Obomba birth certificate NEW news.

[gendoikari87]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead

I don't believe the burden of proof should rest on the citizenry. Since there is a controversy, Obama should put it to rest by providing evidence of his citizenship. He's avoiding doing so and there must be a reason as to why. If he is a citizen, then what else could he be hiding? An illegitimate birth perhaps? Something else that might be embarrassing but would not negate his qualification based on citizenship?

he already released a copy of his birth certificate what more do you want?

[Old Guy]

That is not his birth certificate!!! Go look at your official certificate of live birth and you will notice a whole lot more information than the pseudo Hawaiian form. Things such as the hospital, the doctors name and signature, etc. The form that you keep showing is what was presented long after the question came up. Also note, there were no laser printers in 1961. There were manual typewriters with different fonts and usually uneven letter placement so you did not have a nice even line. That form is no where near an original form from 1961. Therefore the truth has not been told.

[gendoikari87]

You do realize it's a MODERN copy right.... meaning it was printed off a few months ago. The can't just send the original. It's a certificate of proof valid in most court cases.

Valid Document of known origins (obama requested to end the debate)

OR a seedy semi-legitimate document of unkown origins released by the same person who only weeks earlier released an OBVIOUS fake.

if you really want to believe our new black president isn't legitimate I won't stop you, but you have to admit the evidence is in obamas favor.

and it doesn't have all the info because it's not a scanned copy, government copies for court documents don't work like that, at least mine didn't when I asked for it. It looked pretty much like that one, save for mine actually said birth certificate, but i've already shown that the actual name of the document can vary depending on the state.

[Old Guy]

I never introduced race other than Kenyan which his father was and there is a possibility that Obama is as well. Anyway, he is not black he is mixed race so don't go trying to hang the race card. You obviously do not understand the significance of the issue. It was OK to try to invalidate John McCain's birth to a Navy dad in the Panama Canal Zone (U.S. at the time) but any time that Obama's birth was questioned everything became an issue of race and/or was totally shut down. Only late into the game did the newly printed and unsigned document from Hawaii appear and it is not a certificate of live birth. I find it odd that the originator of the question was a Democrat, not a Republican. So you go on and look through your rose colored glasses and believe what you want. That does not change the Constitutional requirements for service of the or any other elected Federal office regardless of color.

[gendoikari87]

printed and unsigned

look at the back, it is signed.

[ozo]

Here are some HI Vital Records facts of info:
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/20...aka-obama.html
For race, 'African' was not a choice. This time and age of jobamas birth was before we became politically correct.

[gendoikari87]

Again, modern copy. Actually i guess transcript would be a better phrase.

[Marlin T]

While you post what you think to be an official document, then why is it that... (listen)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvrb7YqdvxE

As previously stated, this is the SECOND HI official that says there is NO birth certificate.
I'll have to go with the state officials over some document that I couldn't use to get a drivers license with.

This is a birth certificate from the day after Barry was born.





EDIT:
I don't know why anybody should give you credibility when,
Tim Adams, former Senior Elections Clerk for Honolulu, Says Barack Obama was Not Born in Hawaii

[kingcuke]

While the hue and cry against unions is prevalent the facts are less than 12% of the working population belongs to a union, and roughly 7% of that are public employee unions. Most unions are quite powerless today and have been since a change in labor law back in the 80s which allows permanent replacement workers.
IMHO it's not the unions, socialists, or whathaveyous, it's global corporations. Corporations as artificial citizens in the US used to be required by charter to provide for the commonweal. That requirement has disappeared as the result of legalized pay for access known as lobbying (starting with the railroads in the 1800s). The charter mongering among states now has global reach and most US companies really aren't. Government and business should be in opposition as their goals are quite different. To believe that whats good for business is good for people is simply a prescription for a return to company towns and casual labor.
While it would be comforting to believe that one bad president could ruin the economy in two years the reality is the middle class was poisoned in the 80's and is now terminal. The jobs aren't out there and the ones that are don't pay enough to live on. In my area a few years ago a $20 p/h job was good now an $11 p/h one is, but there's been no corresponding reset in prices. Doesn't matter who just got elected or who gets elected in 2012 we're still screwed and both parties are toadies to business, business that is increasingly centered overseas in terms of both production and management.

[gendoikari87]

Originally Posted by kingcuke

While the hue and cry against unions is prevalent the facts are less than 12% of the working population belongs to a union, and roughly 7% of that are public employee unions. Most unions are quite powerless today and have been since a change in labor law back in the 80s which allows permanent replacement workers.
IMHO it's not the unions, socialists, or whathaveyous, it's global corporations. Corporations as artificial citizens in the US used to be required by charter to provide for the commonweal. That requirement has disappeared as the result of legalized pay for access known as lobbying (starting with the railroads in the 1800s). The charter mongering among states now has global reach and most US companies really aren't. Government and business should be in opposition as their goals are quite different. To believe that whats good for business is good for people is simply a prescription for a return to company towns and casual labor.
While it would be comforting to believe that one bad president could ruin the economy in two years the reality is the middle class was poisoned in the 80's and is now terminal. The jobs aren't out there and the ones that are don't pay enough to live on. In my area a few years ago a $20 p/h job was good now an $11 p/h one is, but there's been no corresponding reset in prices. Doesn't matter who just got elected or who gets elected in 2012 we're still screwed and both parties are toadies to business, business that is increasingly centered overseas in terms of both production and management.

Yeah, the single biggest cause of the state of our country today comes from a footnote in Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad. They hijacked the 14th amendment, which was supposed to provide rights to freed slaves, and instead made artificial persons with no moral conscience, and no body to incarcerate. People who were so rich they could literally buy half the nation, and the only punishment the government could do to them is fine them.

[RunningOnMT]

Has this link been posted yet? So those who believe Obama was born here, how do explain this one? Were these soundbites doctored?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKu...layer_embedded

[Double D]

Originally Posted by gendoikari87

he already released a copy of his birth certificate what more do you want?

This is perhaps one of the most ignorant statements I have seen you make over and over. NOBODY here believes this besides you. Why are you still trying to argue this nonsense when several of people here have posted more than reasonable doubt that this is not true. I could sell you a huge piece of ocean front property in arizona. You are EASILY impressed upon and will believe whatever. That is stinking obvious. Wouldnt it be easier for you to go find a bunch of koolaid drinkers somewhere and talk about us dumb racist rednecks that just dont get it?

[OcelotZ3]

Apparently everyone who matters in the federal government, who certify elections, are also EASILY impressed upon and will believe whatever.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by OcelotZ3

Apparently everyone who matters in the federal government, who certify elections, are also EASILY impressed upon and will believe whatever.

Not at all true. There are MANY in our government that know or at least feel like bozo was not born in the US. But to partially agree with your statement, there are a bunch of brainless idiots in the government that can easily be swayed and convinced of anything and can be bought. On both sides.

[Marlin T]

Quote:
Originally Posted by OcelotZ3
Apparently everyone who matters in the federal government, who certify elections, are also EASILY impressed upon and will believe whatever.



Not at all true. There are MANY in our government that know or at least feel like bozo was not born in the US. But to partially agree with your statement, there are a bunch of brainless idiots in the government that can easily be swayed and convinced of anything and can be bought. On both sides.

You know that Nancy Peelowski is the one that signed off on the new messiah right? I mean shoot, if he made it that far he surely has to be qualified, a Marxist would never lie would they?

[Gun Geezer]

As Judge Judy says, "If it isn't here, it doesn't exist!" Works for me!

[fleetwood1976]

Whether born here or not. He is not a patriotic american. He cares nothing for the freedoms and rights of americans. He is not christian and more than likely muslim. Politically correct or not, that alone is a major problem. I could care less that he is black mixed or whatever, it is the fact that he is not an american in his heart. I am proud of the founding fathers version of America and proud to live in a country that believes in those principles. But, sadly the majority of the country has lost these beliefs.

[ozo]

Amen Cadillac.

[BETH]

we as american's deserve to see birth certificate

[carver]

I don't for a moment believe that Obozo was born in Amreica. Neither does millions of other Americans. If Obozo has nothing to hide, then he should prove us all wrong. But he won't, because he can't! How much money has he spent to keep his birth records hidden from the world? Why? Where there's smoke there's fire! He has spent millions to keep his birth records from us because it is all he can do! There are no American birth records for this man, so he must hide who he really is!

[WABob]

Why does it cost anything to keep records sealed? Isn't it a matter of just denying permission to release the records? For example most states have a list of people who are allowed to get a certified copy of a birth record.

I have read claims that he spent a butt load to keep his records sealed, but so far have not seen any actual evidence of it at all.

[Marlin T]

All of his official documents are sealed.

Obama kindergarten records
Punahou School records
Occidental College records
Columbia University records
Columbia thesis "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament"
Harvard Law School records
Harvard Law Review articles
University of Chicago scholarly articles
Passport
Medical records

Other documents

• Complete files and schedules of his years as an Illinois state senator from 1997 to 2004

• Obama's client list from during his time in private practice with the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard

• Illinois State Bar Association records

• Baptism records

• Obama/Dunham marriage license

• Obama/Dunham divorce documents

• Soetoro/Dunham marriage license

• Adoption records

Birth certificate

[red14]

Originally Posted by Marlin T

All of his official documents are sealed.

Obama kindergarten records
Punahou School records
Occidental College records
Columbia University records
Columbia thesis "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament"
Harvard Law School records
Harvard Law Review articles
University of Chicago scholarly articles
Passport
Medical records

Other documents

• Complete files and schedules of his years as an Illinois state senator from 1997 to 2004

• Obama's client list from during his time in private practice with the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard

• Illinois State Bar Association records

• Baptism records

• Obama/Dunham marriage license

• Obama/Dunham divorce documents

• Soetoro/Dunham marriage license

• Adoption records

Birth certificate

At least he has nothing to hide.

[rentalguy1]

Originally Posted by fleetwood1976

Whether born here or not. He is not a patriotic american. He cares nothing for the freedoms and rights of americans. He is not christian and more than likely muslim. Politically correct or not, that alone is a major problem. I could care less that he is black mixed or whatever, it is the fact that he is not an american in his heart. I am proud of the founding fathers version of America and proud to live in a country that believes in those principles. But, sadly the majority of the country has lost these beliefs.

I'm with you, except for this one point. I am fairly certain that we still have freedom of religion in this country. A person's religion, or lack thereof, should have absolutely nothing to do with his qualifications to be president. That should not be taken as me stating I would vote for a muslim or a atheist, because I would not. I would certainly vote for other candidates who practiced religions other than followers of Christ. It is a personal choice of the voter, not a requirement. We either must follow ALL of the Constitution, or wad it up and toss it out. We cannot omit certain parts when it suits our needs.