500 VS 50AE

[JLA]

the .50 GI is neat, I might get one some day.

[gendoikari87]

Originally Posted by JLA

The desert eagle was developed my IMI israel for israeli miltary special forces, its initial purpose was an all out manstopper that would be effective even when the man being shot with it was wearing body armor, they were imported by magnum research and offered to the hunting market, the newest edition to the desert eagle family had scope mounts milled right into the barrel as well as an option for a 10 incher. It is a very effective round against anything 2 or 4 legged.

The desert eagle is not market as a 'gangsta' gun and the 'pimptastic' finishes were only recently offered (say within the last decade), and the desert eagle has been arount since the early 80s.

for hunting purposes, both the .50AE and the .500 mag will blow a giant hole clean through most anything on the planet, where the .500 bests the .50 is in bullet weights, the .500 is capable of much heavier bullets because overall cartridge length isnt as much of an issue in a revolver as it is in an autoloader.

shooting long range, you really dont need an extreme amount of muzzle velocity, what you need is the right equipment and skill. The .50bmg is capable of extreme accuracy at 1.5 miles, and the round isnt going but 2600 fps or so from the muzzle, what makes it a superb long range round is its extremely high BC and extremely stable platform and of course shooter skill, without which the best of equipment is merely a well oiled club...

the .308 winchester is capable of 1/2 MOA at 1000 yds, and again the proper projectile has an extremely high BC and muzzle velocity is around 2600 fps,

Your .223 WSSM is a super fast hunting round, not a target round. The problem with small light projectiles is they lose velocity very quickly and are more affected by conditions (i.e. wind, temperature, and atmospheric pressures) all of which drasically effect long range accuracy.

My advice to you, if you indeed wish to try long range target shooting, is to do alot of research and find a range that accomodates 600+. youll quickly find your .223WSSM is not the best for long distance precision. Id be willing to bet you find yourself behind a quality .308 or something similar.

well the gun I want the most is a Kel-tec RFB (once they get that 24" barrel version out) and it only comes in .308. Also my fiancee' seems content on convincing me to join the police with the end goal of being a police sniper or ballistics expert.

[JLA]

I wouldnt expect 2 MOA accuracy from a kel-tec, great for 50 yd plinkin, not so much for 500 yd groups...

A modular plastic autoloader isnt what you need to 'draw pictures' at 200 yds... a trued, properly fitted, heavy barreled bolt action is the ticket to '2 bullets in the same hole'

[mesinge2]

Originally Posted by JLA

the .50 GI is neat, I might get one some day.

I've wanted one for years. However, every time I get close to buying one I think that $3000 for a Guncrafter .50 GI 1911 equals three .45 ACP Colt 1911s without taking into account the cost of a good supply of ammo and new reloading equipment.


And all this for a marginal improvement in balistics

[JLA]

exactly, personally id rather have the 3 new .45s

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by gendoikari87

I meant I thought it was based on the .45acp, but looking at it now, it's not just wider, it's also a bit longer. it still doesn't impress me much, the .45acp is all your ever going to need to take anyone down. making your firearm more massive is going to slow you down. A bad place to be in a gun fight. However on the other hand if you are using it as a fun/project/hunting gun, thats a different story, one where the .500 beats it hands down.

Well the idea of "perceived stopping power" just makes me cringe. The idea that a .45ACP will stop someone easier than say a 9x19 Luger is not true at all. It all depends on shot placement. A headshot from a .22LR can kill just as easily as a headshot from a .357 Magnum, etc, etc. .45ACP is a lower energy, heavier bullet and so it tends to spend all its energy on the first thing it hits, as opposed to 9x19 Luger or .40 S&W which are high energy and have more of a tendency to penetrate deeper.

So for what it is, it's overkill, compared to the .500, its anemic. Still a cool round but one relegated to just being a fun at the range round. I still prefer my .22lr though. can shoot a lot more for half the price.

Cool concept but like that .95 jdj rifle someone posted, not my cup of tea, I like a higher velocity, not just high energy. I'd like to see a mach 5 cartridge, but untill then i'm stuck with my .220 swifts and .223 WSSM.

I wouldn't say it's totally useless. Makes a good gun for medium to large game hunting.

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by gendoikari87

well the gun I want the most is a Kel-tec RFB (once they get that 24" barrel version out) and it only comes in .308. Also my fiancee' seems content on convincing me to join the police with the end goal of being a police sniper or ballistics expert.

I want one of those LWRC rifles. I guess it's like the AR15, but gas-piston operated more like the H&K HK416 and HK417.

Another one I've always wanted is a Springfield M1-A NM.

[gendoikari87]

I wouldn't say it's totally useless. Makes a good gun for medium to large game hunting.

Except you can't really take it hunting, you'd definately brake something.

[Boris]

Originally Posted by mesinge2

I've wanted one for years. However, every time I get close to buying one I think that $3000 for a Guncrafter .50 GI 1911 equals three .45 ACP Colt 1911s without taking into account the cost of a good supply of ammo and new reloading equipment.


And all this for a marginal improvement in balistics

You can get a conversion for a G21 and spend a whole lot less $$

[mesinge2]

Originally Posted by Boris

You can get a conversion for a G21 and spend a whole lot less $$

Yeah, but as a 1911 fan. I would always want the 1911 version.

[JLA]

Would be cheaper to build a 1911 in .50 GI... I built the 'hogslayer' (1911 chambered in .460 rowland), which is essentially a wilson hunter ( http://www.wilsoncombat.com/p_4602.htm ), I spent 1100 building mine and the wilson hunter starts at $3650, plus I had alot of fun putting it together...

[TheGunClinger]

Originally Posted by hogger129

Well the idea of "perceived stopping power" just makes me cringe. The idea that a .45ACP will stop someone easier than say a 9x19 Luger is not true at all. It all depends on shot placement. A headshot from a .22LR can kill just as easily as a headshot from a .357 Magnum, etc, etc. .45ACP is a lower energy, heavier bullet and so it tends to spend all its energy on the first thing it hits, as opposed to 9x19 Luger or .40 S&W which are high energy and have more of a tendency to penetrate deeper.



I wouldn't say it's totally useless. Makes a good gun for medium to large game hunting.

I'd like to take you to the range one day and let you experience a not totally useless,50a&e round. I bet that you would feel confident that you could take down just about Any animals on the planet. However if I were as confident as you are about your shot placement I would not worry about my almost totally useless .50 A&E. As most of us are not as accurate as you, I would not depend on the success of headshots. If I hit you anywhere with a .50 you are going down.

[JLA]

^^^ I agree^^^ thats alotta damn bullet at any velocity to be smackin into flesh and not do tons of damage...

[gendoikari87]

Originally Posted by TheGunClinger

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I'd like to take you to the range one day and let you experience a not totally useless,50a&e round. I bet that you would feel confident that you could take down just about Any animals on the planet. However if I were as confident as you are about your shot placement I would not worry about my almost totally useless .50 A&E. As most of us are not as accurate as you, I would not depend on the success of headshots. If I hit you anywhere with a .50 you are going down.

If I hit anyone, anywhere with my dads 9mm or .45 they are going down. THV's HURT. Tested it on a watermelon, looked like we had stuck an M80 in it. I'd still like to get that .357 magnum and grab some THV's for that.

[Boris]

Originally Posted by mesinge2

Yeah, but as a 1911 fan. I would always want the 1911 version.

I am a Glock fan. That will not stop me from getting a 1911 in 10mm someday though. I tried to like large frame Glocks. Not even the so called SF frames fancy me.

If your paws are big enough a conversion slide for a G20 or G21 should not stop a shooting fan. There is just too many after market parts to tweek a Glock to over look one IMO.

A G21 also makes for an easy 45 Super conversion. I know a guy that puts heavy spring in his and like magic, he has a cheap 45 Super.

45ACP, 45 Super and 50GI all in one..........

[dragman]

To answer your 600 yard questions I would need to know bullet size. 257 Weatherby is pretty nasty and the 264 win mag with hand loads is proof that 2+2=7. In larger dia I would go with a 30-378 Weatherby maybe.

[dragman]

Originally Posted by Boris

I am a Glock fan. That will not stop me from getting a 1911 in 10mm someday though. I tried to like large frame Glocks. Not even the so called SF frames fancy me.

If your paws are big enough a conversion slide for a G20 or G21 should not stop a shooting fan. There is just too many after market parts to tweek a Glock to over look one IMO.

A G21 also makes for an easy 45 Super conversion. I know a guy that puts heavy spring in his and like magic, he has a cheap 45 Super.

45ACP, 45 Super and 50GI all in one..........

I too love the 1911! I have a 10mm Kimber Eclipse on order it will be here early spring I think. twin glock 20's with one in 50 GI would be kinda sweet.

[TheGunClinger]

I had never heard of a .50 GI til Dragman started this thread. Learn something new every day.

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by TheGunClinger

I had never heard of a .50 GI til Dragman started this thread. Learn something new every day.

Same here. Never heard of them until I read a book on 1911s that one of my friends had.

[dragman]

Here she is!

[JLA]

very nice drag!

[gendoikari87]

That's a short barrel on that revolver, at least for the caliber. Bet it looks like a dragon when it fires. Love the compensator. Most of the .500s have really nice looking compensators. Probably the only revolvers that I personally consider cool.

[dragman]

Originally Posted by gendoikari87

That's a short barrel on that revolver, at least for the caliber. Bet it looks like a dragon when it fires. Love the compensator. Most of the .500s have really nice looking compensators. Probably the only revolvers that I personally consider cool.

I picked the short barrel for 2 reasons:
1. it is my big nasty play toy! haha and I will not be making it a primary hunting tool. I want a long barrel 460 S&W for long range pistol shooting.
2. The shorter the barrel on Handguns the more they are usually worth down the road. at least thats what I have seen.

[gendoikari87]

ah, a good choice then. The shorter the barrel on a gun for the caliber, at least for handguns, makes them more fun. I.E. They have massive fireballs when you fire. OR at least i imagine a short barreled .500 would.

[JLA]

I like my shorty, though it pales in comparison to the mighty .500, but itll still belch 240 grains of lead out at 1200 fps...