Gun ban on the way.

[redwing carson]

Baytree very profound and so correct. My son was a USMC Recon, US Border Patrol, and now ICE agent. What would these men do if ordered to do SS style assaults on American citizens? I think my son would leave government service. What about all the Nat'l Guard. These young men would be ask to turn on their neighbors and family. Civil War 11.

RC

[rentalguy1]

Originally Posted by redwing carson

What would these men do if ordered to do SS style assaults on American citizens?

Die

[Bobitis]

I don't see it happening. Do you really think law enforcement and the military would agree to this? These people are all brothers and sisters.
And they all have family and friends. So who's door are you kicking in?

These people have all sworn an oath to the Constitution.

Should this ever be attempted, I believe anarchy would soon follow.

[Deputy Dawg]

Originally Posted by Bobitis

I don't see it happening. Do you really think law enforcement and the military would agree to this? These people are all brothers and sisters.
And they all have family and friends. So who's door are you kicking in?

These people have all sworn an oath to the Constitution.

Should this ever be attempted, I believe anarchy would soon follow.

I cannot speak for anyone else, but for myself you hit the nail on the head.

[Bobitis]

Originally Posted by Deputy Dawg

I cannot speak for anyone else, but for myself you hit the nail on the head.

Thanks Dawg.
I'd an Uncle that survived the Bataan Death March.
I've a brother that has about 18 months as a LEO before he retires.
My Nephew has served two tours in Iraq. My Father served in 3 branches of the military.

NONE of them would beat down a door on a simple 'told ya to'.

Violent crime commited? Yep.
Search warrant signed off on? Yep.
Cuz I said so? Don't think so.

I'm a peaceful person. There is NO reason for ANYONE to come beat down my door. My door is locked and dead bolted 24/7. If anyone is of the mind the kick it in, I'll consider it an act worthy of self defense.

Who in their right mind would risk that? How many times would you take the chance?

It won't happen. Anyone that thinks it's OK would be signing a suicide note.

Door number 1? 2? 3? Why? To protect a government bent on destroying our way of life and our Constitution?

I think not. And I'm sure that those that serve would agree.

[millwright]

From a peripheal viewpoint of the LEO community, I'd opine, don't be the ranch on any federal/state government not getting sufficient numbers to conduct house by house raids on gun owners ! Lots of these sworn officers are dumber than three truck loads of rocks with the sole interest of feathering their own nest - regardless of what it takes !! And never forget any such "raids" will get all the favorable press while doing so !

Think of it like making a really big snow ball......start small and keep rolling !!

Think I'm blowing smoke ? Then 'splain how so much police corruption in so many departments continues to exist, please......Its only a matter of degree....and co-operation..... >MW

[millwright]

Addendum to previous post.

The current animus about gun shows isn't about any to the putative reasons elucidated by government, ATF or the LPE ! IOW its never about "guns" ! The presence of guns in the criminal populace is the 'sine qua non" of the ant-gun brigade ! Their animus is solely - and totally - about denying like-minded Americans opportunity to meet with and discuss government policies in freely open forums based upon criminal uses they abet ! >MW

[al45lc]

Originally Posted by Bobitis

I don't see it happening. Do you really think law enforcement and the military would agree to this? These people are all brothers and sisters.
And they all have family and friends. So who's door are you kicking in?

These people have all sworn an oath to the Constitution.

Should this ever be attempted, I believe anarchy would soon follow.

According to my good friend, a Marine Major, he has sworn to uphold the Constitution, against all enemies foreign and domestic, and he has NO obligation to follow an illegal command that is unconstitutional.
In fact, he claims an obligation to disobey said command and stand on the Constitution.
This is the advantage of an all volunteer military, you mostly get the best.

[Double D]

I am a member of the oath keepers org. and for those of you who dont know what they do, they are trying to get all current law officers and military and whoever else that would be involved to not take such an order from the prez or whomever may give it. Google them and read up. Membership is not limited to current service. In my case, I took an oath to protect this country and uphold the constitution back in 1976 and it has not ever run out or ended. Disarming the people is a direct un-constitutional order that nobody should follow thru with and I think you would see a large majority refuse to do it. But, since these clowns in office dont believe in the constitution, they may very well attempt to give the order. Oath Keepers can use your support.

[RunningOnMT]

Only problem is I would bet that not a single BATF agent is a member of Oath Keepers. Those will be the ones who will grab the guns if ordered to do so. They seem to do whatever they want, making up the rules as they go and don't act like they've ever even read the constitution.

[al45lc]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

Only problem is I would bet that not a single BATF agent is a member of Oath Keepers. Those will be the ones who will grab the guns if ordered to do so. They seem to do whatever they want, making up the rules as they go and don't act like they've ever even read the constitution.

Agreed, in fact, many of the 'Professionals' in law enforcement consider them a half-a#% bunch at best.
My experiences with them was very poor.

[45Auto]

There is insufficient political will in Washington to engage in a gun ban. With the economic crisis in full swing a gun ban is the last thing anyone wants to spend political capitol to achieve.

Think for a moment: Even during the two years when Democrats controlled the Presidency, the House and the Senate no anti gun legislation was passed. In fact, Obama even signed into law the ability to carry concealed pistols in Federal parks.

From local Township Boards, to the Whitehouse, the real crisis of our day is the economy.

I suspect more people will loose their gun rights because they can't afford to shoot before the government ever takes their guns away.

Best regards,
Greg

[jack404]

here in Australia we lost nearly 300 cops ( resigned ) within the first week of gun control and nearly a 1000 over the next few months ,

but you'd be surprised at how many jumped at the chance to be promoted , look good follow orders etc ,, bloody sickening , and they hired many straight out of thought control school, ( university ) who are now the senior officers of the firearms units .. dedicated socialist many .. lobbyists within.. disgusting ...

[K75RT]

Anyone who thinks that bans can not happen needs to take a look at this link and read some of the excerpts from this trilogy....
http://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/excerpts.htm

[Marlin T]

Originally Posted by 45Auto

There is insufficient political will in Washington to engage in a gun ban. With the economic crisis in full swing a gun ban is the last thing anyone wants to spend political capitol to achieve.

There are bills that have been introduced in congress that says there IS enough political will for a gun/acc ban.

As the below (the article that is in post #1) shows, an easy way to ban weapons is by additional regulations, as in the shotguns.

If your shotgun doesn't have a shoulder butt it is no longer a shotgun, rather a destructive device subject to a different category of law.
For a bit more information, there was a story posted a while ago about it.
http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/show...ructive+device

Obama gun ban? Not so outrageous now


Posted: February 03, 2011
10:45 pm Eastern

© 2011
After more than two years of relative quiet regarding gun-control issues, the Obama administration, through its Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, or ATF, has begun laying the groundwork for a massive gun ban.

Last week the ATF released a "study" discussing the suitability of certain "non-sporting" shotguns for importation and sale in the U.S. The "study" suggests that shotguns with military-type features are not suitable for sporting purposes and therefore do not qualify for legal importation.
Unfortunately this "sporting purpose" language appears in several places in federal gun laws. These laws have been used successfully to ban several specific styles of shotguns in the past – not just banned from import or banned from sale, but banned from possession without special government permission and taxes.

[RunningOnMT]

These continuous "rulings" and changes in definitions by the BATF seem totally unconstitutional to me. I'm passed worrying about what that bunch of bozos proclaims. They are beyond reasonable and if necessary I'll be forced to join the ranks of the non-law abiding gun owners.

[Marlin T]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

I'll be forced to join the ranks of the non-law abiding gun owners.

If this new change happens, I wonder how many instant criminals there are going to be?

Of course if you get caught with one you will be charged with a felony and therefore you wouldn't be able to own ANY firearms.

So I ask myself, how are they going to get all these illegal weapons off the 'streets'? For places that already have registration, that is easy. The rest; attrition I guess is what they are thinking.

So what about all those pistol grips that have the stock replaced with a legal one? Are those weapons so evil now that they have been trained differently that they still would be illegal?
How about those that came with a legal stock, would they be considered just as evil or just a tad less evil?

Liberals anyways, what the hell?!?
Maybe we could get that MrsTeresa to explain it, whats ya think?

Then we have these libs calling for war on Israel, what the hell is Obomba thinking? I guess that is for another thread, but good God, these guys are sick in the head. No regard for history at all.

[KianM]

I think as a gun owner, we must really know our responsibilities with it. It's because this small thing can really destroy anyone. Nowadays, there are a lot of issues regarding with guns. Just like what I've read from here: Judge pulls gun in Georgia court. It says that a judge in Georgia, federal reserve up with the statement of a witness, pulled a gun out during the hearing he was doing in his courtroom. He then asked the witness if she might want to shoot her lawyer.

[gun runner]

No one is going to take my guns.

[jack404]

and if they lock up your wife or and kids ??? watchya gonna do then ?

dont think it cant happen as thats how their play book goes ...

seen it first hand

[gun runner]

i could imagine

[Gun Geezer]

I am more concerned that our Communist in Chief and his minions will slowly and deviously pick away at our 2A rights. An all out gun grab will result in a revolution that will make the civil war look like a boy scout jamboree. Those in Congress who have enough sense not to let the little brain over-ride the one in their head know this.

[BobMcG]

Originally Posted by Gun Geezer

I am more concerned that our Communist in Chief and his minions will slowly and deviously pick away at our 2A rights.

Exactly the way the left has been doing it for decades. But... we haven't seen anything yet. IF Barry gets re-elected, (and let us pray he doesn't) it will be all over for the 2nd. Right now the Supreme Court is split 5 to 4 in the 2nd's favor and that's far from a safe place to be. If we get stuck with Barry for another four years, it's possible that will he get to appoint up to three new anti 2nd justices and that will spell the end of it all.

Originally Posted by Gun Geezer

An all out gun grab will result in a revolution that will make the civil war look like a boy scout jamboree.

Agreed, and while the left has to be aware of the possibility, they are probably and rather foolishly willing to take the risk. If the justices on the S.C. were to trash the 2nd in the near future, (read = deny us the civil liberties set in place for us by our founding fathers) it could and most likely would be a major turning point in the history of this country. The patriots of this country knew what to do about a government that came down on them with a heavy boot once long ago, and they will again.

I believe it boils down to the problem being a large group of rich, powerful, arrogant, elitist, leftists and their brainwashed minions who think nothing of re-writing the Constitution to fit their agenda. Now, mind you, the whole time they're doing this, they're thinking that they'll get away with it in the end because they'll be able to claim the law is on their side. Another big reason they think they'll get away with all of this is because they probably don't really think that it's possible for this country to under go another Revolutionary War or Civil War. I mean come on, those events were so long ago, they're just pages in a history book now. Well, maybe they should give some long, hard thought to the strange way history has of repeating itself.

[gun runner]

My weapons are in my house and they are not leaving!

[Inthewind1976]

I really only have two things to say, about the possibility that LEO's will wage war on American citizens if the misguided militaristic federal law enforcement administrative pogues tell em to - 1. WACO 2. RUBY RIDGE.

Need I say more?