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reinhard · 01-28-2011, 02:42 PM

Can anyone help me in identifying the belt showed on the pictures? ,I am very currious at his history ,it's obvious a nice piece of American history,but I can find no info on it,could it be civil war era?

RJay · 01-28-2011, 04:47 PM

What little I know is that it is an Eagle-Officers Belt/Sword Buckle from around 1851 through 1974. I would say the same is true about the belt. Who made it? it would take a more knowledgeable person than I to say.

reinhard · 01-28-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RJay

What little I know is that it is an Eagle-Officers Belt/Sword Buckle from around 1851 through 1974. I would say the same is true about the belt. Who made it? it would take a more knowledgeable person than I to say.

ok thanks Ron I can already name it and that's a plus ,no makers name or anything else in it

gun-nut · 01-28-2011, 11:33 PM

From the buckle itself it looks to be a 1859 artillery buckle. Thats what the books that i have say it is.

reinhard · 01-29-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by gun-nut

From the buckle itself it looks to be a 1859 artillery buckle. Thats what the books that i have say it is.

thank's, probably used during the American civil war then

gun-nut · 01-30-2011, 01:02 PM

Hard to say. The only thing that i could say to have done is carbon date it. I dont know where you can have that done at.

Jim Hauff · 01-30-2011, 08:41 PM

Carbon dating begins at 500 years of age.

deadin · 01-31-2011, 11:09 AM

Don't know about the belt and buckle, but that's a nice CDV of Fredrick Benteen. (Taken much later than the Little Big Horn)

reinhard · 01-31-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by deadin

Don't know about the belt and buckle, but that's a nice CDV of Fredrick Benteen. (Taken much later than the Little Big Horn)

Thanks deadin , I didn't know who that person was ,it's an old postcard,

deadin · 01-31-2011, 12:35 PM

reinhard,
Too bad you can't connect the belt to Benteen.

You might want to read up on him here.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Benteen

Jim Hauff · 01-31-2011, 02:38 PM

Reinhard - you do KNOW who is pictured in your avatar, do you not?

AL MOUNT · 01-31-2011, 04:28 PM

The belt is worthless.... ..... it belonged to a damn Yankee....

Deo Vindice

reinhard · 01-31-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Hauff

Reinhard - you do KNOW who is pictured in your avatar, do you not?

WHOW ,Jim I think everybody knows how samuell colt looks like

now don't think that whe Europeans know nothing about American History

reinhard · 01-31-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by deadin

reinhard,
Too bad you can't connect the belt to Benteen.

You might want to read up on him here.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Benteen

I believe I saw F.B initials on the belt somewhere

HMM, yankees, comes from the dutch Jan,Kees two dutch first names,and since I am dutch speaking,the JanKees belt found a good home

Jim Hauff · 01-31-2011, 06:12 PM

Reinhard -
DANG IT

I thought it was G. A. Custer -

I can't see, screen is too small, can't find my glasses

Not trying to be a smart aleck, sorry

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Now that there be a picture I can SEE. LOL

NOTE: picture was taken before battle of Greasy Grass/Little Bighorn, my uncle's, neighbor's garage mechanics helper's great great grand dad took it with an experimental Harrington & Richardson pocket camera.

AL MOUNT · 01-31-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by reinhard

HMM, yankees, comes from the dutch Jan,Kees two dutch first names,and since I am dutch speaking,the JanKees belt found a good home

Well that was one dumb "Jan Kee", that wasn't smarter

than an Indian 5th grader........

reinhard · 01-31-2011, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Hauff

Reinhard -
DANG IT

I thought it was G. A. Custer -

I can't see, screen is too small, can't find my glasses

Not trying to be a smart aleck, sorry

Attachment 43408

Now that there be a picture I can SEE. LOL

NOTE: picture was taken before battle of Greasy Grass/Little Bighorn, my uncle's, neighbor's garage mechanics helper's great great grand dad took it with an experimental Harrington & Richardson pocket camera.

darn Jim ,because of you I had to change my avatar

I told everybody that the gentleman in the the new avatar was General Custer,how dumb can a person be ?LOL

AL MOUNT · 01-31-2011, 07:04 PM

U.S. Pattern 1851 Sword Belt Rig - Regulation 1851 Pattern, Enlisted, circa 1864 & 1865, has a 37" Buff Leather Belt with applied silver wreath buckle. The buckle & keeper have matching numbers 892, the brass belt catch hook is flat, as period. Leather is excellent condition as with the buckle, NICE RIG HERE !! - Price is $ 850.00 plus shipping and insurance. Item - L-42

http://www.civilwarantiqueshop.com/l42.htm

reinhard · 01-31-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AL MOUNT

Well that was one dumb "Jan Kee", that wasn't smarter

than an Indian 5th grader........

am I missing something here , is the war still going on?

AL MOUNT · 01-31-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by reinhard

am I missing something here , is the war still going on?

As far as a lot of us are concerned it's only halftime...

Yankees 1
Rebels 0

reinhard · 01-31-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AL MOUNT

U.S. Pattern 1851 Sword Belt Rig - Regulation 1851 Pattern, Enlisted, circa 1864 & 1865, has a 37" Buff Leather Belt with applied silver wreath buckle. The buckle & keeper have matching numbers 892, the brass belt catch hook is flat, as period. Leather is excellent condition as with the buckle, NICE RIG HERE !! - Price is $ 850.00 plus shipping and insurance. Item - L-42

http://www.civilwarantiqueshop.com/l42.htm

thanks bro ,the one you show has more colours on the bukcle
very nice thank you for the info

AL MOUNT · 01-31-2011, 07:17 PM

Notice your belt also has matching numbers on both ends "346"

reinhard · 01-31-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Hauff

Reinhard -
DANG IT

I thought it was G. A. Custer -

I can't see, screen is too small, can't find my glasses

Not trying to be a smart aleck, sorry

Attachment 43408

Now that there be a picture I can SEE. LOL

NOTE: picture was taken before battle of Greasy Grass/Little Bighorn, my uncle's, neighbor's garage mechanics helper's great great grand dad took it with an experimental Harrington & Richardson pocket camera.

a sharp clean picture of the general,I heard of the H&R pocket camera's before, never seen one though

reinhard · 01-31-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AL MOUNT

Notice your belt also has matching numbers on both ends "346"

yes, I have no doubt on the originality,,mine has an extra leather strap,maybe to attach a sword? don't know for sure,the belt is very stiff ,and hard like cardboard,

Jim Hauff · 02-01-2011, 10:08 AM

reinhard -
The extra strap is the hanger for the scabbard.

01-28-2011, 02:42 PM	#1
reinhard V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 202	need help identifying Can anyone help me in identifying the belt showed on the pictures? ,I am very currious at his history ,it's obvious a nice piece of American history,but I can find no info on it,could it be civil war era? -->

01-28-2011, 04:47 PM	#2
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,487	Re: need help identifying What little I know is that it is an Eagle-Officers Belt/Sword Buckle from around 1851 through 1974. I would say the same is true about the belt. Who made it? it would take a more knowledgeable person than I to say. __________________ RonJames

01-28-2011, 11:33 PM	#4
gun-nut Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: ohio Contributor Posts: 931	Re: need help identifying From the buckle itself it looks to be a 1859 artillery buckle. Thats what the books that i have say it is. __________________ Don't retreat just reload.

01-30-2011, 01:02 PM	#6
gun-nut Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: ohio Contributor Posts: 931	Re: need help identifying Hard to say. The only thing that i could say to have done is carbon date it. I dont know where you can have that done at. __________________ Don't retreat just reload.

01-30-2011, 08:41 PM	#7
Jim Hauff Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 2,980	Re: need help identifying Carbon dating begins at 500 years of age. __________________ Jim Hauff ~ H&R Collector In Memory of Bill Goforth and Jim Ritchie

01-31-2011, 11:09 AM	#8
deadin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 858	Re: need help identifying Don't know about the belt and buckle, but that's a nice CDV of Fredrick Benteen. (Taken much later than the Little Big Horn)

01-31-2011, 12:35 PM	#10
deadin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 858	Re: need help identifying reinhard, Too bad you can't connect the belt to Benteen. You might want to read up on him here.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Benteen

01-31-2011, 02:38 PM	#11
Jim Hauff Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 2,980	Re: need help identifying Reinhard - you do KNOW who is pictured in your avatar, do you not? __________________ Jim Hauff ~ H&R Collector In Memory of Bill Goforth and Jim Ritchie

01-31-2011, 04:28 PM	#12
AL MOUNT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cleaning my Thompson in The Foothills of the Ozark Mountains Posts: 3,108	Re: need help identifying The belt is worthless.... ..... it belonged to a damn Yankee.... Deo Vindice __________________ 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Vietnam 67-68

01-31-2011, 06:12 PM	#15
Jim Hauff Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 2,980	Re: need help identifying Reinhard - DANG IT I thought it was G. A. Custer - I can't see, screen is too small, can't find my glasses Not trying to be a smart aleck, sorry Now that there be a picture I can SEE. LOL NOTE: picture was taken before battle of Greasy Grass/Little Bighorn, my uncle's, neighbor's garage mechanics helper's great great grand dad took it with an experimental Harrington & Richardson pocket camera. __________________ Jim Hauff ~ H&R Collector In Memory of Bill Goforth and Jim Ritchie Last edited by Jim Hauff; 01-31-2011 at 06:20 PM..

01-31-2011, 07:04 PM	#18
AL MOUNT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cleaning my Thompson in The Foothills of the Ozark Mountains Posts: 3,108	Re: need help identifying U.S. Pattern 1851 Sword Belt Rig - Regulation 1851 Pattern, Enlisted, circa 1864 & 1865, has a 37" Buff Leather Belt with applied silver wreath buckle. The buckle & keeper have matching numbers 892, the brass belt catch hook is flat, as period. Leather is excellent condition as with the buckle, NICE RIG HERE !! - Price is $ 850.00 plus shipping and insurance. Item - L-42 http://www.civilwarantiqueshop.com/l42.htm __________________ 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Vietnam 67-68

01-31-2011, 07:17 PM	#22
AL MOUNT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cleaning my Thompson in The Foothills of the Ozark Mountains Posts: 3,108	Re: need help identifying Notice your belt also has matching numbers on both ends "346" __________________ 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Vietnam 67-68

02-01-2011, 10:08 AM	#25
Jim Hauff Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 2,980	Re: need help identifying reinhard - The extra strap is the hanger for the scabbard. __________________ Jim Hauff ~ H&R Collector In Memory of Bill Goforth and Jim Ritchie