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[Martin S]

GM went under because of the Unions. The people making the cars were over paid. There benefits are outragest and that put the price of the cars out of reach for many. +1 TeeJay9
Martin

[gendoikari87]

Simply not true, adjusting for inflation wages were higher back in the 60's, and they were thriving then, even when the japanese cars came in (for a time). If anything, blame the extremely bloated wages of the managment, which have grown faster than inflation since the 60's, and that with increased competition.

Unions might be corrupt but at least at the end of the day they are SUPPOSED to have the welfare of everyone involved in mind. The same cannot be said for the executives who by law are required to have the shareholders profits as top priority, above even the public welfare. (refrence cochomba water riots, luv canal, and others.)

[Bobitis]

Me thinks we're getting way off topic at this point.

gendoikari87, you say the Kenyan is a poor fake.
What proof do you have in order to make that claim?

[gendoikari87]

Aside from the glaring inconsistencies with the document itself? The hawiian one checks out, there's several photos of him in hawii, none of the main republicans have said anything about the citizenship after the election indicating it was created as a way of getting people not to vote for him. I'd mentin something about the actual document being released instead of a copy but I don't know kenyan privacy laws.

[Old Guy]

I think that the argument should not be Republican vs. Democrats when it comes to the subject of disclosure. I think that it is the elitists of all ilks that have bought into the "living" Constitution argument that feel that they are above the document because they can interpret it to their own benefit and gain. There are very few of the ones in Washington that can relate to any of us because they are all exceedingly rich, many multimillionaires. They have a different view of life than the average person as a result of their lifestyle. It also appears that once you enter the Washington bubble you will be assimilated into the system, it is just a matter of how long it takes. The pressure and money is too great and the citizen statesman has turned into a carreer path with many lucrative perks. And thus the talk will go on about the Kenyan/Indonesian/American. Would it not be simple to just produce the certificate of live birth that all of us have? Why spend millions to protect all of your personal information unless you have something to hide? Would not attending a college/university as a foreign exchange student blow a hole in the entire defense? Of course it would, so the files are mysteriously sealed to prevent the truth from coming out. This great country was founded on integrity and honesty, something that seems to be woefully lacking today.

[gendoikari87]

Would it not be simple to just produce the certificate of live birth that all of us have?

He already did.

[Bobitis]

Originally Posted by gendoikari87

Aside from the glaring inconsistencies with the document itself? The hawiian one checks out, there's several photos of him in hawii, none of the main republicans have said anything about the citizenship after the election indicating it was created as a way of getting people not to vote for him. I'd mentin something about the actual document being released instead of a copy but I don't know kenyan privacy laws.

That's it?

That's your idea of the truth? Snippets from the MSM and heresay?

You seem so well informed. You seem so well educated. Sorry, but I expected more than that.

[gendoikari87]

well yeah, I mean the hawaiian certificate checks out, and there's records of him at hawaiian schools. Yes, he spent 4 years in indonesia when he was REALLY young, but he wasn't born there.

Now I would like to see certificates of his parents, cause if neither of them were natural born, then HIS certificate should be moot, otherwise any immigrant can come here give birth, go back grow up and go to college abroad, and that kid can come back and become the president, even though he in no way has a steak in american life, and much more so in their homeland. Granted that's not much of a concern with with him as 5th grade on he was in america.

[GunHugger]

Originally Posted by gendoikari87

well yeah, I mean the hawaiian certificate checks out, and there's records of him at hawaiian schools. Yes, he spent 4 years in indonesia when he was REALLY young, but he wasn't born there.

Now I would like to see certificates of his parents, cause if neither of them were natural born, then HIS certificate should be moot, otherwise any immigrant can come here give birth, go back grow up and go to college abroad, and that kid can come back and become the president, even though he in no way has a steak in american life, and much more so in their homeland. Granted that's not much of a concern with with him as 5th grade on he was in america.

You sound like a troll from the DU.

[gendoikari87]

DU?

[OcelotZ3]

Yeah, if you disagree with the premise that Obama isn't an American citizen, you're labeled a troll.

Same ole, same ole...

[howlnmad]

Originally Posted by gendoikari87

well yeah, I mean the hawaiian certificate checks out,

By Hi. certificate, are you refering to the "Certificate of Live Birth" ?

[gendoikari87]

Originally Posted by howlnmad

By Hi. certificate, are you refering to the "Certificate of Live Birth" ?

yes.

In the U.S., the issuance of birth certificates is a State function.[16] The federal government depends upon this state function because birthplace is a determinant of American citizenship.[17][18]

The federal and state governments have traditionally cooperated to some extent to improve vital statistics. From 1900 to 1946 the U.S. Census Bureau designed standard birth certificates, collected vital statistics on a national basis, and generally sought to improve the accuracy of vital statistics. In 1946 that responsibility was passed to the U.S. Public Health Service. Unlike the British system of recording all births in "registers", the states file an individual document for each and every birth. In most states this document is entitled a "Certificate of Live Birth".

Now they will send verification for government applications such as presidency, but no one can just go into one of these buildings and just ask for anyones birth certificate. I'm fairly sure for anyone else to acquire it without the individual asking, they would need a warrant. Seeing as as you can't become president without this verification being sent to the white house, there is no reason for any judge to give out this warrant just to proove it has been done.

The photo, is of a copy the obama team specifically asked for to put an end to this debate. it's not a photo of the original because A) they are several thousand miles away from Hawaii, and B) they don't let you remove the original. They will however make a copy, endorse it, and mail out the copy.

Yeah, if you disagree with the premise that Obama isn't an American citizen, you're labeled a troll.

Same ole, same ole...

Yeah I know, but most liberal websites tend to demonize you the moment you start talking about guns, assuming your trying to kill someone. So forget about there being a whole forum of gun loving liberals, we're kind of a rare breed. Freakin idiots.

[howlnmad]

The "Certificate of Live Birth" is NOT the same as a "Birth Certificate". As far as obtaining the original, I have mine.

[Double D]

Told ya, like beating your head against a brick wall.

[al45lc]

I'm in agreement to Obama NOT being a socialist, he is indeed a fascist.
Obamacare would have us buying insurance with penalties for those who don't, while setting the price and standards to a Govt regulation, all while letting the insurance companies run it (within their regulations) and making a profit, however small.
Just as the Nazis let certain industrial bigwigs keep their jobs and run things, so long as they met the requirements of the state.
It's actually quite smart from a production standpoint, why put a bureaucrat in where a successful industrialist would work better?
By the very definition of economic fascism, it's capitalism with a socialist veneer.
By all standards of definition, Obama IS a fascist. BOTH GM and Obamacare prove it.

[rentalguy1]

Please stop feeding this troll. This person is the epitome of everything that is wrong in this country today. Full of lies, misinformation, and disinformation. It neither understands, logic, reason, law, or economics. The more you respond to it, the more it will post.

[Double D]

Rental, I agree that it is IMPOSSIBLE to reason with liberals. Thats why I just stop posting. They will cry foul here because they are being labeled troll or other names, but really that is nothing more than getting a dose of their own medicine. They have perfected name calling and labels and they spew the same stuff time after time after time. Brick wall is not a fair example since that can crumble after a while. I wont respond anymore. I know I am wasting my time. Oh and I know, its all Bush's fault or no wait, its Palin's fault now isnt it? Whatever..........

[RunningOnMT]

Two points:

First of all there is now a Hawaii election official who has signed a sworn affidavit that there IS NO HOSPITAL GENERATED BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=254401

Secondly, everyone has been focusing on what they feel is a REAL birth certificate, the kind issued by county court houses. That's because under most circumstances, that's the one that counts. However, in this case what's important is that it is proven that he was born in a Hawaii hospital. Having a state issued certificate proves only that for whatever reason a document was issued. A hospital certificate proves that he was actually born in that hospital. However, no hospital has a record of his birth.

You know why I think no one on the court or in congress has officially moved to investigate this? Can you imagine the unprecidented legislative nightmare this would be if it was proven that Obama was not eligible to serve as president, while he's still in office? What would they do? How do you undo every official act the man has performed? Not to mention the loss of credibility at our highest levels of government. I don't think anyone on the hill wants to deal withthe problem. The repercussions are just too far reaching.

[gendoikari87]

The "Certificate of Live Birth" is NOT the same as a "Birth Certificate".

In most states this document is entitled a "Certificate of Live Birth".

Jesus christ people and you call me a brick wall, hypocrites. I'm done arguing with people who have resorted to name calling if you want to reveal yourselves as the low intellegence individuals you are so be it. I'm done.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by gendoikari87

Jesus christ people and you call me a brick wall, hypocrites. I'm done arguing with people who have resorted to name calling if you want to reveal yourselves as the low intellegence individuals you are so be it. I'm done.

Good.

[RunningOnMT]

Originally Posted by gendoikari87

Jesus christ people and you call me a brick wall, hypocrites. I'm done arguing with people who have resorted to name calling if you want to reveal yourselves as the low intellegence individuals you are so be it. I'm done.

Perhaps since you have such a low opinion of the intelligence on this forum, it's the best thing that you are done. Bye bye.

[gendoikari87]

not with the forum, this thread and you two. It's like arguing with 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Proove it six ways to sunday and they still refuse to believe it was muslim extremists.

[cycloneman]

This is very easy to make. It is missing a seal and foot prints of the baby. It is a copy not an original. To me this is a counterfit. I can reproduce this in my kitchen.

[RunningOnMT]

Thank you. Having ones intelligence ranked with DoubleD's is a compliment, even if you are calling us both stupid.