GCN: Gun Control Now

[grcsat]

I think she went home.

She dose sound like a " Canadian Liberal "

[Double D]

rocklinskier, the response about killing an intruder was not a serious response.

[johnlives4christ]

ya know... sometimes i wonder if the people like that are actually government agents trying to in some way entrap us.

[Crpdeth]

Originally Posted by Double D

rocklinskier, the response about killing an intruder was not a serious response.

In retrospect, I suppose I deserve for some of the newer members to be a bit gullible, but it is my belief that this rat came in here to stir up emotion, so I took great joy in giving back... I believe that giving is better than receiving.

Anyone that is so simple minded that they can't understand 1) That we HAVE to have armed citizens in this country to maintain order and 2) That the bad guys are never going to be unarmed ANYWAY.... Well, the rat deserves to be riled up a bit.

Carver... Sorry if some of you were interested in trying to educate this troll, but I think we all agree at this point, that some people are too simple minded... I gave it the end of my boot.

Crpdeth

[carver]

Originally Posted by Crpdeth

In retrospect, I suppose I deserve for some of the newer members to be a bit gullible, but it is my belief that this rat came in here to stir up emotion, so I took great joy in giving back... I believe that giving is better than receiving.

Anyone that is so simple minded that they can't understand 1) That we HAVE to have armed citizens in this country to maintain order and 2) That the bad guys are never going to be unarmed ANYWAY.... Well, the rat deserves to be riled up a bit.

Carver... Sorry if some of you were interested in trying to educate this troll, but I think we all agree at this point, that some people are too simple minded... I gave it the end of my boot.

Crpdeth

You can't educate these people! I was just enjoying reading all the posts! With the troll gone, so is the fun! And I for one never doubted your intent on that post. I saw right off that the troll was fishing, and I for one wasn't going to bite!

[redwing carson]

This is a post by Brady Handgun Control. These radical left wingers are doing this on all firearms forums. They are also acting like caring NRA members who only want NRA reform. Don't laugh they have taken over one web forum that appears to be progun. It is radical anti-NRA anti-gun under the radar.

RC

[Crpdeth]

Originally Posted by redwing carson

This is a post by Brady Handgun Control. These radical left wingers are doing this on all firearms forums. They are also acting like caring NRA members who only want NRA reform. Don't laugh they have taken over one web forum that appears to be progun. It is radical anti-NRA anti-gun under the radar.

RC

I believe you 100%


Crpdeth

[Bubblehead]

Originally Posted by MrsTeresa

You're telling me that you would honestly shoot someone stealing your car? And then go to jail for manslaughter.. what you all are failing to understand is that you have the wrong approach. The man attacks you physically? Run. Claim he's faster? It's your own fault for not being in shape enough to outrun him. He pulls a gun? Sure, then you could do the same... but oh, wait.. that wouldn't happen with more gun control laws would it? Regardless, why even risk it rising to such a level, take guns out of the picture completely. The government has the power to do as it wishes. If guns were to be banned, they would take care of them. Remove them from civilian circulation and I guarantee the crime would be reduced by AT THE LEAST, 50%

MrsTeresa,

Two quick questions for you. 1) if I am "elderly or infirm", and can't run faster than my attacker, why am I to be criticized for being out of shape and how would you suggest that I protect myself? 2) please provide a coherent explanation of how taking away the guns of the "good guys" in anyway reduces the threat of firearm violence on the part of the "bad guys"?

[Double D]

Originally Posted by redwing carson

This is a post by Brady Handgun Control. These radical left wingers are doing this on all firearms forums. They are also acting like caring NRA members who only want NRA reform. Don't laugh they have taken over one web forum that appears to be progun. It is radical anti-NRA anti-gun under the radar.

RC

Yea, there is a real good chance of this. These idiots are trying to gather all they can to come against the pro gunners and this could be a vehicle. Scum

[Teejay9]

It's a little odd for someone to come to a forum such as ours and try to provoke a knee jerk reaction from us. These are the same people who jumped on the anti-Palin, anti-TEA Party, anti-right wing radio band wagon without knowing the full details of Jared Loughner. In some ways it reminds me of those people who interrupt your Saturday by ringing your door bell and telling you all your religious beliefs are wrong.
Really, Mrs Teresa (if that's your real name). It's not worth the stress and frustration to try and educate a person such as yourself. If you ever calm down and respectfully ask a serious question, pro or con, about firearms, you'll find many that will do their very best to answer you. But, if you come on passive-aggressive, well you've seen where that's gotten you. Please continue to educate yourself, if that's possible, and maybe we'll hear more of your delightful conversation. TJ

[WTC7SmokingGun]

Yeah, it's a global al-Qaeda conspiracy. The terrorists are everywhere, man.

I guess you didn't read that sticky at the top of this forum about the Declaration of Independence:

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Let freedom reign in Egypt!

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by rentalguy1

I laughed a little at this, because of the sarcasm of it all, BUT THEN...






I shot coffee out of my nose at this!

I wonder what this person knows about taking a life. I wonder if this person knows that some lives are worth taking to ensure the safety of the rest of the world...

Some people only see "killing" as "killing" and nothing else. There is a fine line between murder and self defense.

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by redwing carson

This is a post by Brady Handgun Control. These radical left wingers are doing this on all firearms forums. They are also acting like caring NRA members who only want NRA reform. Don't laugh they have taken over one web forum that appears to be progun. It is radical anti-NRA anti-gun under the radar.

RC

I was thinking the same thing. People trying to infiltrate our forum.

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by WTC7SmokingGun

Yeah, it's a global al-Qaeda conspiracy. The terrorists are everywhere, man.

I guess you didn't read that sticky at the top of this forum about the Declaration of Independence:



Let freedom reign in Egypt!

The thing they are afraid of is another Afghanistan/Taliban situation. They fear that with Mubarak gone, Muslim extremists will move in and take over the country, and we'll be stuck with another Iran over there.

I do agree that we should stay out of it. I know some of you here remember a "civil war" the US got involved in over in a little stretch of jungle in Southeast Asia. I don't wanna see another 58,267 names on a wall.

[Deputy Dawg]

Originally Posted by MrsTeresa

Proving my point. The people who think such as yourselves are all so quick to jump and begin by calling me names when all I did was ask a few questions. It's a proven fact that cities/states with more gun control laws enforced have lower crime rates. Maybe if you weren't all so concerned with owning power (your guns) you would realize that in order for a modern society to function properly the government must be held higher then our rights to an extent. Guns corrupt people, and people kill. You can honestly say that the world is a better place because everyone in the USA is allowed the right to bear arms? What are guns designed for: killing. Death. Destruction. Giving men false power.

I have been a Deputy for 10 years and I can say your statement is false.You need to check the crime rate for D.C. where the regular person could not own a gun compared to the cities in Texas where the regular person could own a gun. You will find the D.C. has the highest crime rate in the U.S., and if you think calling 911 will save you, then you are living in a fairy tale world. Gun ownership by law abiding citizens has proven to lower the crime rate.

I know for a fact that if all guns were outlawed it would not make you more safer, it would do just the opposite.The bad guy will allways have guns and if not guns it would be bats,knives or whatever they could find to prey on the weak

Just look at Great Britain or Australia and you can see what effect stricter gun laws have had. The crime rate in those countries have sky rocketed.

[gendoikari87]

I wonder if any one of these pigs have stopped and considered tackling the root of crime, and not just the means by which criminals commit them. I mean decreasing the poverty rate will have a much more drastic change in crime than any gun control laws. It's like trying to fix the car of the guy at work who always comes in late when the car is just fine.

[pinecone70]

Oh holy cow, am I ever disappointed I missed out on this one. It was very entertaining to read, and bravo to all the good answers without falling to "her" level.

[ozo]

Kennesaw Georgia -need I say more ?
A town that 'required every head of household to own a gun'.........
How are they doing with that,........since 1982 ??????
http://www.firearmscoalition.org/ind...=285&Itemid=37

[ozo]

Where ya been pinecone.....??
Ya, coulda used you here for input.....
BTW, Happy Birthday.

[pinecone70]

Originally Posted by ozo

Where ya been pinecone.....??
Ya, coulda used you here for input.....
BTW, Happy Birthday.

Been through some difficult stuff, needed to get my life back. I would have had lots of fun troll fighting.

Thanks! It was a good birthday.

[army mp]

Some years back in the neighborhood I lived in at the time, there was a tragedy next door, I was working second shift at the time, I never thought about saying anything to my wife till after I went to work.
I immediately called her and told her do not speak to the press. My wife’s response was, too late I already did.
This was a murder suicide.
As any one that has had any dealings with the media knows, the press will edit and splice an interview to get the most effect from a story. What my wife stated to the press about the family, and what was on the news was completely different.
I am only saying this because if this was a Brady troll, you may find portions of your post over there at some point.
Sometimes things you say on a form can come back, and something posted as a sarcastic remark, manipulated into. Look how these stupid gun owners see life.
Just a thought.

[AL MOUNT]

Originally Posted by army mp

Look how these stupid gun owners see life.
Just a thought.

But a damn good one, I must say.

[A.Wildman]

Mrs. T., i truly pity you, you suffer from a mental disease, called "Liberalism", it slowly eats into your brain, causing a loss of common sense and i'll prove it by asking you to cite or write your own version of a "gun ban law" that will totally stop criminals in their tracks before they commit their intended crime by using a gun.

personally i have written an anti gun crime bill and here it is: any person using a gun in commission of a crime will be executed within 48 hours of conviction, proof of said criminal using a gun will be that of video, one eyewitness and/or any credible source.

let's see your version OK ?

Mr. A. Wildman

[Gun Geezer]

Originally Posted by 1969SS396

"The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret) Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force.

Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it. In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats.

The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender. There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly. Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways.

Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.) So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.

If you don't read this, understand it and agree with it, you deserve to be a slave, subject to the whims of anyone bigger, stronger or meaner than you. This country, our freedom and your rights were secured by those willing and able to fight an oppressive monarchy. Our Constitution provides safe guards whereby we the people have the opportunity and the power to ensure our Government is always aware that they govern with the consent of the people and we are empowered to alter and abolish that Government should it become oppressive. This can't be accomplished by reason alone. If you think it can, history has proven you are WRONG, dead wrong! Of course there are bound to be abuses. We have a huge, diverse population. We have had decades of corrupt and partisan politics. Our largest cities have become cesspools of gang violence, crime and corruption. Our borders are unprotected and we are inundated with immigrants who don't understand our values, our culture, our laws or our language. Our system of entitlements has become so bloated that we can no longer meet the needs of the mentality or physically ill. Law enforcement is no longer obligated to protect you or keep you safe. Until this is all turned around, the gun and your right to lawfully keep and use one may well be the most important of your rights.

[Crpdeth]

Originally Posted by army mp

Sometimes things you say on a form can come back, and something posted as a sarcastic remark, manipulated into. Look how these stupid gun owners see life.
Just a thought.

Like they were going to have high esteem for us anyway? Naaaa, they've already made up their mind, but I don't have much "scared" in me, I'll say what I please...

Screw 'em, feed 'em fish heads and dog &^%!


Crpdeth