on us. When people have no choice, are told what to like, and have no legitimate redress to their grievances, this is what happens.

hogger129 · 01-08-2011, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

Watching the Pima county sheriff's interview just now i can see the spin has already begun. He called out those on the radio and tv who inflame their listeners with their vitriol. So obviously it is Rush Limbaughs fault.

The sheriff also said that Arizona has become a mecca for bigots. Hmm...have been considering a move to AZ myself, not only because of the climate but because of their gun laws, and the peoples stand on illegal immigration, and other issues. Guess I'll have to keep my bigoted butt out of Pima county. Me thinks the sheriff and I wouldn't get along.

I'd say California is and has been the mecca for bigots. Take their gun laws for example.

I found it silly that everybody lost sight of the gunman himself and rushed to blame it on right-wingers/conservatives and the Tea Party.

22shot · 01-08-2011, 08:44 PM

Hey jack404

Who is (was?) Martin Bryant? I'm interested...

jack404 · 01-08-2011, 08:52 PM

the guy who commited a shooting that resulted in the first gun buy back ( before taking guns offa folks here in Australia)

forrunner of the later gun control legislation .. he's the wack job that was used as the excuse to disarm 5 million aussies

22shot · 01-08-2011, 09:08 PM

Jack404

Y'know; you may have something there.

As you know; I was in Australia a while back; were we (U.S.Military) recieved one hell of a welcome.

It's refreshing to get a valid viewpoint from that part of this world; I appreciate it.

Seems like we are all in this crap together.

jack404 · 01-08-2011, 09:37 PM

Its a global fight mate , just the EU, UK and Oz are a tad in front ( on the UN /sociaist agenda) but notice the USA catching up 15 years since obama came to DC ..

watch it you'll over take us in about a year if it keeps going as it is

i used to host US service folks when they came to Sydney , , but i'm a tad far from there to be on the list now pity , this is a great area to bring folks for R&R

i look forward to getting the stupidity out of all this and getting back to taking US service folks out chasing Roo's and such once again ..

22shot · 01-09-2011, 11:43 AM

I think there are some members in here who are still trying to get their heads around this (including me).

Buckle up.

The events of yesterday are real; you can't recall the bullets; you can't put a "spin" on it.
19 people were shot by this gun owner ( he purchased it legally); 6 fatalities; including a 9 year old girl.
Better pray the Congesswoman doesn't die.

I know there are those among us who say "she got what she deserved".

What about the other 18; including the 9 year old girl? Colateral damage?

If that's the way you feel; be sure to avoid confronting me at all cost.

As gun owners; we will be subject to some sort of "payback'; you can bet your ass on that; Remember the "Brady Bill"?
This guy targeted the Congresswoman and then cotinued to blast away; killing; including the 9 year old; untill he was tackled. Somebody's going to want some "payback" including me.

That's real; no "spin".

We will all suffer because this idiot was set off.

Buckle up.

Blue Tiger · 01-09-2011, 12:25 PM

That Tuscon sheriff is quite the mindless ranter. The reactionary, ultra-leftist media wackos are doing mindless ranting themselves, as would be expected, callously exploiting the situation and blaming the incident on right-wing radio broadcasters, the Tea Party, free speech, and self-defense.

It is especially heart-breaking and tragic that a 9-year-old girl perished.

Giffords was a middle-roader and it seems she is miraculously surviving. Hopefully she will make a full recovery.

Loughner may have planned to commit suicide but was tackled. He was against abuse of the language but he made grammatical errors and for "implying mind control" he probably meant "imposing". He was quite incoherent. If he was so mentally disturbed and had priors why was he allowed to have a gun? And if there were threats on her life and proir attacks why did she not have any security? This may have been allowed to happen.

ofitg · 01-09-2011, 01:06 PM

The authorities are being secretive about Loughner's motives, at least so far, but both the Pima Co. Sheriff and the FBI Director have made remarks about "hate speech" on the Internet. Not a good sign.

They are still looking for that 50-ish guy who was photographed in the Safeway store.... with each hour that goes by, it seems less and less likely that he was just an innocent passer-by. Hasn't he seen the news? Why hasn't he contacted the authorities?

RunningOnMT · 01-09-2011, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Tiger

That Tuscon sheriff is quite the mindless ranter. The reactionary, ultra-leftist media wackos are doing mindless ranting themselves, as would be expected, callously exploiting the situation and blaming the incident on right-wing radio broadcasters, the Tea Party, free speech, and self-defense.

It is especially heart-breaking and tragic that a 9-year-old girl perished.

Giffords was a middle-roader and it seems she is miraculously surviving. Hopefully she will make a full recovery.

Loughner may have planned to commit suicide but was tackled. He was against abuse of the language but he made grammatical errors and for "implying mind control" he probably meant "imposing". He was quite incoherent. If he was so mentally disturbed and had priors why was he allowed to have a gun? And if there were threats on her life and proir attacks why did she not have any security? This may have been allowed to happen.

+1 I agree.

22shot · 01-09-2011, 02:48 PM

Am following this on cable news...

The media is having a feild day with this event; it's hard to discern the truth from rumor; I imagine the "social networks" on the "web" are going crazy.

The person of interest has been found and cleared; he just happned to be on the stores' video at the wrong time.

The fall out of this event is just beginning; and some politicians are already frantically backpeddling (MSNBC meet the press); trying to distance themselves.

One Congressman reminded the others of a statement made at a Tea Party rally in Pima County "If the Ballot doesn't work; we will use Bullets!"
That was Gillfords' district.
The crosshairs tageting these and other districts have been removed on Palins' website.

It doesn't take a professor to see where this may go.

I hope the FBI investigation currently underway will clear this up; without predjudice.

Congress is now efectively shut down.

Shooter45 · 01-09-2011, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 22shot

I think there are some members in here who are still trying to get their heads around this (including me).

Buckle up.

The events of yesterday are real; you can't recall the bullets; you can't put a "spin" on it.
19 people were shot by this gun owner ( he purchased it legally); 6 fatalities; including a 9 year old girl.
Better pray the Congesswoman doesn't die.

I know there are those among us who say "she got what she deserved".

What about the other 18; including the 9 year old girl? Colateral damage?

If that's the way you feel; be sure to avoid confronting me at all cost.

As gun owners; we will be subject to some sort of "payback'; you can bet your ass on that; Remember the "Brady Bill"?
This guy targeted the Congresswoman and then cotinued to blast away; killing; including the 9 year old; untill he was tackled. Somebody's going to want some "payback" including me.

That's real; no "spin".

We will all suffer because this idiot was set off.

Buckle up.

22short, where are you coming up with this ???

" I know there are those among us who say "she got what she deserved".

After re reading this thread several times, I haven't seen this anywhere. Exactly what are you trying to say....or start ?

RunningOnMT · 01-09-2011, 05:08 PM

I wondered the same thing Shooter45. In all the time I have been a participant on TFF no one has given me the impression they would think such a thing.

We all can get riled up by politicians in general when their actions threaten our constitution and our way of life, but other than being willing to defend those rights with the force of arms if necessary, no one here desires or condones wanton acts of violence like the one that occured yesterday.

jacksonco · 01-09-2011, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 22shot

I think there are some members in here who are still trying to get their heads around this (including me).

Buckle up.

The events of yesterday are real; you can't recall the bullets; you can't put a "spin" on it.
19 people were shot by this gun owner ( he purchased it legally); 6 fatalities; including a 9 year old girl.
Better pray the Congesswoman doesn't die.

I know there are those among us who say "she got what she deserved".
What about the other 18; including the 9 year old girl? Colateral damage?

If that's the way you feel; be sure to avoid confronting me at all cost.

As gun owners; we will be subject to some sort of "payback'; you can bet your ass on that; Remember the "Brady Bill"?
This guy targeted the Congresswoman and then cotinued to blast away; killing; including the 9 year old; untill he was tackled. Somebody's going to want some "payback" including me.

That's real; no "spin".

We will all suffer because this idiot was set off.

Buckle up.

22shot how about backing up these inflamatory claims you are making with some facts. Who on this forum has ever wished harm come to anyone in the political arena because of philosophical differences. Your statement does nothing but provided those that wish to disarm our sociaty and to take away our 2nd Ammendment rights more logs to throw onto the fire. If you have nothing productive to add to our discussions it may be better that you keep quiet.

ofitg · 01-09-2011, 05:44 PM

I'm glad to hear they ruled out the possibility of an accomplice.

I read that Loughner doesn't have a lawyer yet - since Jodge Roll was killed, the local U.S. Attorney wants to bring in a lawyer from another district. Perhaps the authorities haven't disclosed Loughner's motive because they just don't know - Loughner might have requested a lawyer - and that would be the end of the conversation.

22shot · 01-09-2011, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

Heard on Fox that Congresswoman Gifford is a gun owner herself and supporter of the 2nd amendment. I hope this doesn't change her mind.

To whom it may concern:

Shooter45 questions my statement in his last post.

I cannot direct him to any specific "those" anywhere on TFF; but I could highlight many who distain our President.
All are openly hostile; as long as no actions are taken; they are simply voicing their opinion.

Since this is the Internet; and this is a public site on it; it stands to reason that "there are those who etc; etc.." among those posting here. To believe otherwise is; dare I say; moyphic?

That "statement" voiced my opinoion.

To "read" anything else into that statement is your option.

By the way, how do you "read" the above quote? Is it funny?

Shooter45 · 01-09-2011, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 22shot

To whom it may concern:

Shooter45 questions my statement in his last post.

I cannot direct him to any specific "those" anywhere on TFF; but I could highlight many who distain our President.
All are openly hostile; as long as no actions are taken; they are simply voicing their opinion.

Since this is the Internet; and this is a public site on it; it stands to reason that "there are those who etc; etc.." among those posting here. To believe otherwise is; dare I say; moyphic?

That "statement" voiced my opinoion.

To "read" anything else into that statement is your option.

By the way, how do you "read" the above quote? Is it funny?

I didn't think we had any of "those" here at TFF. You were wrong to make that blanket statement about the members of TFF. And I didn't use an option
to understand what you meant.

This is the internet, but we are privately owned, not public.

As to the above quote, What are you reading into that ? I see nothing funny about the statement. It makes perfect sense to me and many others.

jack404 · 01-09-2011, 06:55 PM

sadly i HAVE seen a numbver of "she deserved it" but let me make this absolutely clear , the only ones i have seen this are saying it due to her changed support for pelosi and some programs , she was pro 2nd amendment and pro obozocare "with changes" ( from her own writings , i do not know what changes she spoke of , ) , and copped a pasting from the liberal left for it , and it is only from the liberal left do i see such comments

and those mostly on social networking sites

I have seen no crass rmarks from any of the tea party sites
nor American defance league nor US Defence League , not any of the militia sites i attend , I did see what was the result of a post by a non member ( troll) who posted a remark that was removed in minutes and the admin of the site warned people if anyone posted anything similar they would be removed perminantly from the site ..

again only the left are making up the lies and crass remarks so far , the right , we'll they are like most of use here trying to figure the facts from the BS

I for one am glad this site is the way it is , i have seen a couple posts i think are trollish but it is a free planet too and my thoughts do not rule nuthing but me .. and thats the way it aught to be , i may not like all i see written but i'll defend folks rights to say it even if i think they need a kick in the pants , if it is not against the national or international good , i wont complain, but i reserve the right to counter argue and shall do so if i can back up my side and know what i say is correct and , honestly .. if i'm in the mood , which sadly i am not .. theres been too much BS about all this , i'll post facts and leave it to others to decide

the latest facts i have is this

http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2

this is the congress ladies youtube site , you'll notice the only 2 subscribers are another politician and the attempted killer

he signed on and subcribed 57 minutes after the KOS article was published and he was a subscriber to that and got the email notices for that site

the rest ?

speculation , but my speculation is this leftists nutjob got upset about the congress lady voting against pelosi and more of obama's BS and then acted , to protect the leftist ideals he loved from the current administration and their ilk ..

May The Good Lord Bless us all and I pray he will show the truth in all of this and we can all get on with fixing our respective nations ( and that the left do not use this as a excuse to grab guns) ..

01-08-2011, 06:24 PM	#26
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot PBS ( USA ) on digital TV here in Australia stated the shooter was a teaparty member .. no he was not ,, the spin is starting folks , pass the word , they are going to use this to grab guns

01-08-2011, 06:31 PM	#27
22shot V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: U.S.of A. Posts: 376	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot Thanks; jack404. As I try and sort this event out; ( the Why) your input from down under is not taken lighty.

01-08-2011, 06:40 PM	#28
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot try this one http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/my-co...ttempt-on-her/ seems there where many who hated her ( the shot political lady ) for voting against pelosi and stateing "she is dead to me" about the shot political lady

01-08-2011, 07:43 PM	#30
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot My take on what i am seeing here is the lady congress woman was shot because she voted against pelosi , not for any other reason but her vote against pelosi.... anything more is spin .. and a trick to carry out a agenda of opportunity as a add on folks here are calling this guy "The American Martin Bryant" are we the only ones seeing this, this way ? Last edited by jack404; 01-08-2011 at 07:55 PM..

01-08-2011, 07:46 PM	#31
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot Watching the Pima county sheriff's interview just now i can see the spin has already begun. He called out those on the radio and tv who inflame their listeners with their vitriol. So obviously it is Rush Limbaughs fault. The sheriff also said that Arizona has become a mecca for bigots. Hmm...have been considering a move to AZ myself, not only because of the climate but because of their gun laws, and the peoples stand on illegal immigration, and other issues. Guess I'll have to keep my bigoted butt out of Pima county. Me thinks the sheriff and I wouldn't get along. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

01-08-2011, 07:50 PM	#32
22shot V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: U.S.of A. Posts: 376	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot 8:15 Pm News conference Sheriff Dupnik Pima County Arizona - 19 people shot -6 deceased (5 at scene; 9 year old at hospital) - Rep, Giffords was the target -There was no exchange of gunfire -Loking for a second individual -Belives that shooter was "set off" . Spin? Last edited by 22shot; 01-08-2011 at 08:44 PM..

01-08-2011, 08:20 PM	#33
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,064	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot Now that she has been shot she is of course a saint. Forget that she voted for Obamacare, amnesty, and all the other liberal, socialist, and progressive agenda. Yes, what happened was and is sad. She didn't deserve to be shot, but Americans are being pushed into a corner by their representatives and President who are ignoring their will, and forcing what they feel we need on us. When people have no choice, are told what to like, and have no legitimate redress to their grievances, this is what happens. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can." Last edited by hogger129; 01-08-2011 at 08:22 PM..

01-08-2011, 08:44 PM	#35
22shot V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: U.S.of A. Posts: 376	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot Hey jack404 Who is (was?) Martin Bryant? I'm interested...

01-08-2011, 08:52 PM	#36
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot the guy who commited a shooting that resulted in the first gun buy back ( before taking guns offa folks here in Australia) forrunner of the later gun control legislation .. he's the wack job that was used as the excuse to disarm 5 million aussies

01-08-2011, 09:08 PM	#37
22shot V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: U.S.of A. Posts: 376	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot Jack404 Y'know; you may have something there. As you know; I was in Australia a while back; were we (U.S.Military) recieved one hell of a welcome. It's refreshing to get a valid viewpoint from that part of this world; I appreciate it. Seems like we are all in this crap together. Last edited by 22shot; 01-08-2011 at 09:11 PM..

01-08-2011, 09:37 PM	#38
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot Its a global fight mate , just the EU, UK and Oz are a tad in front ( on the UN /sociaist agenda) but notice the USA catching up 15 years since obama came to DC .. watch it you'll over take us in about a year if it keeps going as it is i used to host US service folks when they came to Sydney , , but i'm a tad far from there to be on the list now pity , this is a great area to bring folks for R&R i look forward to getting the stupidity out of all this and getting back to taking US service folks out chasing Roo's and such once again ..

01-09-2011, 11:43 AM	#39
22shot V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: U.S.of A. Posts: 376	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot I think there are some members in here who are still trying to get their heads around this (including me). Buckle up. The events of yesterday are real; you can't recall the bullets; you can't put a "spin" on it. 19 people were shot by this gun owner ( he purchased it legally); 6 fatalities; including a 9 year old girl. Better pray the Congesswoman doesn't die. I know there are those among us who say "she got what she deserved". What about the other 18; including the 9 year old girl? Colateral damage? If that's the way you feel; be sure to avoid confronting me at all cost. As gun owners; we will be subject to some sort of "payback'; you can bet your ass on that; Remember the "Brady Bill"? This guy targeted the Congresswoman and then cotinued to blast away; killing; including the 9 year old; untill he was tackled. Somebody's going to want some "payback" including me. That's real; no "spin". We will all suffer because this idiot was set off. Buckle up. Last edited by 22shot; 01-09-2011 at 11:57 AM..

01-09-2011, 12:25 PM	#40
Blue Tiger V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Quebec Posts: 57	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot That Tuscon sheriff is quite the mindless ranter. The reactionary, ultra-leftist media wackos are doing mindless ranting themselves, as would be expected, callously exploiting the situation and blaming the incident on right-wing radio broadcasters, the Tea Party, free speech, and self-defense. It is especially heart-breaking and tragic that a 9-year-old girl perished. Giffords was a middle-roader and it seems she is miraculously surviving. Hopefully she will make a full recovery. Loughner may have planned to commit suicide but was tackled. He was against abuse of the language but he made grammatical errors and for "implying mind control" he probably meant "imposing". He was quite incoherent. If he was so mentally disturbed and had priors why was he allowed to have a gun? And if there were threats on her life and proir attacks why did she not have any security? This may have been allowed to happen. __________________ Political "correctness," shows that "liberal left" is an oxymoron.

01-09-2011, 01:06 PM	#41
ofitg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,447	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot The authorities are being secretive about Loughner's motives, at least so far, but both the Pima Co. Sheriff and the FBI Director have made remarks about "hate speech" on the Internet. Not a good sign. They are still looking for that 50-ish guy who was photographed in the Safeway store.... with each hour that goes by, it seems less and less likely that he was just an innocent passer-by. Hasn't he seen the news? Why hasn't he contacted the authorities?

01-09-2011, 02:48 PM	#43
22shot V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: U.S.of A. Posts: 376	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot Am following this on cable news... The media is having a feild day with this event; it's hard to discern the truth from rumor; I imagine the "social networks" on the "web" are going crazy. The person of interest has been found and cleared; he just happned to be on the stores' video at the wrong time. The fall out of this event is just beginning; and some politicians are already frantically backpeddling (MSNBC meet the press); trying to distance themselves. One Congressman reminded the others of a statement made at a Tea Party rally in Pima County "If the Ballot doesn't work; we will use Bullets!" That was Gillfords' district. The crosshairs tageting these and other districts have been removed on Palins' website. It doesn't take a professor to see where this may go. I hope the FBI investigation currently underway will clear this up; without predjudice. Congress is now efectively shut down. Last edited by 22shot; 01-09-2011 at 02:55 PM..

01-09-2011, 05:08 PM	#45
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot I wondered the same thing Shooter45. In all the time I have been a participant on TFF no one has given me the impression they would think such a thing. We all can get riled up by politicians in general when their actions threaten our constitution and our way of life, but other than being willing to defend those rights with the force of arms if necessary, no one here desires or condones wanton acts of violence like the one that occured yesterday. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

01-09-2011, 05:44 PM	#47
ofitg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,447	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot I'm glad to hear they ruled out the possibility of an accomplice. I read that Loughner doesn't have a lawyer yet - since Jodge Roll was killed, the local U.S. Attorney wants to bring in a lawyer from another district. Perhaps the authorities haven't disclosed Loughner's motive because they just don't know - Loughner might have requested a lawyer - and that would be the end of the conversation.

01-09-2011, 06:55 PM	#50
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Another Exploding Package and Congresswoman Shot sadly i HAVE seen a numbver of "she deserved it" but let me make this absolutely clear , the only ones i have seen this are saying it due to her changed support for pelosi and some programs , she was pro 2nd amendment and pro obozocare "with changes" ( from her own writings , i do not know what changes she spoke of , ) , and copped a pasting from the liberal left for it , and it is only from the liberal left do i see such comments and those mostly on social networking sites I have seen no crass rmarks from any of the tea party sites nor American defance league nor US Defence League , not any of the militia sites i attend , I did see what was the result of a post by a non member ( troll) who posted a remark that was removed in minutes and the admin of the site warned people if anyone posted anything similar they would be removed perminantly from the site .. again only the left are making up the lies and crass remarks so far , the right , we'll they are like most of use here trying to figure the facts from the BS I for one am glad this site is the way it is , i have seen a couple posts i think are trollish but it is a free planet too and my thoughts do not rule nuthing but me .. and thats the way it aught to be , i may not like all i see written but i'll defend folks rights to say it even if i think they need a kick in the pants , if it is not against the national or international good , i wont complain, but i reserve the right to counter argue and shall do so if i can back up my side and know what i say is correct and , honestly .. if i'm in the mood , which sadly i am not .. theres been too much BS about all this , i'll post facts and leave it to others to decide the latest facts i have is this http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2 this is the congress ladies youtube site , you'll notice the only 2 subscribers are another politician and the attempted killer he signed on and subcribed 57 minutes after the KOS article was published and he was a subscriber to that and got the email notices for that site the rest ? speculation , but my speculation is this leftists nutjob got upset about the congress lady voting against pelosi and more of obama's BS and then acted , to protect the leftist ideals he loved from the current administration and their ilk .. May The Good Lord Bless us all and I pray he will show the truth in all of this and we can all get on with fixing our respective nations ( and that the left do not use this as a excuse to grab guns) ..