Obomba birth certificate NEW news.

[seward]

Did somebody say "participate in this discussion in an intelligent way??"

Hawaii was invented for an Elvis movie.

There IS no Hawaii.

Don't YOU SEE??
"WE CAN ALL BE FREE-RANGE CHICKENS!!!""

RISE UP!!!! SECOND AMENDMENT SOLUTIONS!!!!

[Double D]

Originally Posted by Bobitis

hmmm...

Yea, we have seen those. I am talking about the real birth certificate (or maybe a fake document)

[Bobitis]

Originally Posted by Double D

Yea, we have seen those. I am talking about the real birth certificate (or maybe a fake document)

At least the Kenyan one has a signature and a raised seal on it.

I don't have a 'birth certificate'. I have a 'certification of live birth'. I honestly don't know what the difference is that some folks claim exists. My cert has several names on it and a signature. Vastly more info than the Hawaiian version of Obies. And even though it's been laminated, the raised seal is quite noticable.

There's no signature on Obies BC, no mention of the attending Dr., and no apparant notary seal. Just a claim that it's proof. NO one is signing off on this.

Sorry, but ain't buying it.

[Marlin T]

That would be correct. Now we have TWO Hawaiian state officials saying that it ISN'T there.

If this isn't enough evidence for a Subpoena I don't know what is.
All of this does not matter though, the SCOTUS will not hear this case for some reason. I don't get it.

[Old Guy]

It irritates me that people keep saying give up the fight!!!! My kids had to have a proper certification of live birth to play little league ball for goodness sake!! Why is it too much to ask of someone who want to be or now is the President? It was OK to question John McCain's birth in the Panama Canal Zone so why can't we get the real answer from Obama. Heck, we don't even know anything about his college or anything else about his life. Good bad or otherwise we knew everything about George Bush. This does matter and even if it is after he gets ousted in 2012 it needs to be brought up as a fraudulent act per the Constitution!! And yes it bothers me that everyone in Washington seems to ignore the point. I guess they are all complicit regardless of party affiliation. After all, they have more than proven that they are in it for themselves. That is why "We the People" must not give up and become complacent as this plays directly into their hands.

[GunHugger]

Originally Posted by rentalguy1

The man was not born in the states...period! If he was, his camp would have produced a legal birth certificate a long time ago to shut up the masses. He was a half rate senator from IL that got noticed some time ago by the Soros goons, and was groomed from there to be "put" in the White House. He is there for a reason, and we are seeing it unfold on a daily basis. You can choose to believe it and prepare, or you can believe that this is just politics as usual. If the latter is your line of thought, please tell me anything that is "usual" about his presidency...

I agree with this.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by Marlin T

That would be correct. Now we have TWO Hawaiian state officials saying that it ISN'T there.

If this isn't enough evidence for a Subpoena I don't know what is.
All of this does not matter though, the SCOTUS will not hear this case for some reason. I don't get it.

Its called "GEORGE SOROS". Believe it or not. This man has the power to do whatever he wishes which was evident in bozos election. They strong arm EVERYBODY that wont conform and will use anything and everything at their disposal, to include physical injury. Yes, his money and power reach into the legal system and dictate. How else could an unknown person that is muslim and not a citizen, rise to the top and secure the pres. position while recieving more funding than ANY other political figure in the history of mankind? And without following any of the rules? And refusing to report where the funding came from? I would wager mob money (soros again) and terrorist money and who knows where else. Certainly wasnt from all of his welfare supporters. Yes, Soros is the most dangerous man in America......

[Artemus]

Maybe if enough folks are not satisfied about the birth cert. concerne,they will go to the polls and vote Obama out.The only problem is it appears the majority of the voters just don't care about it.Caring about anything takes away time for cell phoning and text messaging.

[ozo]

Our cause is just. Our union is perfect. Our internal resources are great, and, if necessary, foreign assistance is undoubtedly attainable. — We gratefully acknowledge, as signal instances of the Divine favour towards us, that his Providence would not permit us to be called into this severe controversy, until we were grown up to our present strength, had been previously exercised in warlike operation, and possessed of the means of defending ourselves. With hearts fortified with these animating reflections, we most solemnly, before God and the world, declare, that, exerting the utmost energy of those powers, which our beneficent Creator hath graciously bestowed upon us, the arms we have been compelled by our enemies to assume, we will, in defiance of every hazard, with unabating firmness and perseverence, employ for the preservation of our liberties; being with one mind resolved to die freemen rather than to live slaves.
-Thomas Jefferson

We live in a time simply of history repeating itself. Power, greed, tyranny,.....
There are sheeple all around us, simple minds that follow only, incapable of leading.
We flock here because of commonality in our beliefs, and some may construe that no different than the ignorant sheeple, but I disagree. Different today than before in history we have many more people on this planet, BUT we have a greater means of communication, capable of reaching ALL of the masses in an instant.
We must remain unified for the cause, educated and clear in our motives, respectful, and persevere in a manner that our founding fathers would approve.

[RunningOnMT]

It would appear we have among us either a natural born idiot or one who has diligently strove for the title, presumably with the assistance of illegal substances. I dare not call him out lest his posts become more frequent. One only hopes that he draws the frequent attention of moderators.

[Bobitis]

You mean the 'former guest'?

[RunningOnMT]

Oh wow, I hadn't noticed that. Yeah, that's who I meant.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

Oh wow, I hadn't noticed that. Yeah, that's who I meant.

+1

[Prizefighter]

That brought a smile to my face.

[GunHugger]

Or....

He really does have one but he is listed as "white" on it.

[Marlin T]

HI backtracks on the story, you know one of those ummhmmm; What I meant to say was...

BACKTRACK: Now Hawaii won't release birth info...

[OcelotZ3]

If you want to participate in these discussions, then do so in an intelligent manner.

I vote this the most ironic statement of this "discussion".

The previous governor of Hawaii was a Republican. If it was legal for her to release anything different than the Certificate of Live Birth, don't you think she would have? Heck, she is good friends with Sarah Palin for crying out loud!

The current governor was an idiot thinking he could just waltz in there and release it to the world... It's against the law. He definitely didn't put his brain in gear before opening his mouth.

If the Republican establishment really thought there was an iota of truth behind this, wouldn't you think they would have screamed bloody murder? I mean, really.

You guys spout of George Soros "funding the anti-birther campaign", yet he is just one guy. I'm sure the Koch brothers could supply more funds if they really thought there was something behind this.

Really, the idea behind this is just ridiculous.

But, hey, whatever floats your boat...

[RunningOnMT]

What's ironic about it?

[gendoikari87]

Originally Posted by OcelotZ3

I vote this the most ironic statement of this "discussion".

The previous governor of Hawaii was a Republican. If it was legal for her to release anything different than the Certificate of Live Birth, don't you think she would have? Heck, she is good friends with Sarah Palin for crying out loud!

The current governor was an idiot thinking he could just waltz in there and release it to the world... It's against the law. He definitely didn't put his brain in gear before opening his mouth.

If the Republican establishment really thought there was an iota of truth behind this, wouldn't you think they would have screamed bloody murder? I mean, really.

You guys spout of George Soros "funding the anti-birther campaign", yet he is just one guy. I'm sure the Koch brothers could supply more funds if they really thought there was something behind this.

Really, the idea behind this is just ridiculous.

But, hey, whatever floats your boat...

Exactly, also. Look at the bottom here, it says it's a COPY, and that it's a valid identification of birth.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by OcelotZ3

I vote this the most ironic statement of this "discussion".

The previous governor of Hawaii was a Republican. If it was legal for her to release anything different than the Certificate of Live Birth, don't you think she would have? Heck, she is good friends with Sarah Palin for crying out loud!

The current governor was an idiot thinking he could just waltz in there and release it to the world... It's against the law. He definitely didn't put his brain in gear before opening his mouth.

If the Republican establishment really thought there was an iota of truth behind this, wouldn't you think they would have screamed bloody murder? I mean, really.

You guys spout of George Soros "funding the anti-birther campaign", yet he is just one guy. I'm sure the Koch brothers could supply more funds if they really thought there was something behind this.

Really, the idea behind this is just ridiculous.

But, hey, whatever floats your boat...

?? Really?? Soros calls the shots in DC. Believe it or not, it doesnt change the facts.

[gendoikari87]

yeah but it doesn't change the fact that the governor couldn't just release it, as it's illegal. Nor does it change the fact that if there really was an iota of truth behind the manufactured rumor, that the GOP would have pounced on it during the whole healthcare debacle and had him impeached.

[ozo]

"Hawaii's privacy laws have long barred the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who doesn't have a tangible interest." -Mark Niesse(Associated Press)

I believe Americans wanting proof of their leaders citizenship is 'tangible interest'.
Any US troop wanting to know the citizenship of his/her Commander-in-Chief
would warrant tangible interest.
Did Abercrombie really know Jobama's parents, or is that also part of the fabrication
to make it look more sincere ?

Some of us on this forum have a Certification of Live Birth also, instead of a 'birth certificate'. Although yours may be from a state other than HI, get it out and examine
it on front, and tell me what all is missing on the front of this copy of O's.
Better yet, maybe between all of us, we can find someone who has one from HI
and put a copy out here for all to see what is really on the face of it.
I believe most will be shocked.

[Bobitis]

So, we have two documents of the matter.
One contains far more information than the other, and is signed and notarized.

My background and schooling is largely mechanical. By brain works in a logical manner. No, I don't have a degree in anything, yet engineers consult me on a regular basis. I don't believe everything that's fed to me.
If it sounds/looks right, I will entertain the thought/concept. If there's any reason for doubt, I will question the matter.

If the HI document is 'shielded by law', where did this copy come from?
Using that reasoning, the document would be a fake. No? Or was it 'leaked'?
That would leave the Kenyan document to stand alone.

My brain tells me the Kenyan document is authentic.

Of course, one person could end all this debate. He chooses not to.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by ozo

Some of us on this forum have a Certification of Live Birth also, instead of a 'birth certificate'. Although yours may be from a state other than HI, get it out and examine
it on front, and tell me what all is missing on the front of this copy of O's.
Better yet, maybe between all of us, we can find someone who has one from HI
and put a copy out here for all to see what is really on the face of it.
I believe most will be shocked.

OK, So why spend over 2 million in legal bills to "protect" it? I think that speaks for itself. His a$$ is outa there next go round. He should be in jail regardless for attempting to sell out the US to the UN and all of his commie friends and associations and his apology tours and spending and need I go on? He should be like EVERYONE else and PROVE without a shadow of a doubt that he is qualified. By the way, I wouldnt expect a liberal to agree with me. I have been down that never ending highway.

[ozo]

I'm with you 100% Double D.
The whole thing stinks to high heaven the last 2.5yrs. There are moments I don't even know where I'm living anymore !!
Aside from the huge BLANK space on the bottom right of his certificate, which isn't blank on the ones I've seen, there would be no reason to even black out the certificate # on the top right, unless......well, if you got caught with a forged document you could be prosecuted, but without the 'serial' number, there's no real forgery.
Sorry, the entire thing drives me CRAZY !! My apologies to all, sincerely.
(I'm just an old Jarhead Capitano, and have been told I am stubborn)

Just one more thing and I promise I will try to leave this alone
On the certificate above here, on this page, about 1" above the word 'invalidate'
and slightly to the right.......what is that in the anti-fraud field?
Look closely, is it a date, backwards, 2007?....bleeding thru from the back?....
I'm done, sorry, time for my medication.........