Do ALL firearms sales have to go throughan FFL? - The Firearms Forum

LBlack14 · 02-21-2011, 07:34 PM

Am I allowed to sell it on my own, being they're only registered to tell if they've been stolen? At least that was my understanding. How should one go about selling one to a private party?

CampingJosh · 02-21-2011, 07:45 PM

Without knowing your state, it's hard to say if it is legal for you to do private sales.

If you're looking for a place to sell things, we have a Buy/Sell/Trade forum on here, and I've found ******** to be a very easy, productive place to list and browse firearms classifieds.

gdmoody · 02-21-2011, 07:49 PM

In Georgia you can sell it to another individual, face to face, with only seeing proof of age. If you have to ship it, then you have to go through an FFL. If you transfer to anyone in another state, it has to go through an FFL.

LBlack14 · 02-21-2011, 09:05 PM

That's what I thought.

I'm in Ohio by the way.

A-FIXER · 02-21-2011, 09:58 PM

Yup, I still live in a free state, no need for ffl within the state

BETH · 02-21-2011, 11:10 PM

In Ct. you can sell or buy from someone paperwork goes to buyer, seller, police (town u live in) state firearms dept

fuzebox40 · 02-22-2011, 02:52 AM

If it's an antique (pre 1899) there's no need for ffl. That's a federal law so check your own state for exceptions.

Sandman · 02-22-2011, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by gdmoody

In Georgia you can sell it to another individual, face to face, with only seeing proof of age. If you have to ship it, then you have to go through an FFL. If you transfer to anyone in another state, it has to go through an FFL.

Same in Louisiana.

Jim K · 02-22-2011, 10:55 AM

In MD, sales of "regulated firearms" (handguns and "assault rifles") have to go through a dealer. Conventional rifles and shotguns do not.

Jim

fuzebox40 · 02-22-2011, 12:06 PM

As you may or may or may not know, California has among the toughest of gun laws. The last gun show I went to had a a sign reading something like "absolutely noone will buy or sell any firearm without the ten day bla bla and background check and ffl bla bla, no exceptions!". Everything public and private is suposed to go through a licensed dealer(other than antiques). But.. I personaly have bought an assault rifle and a hand gun from private parties and registered them on my own with the DOJ for $20 without a hitch. Go figure. Food for thought.

goofy · 02-24-2011, 06:09 AM

In new york ALL hand guns must go through a FFL.Any gun shiped in or out of state must go through a FFL.But long guns can be sold face to face HOWEVER if you do not know the person you do not know what plans they have for the gun so i recommend to my customers to go through a FFL.I charge $10.00 to transfer a gun and allways do a NCIC check at lest i am doing the best i can to keep this gun out of a crazy nuts hands.You just never know and you dont need the greef....GOOFY

wpshooter · 02-24-2011, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LBlack14

That's what I thought.

I'm in Ohio by the way.

Even if you sell a firearm in an arms length transaction, always make sure that you get a photo copy of the buyer driver's license, etc. and keep with your records (FOREVER, or as long as you live), so that if someone down the line shoots someone with that firearm, you have a record of who you sold it to.

Good luck.

goofy · 02-24-2011, 08:52 AM

WPSOOTER That is good advice....goofy

carver · 02-24-2011, 09:41 AM

If I sold one of my guns, long, or short, it would be to someone I knew well. But I won't be selling any of my guns! If I buy a gun from someone other than a licensed dealer, then the same rull applies, I know them well, or there is no deal. Wouldn't it be great to buy a new in the box S&W 4" barrel .357 for $300! Oh yeah, it might be stolen! What's the peniality for receiving stollen merchindise? If you haven't learned this by age 18, you might need to go back to school. Naw, that probably wouldn't help you any either, you're just too dumb!

wpshooter · 02-24-2011, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by carver

If I sold one of my guns, long, or short, it would be to someone I knew well. But I won't be selling any of my guns! If I buy a gun from someone other than a licensed dealer, then the same rull applies, I know them well, or there is no deal. Wouldn't it be great to buy a new in the box S&W 4" barrel .357 for $300! Oh yeah, it might be stolen! What's the peniality for receiving stollen merchindise? If you haven't learned this by age 18, you might need to go back to school. Naw, that probably wouldn't help you any either, you're just too dumb!

I am all for being prudent but having said that, I don't think I would forego selling any firearms for the reasons you state.

Even if you have known a person since you were in diapers, how do you absolutely know that that person is not going to use the firearm you sell them in some illegal action, if not immediately, sometime in the distance future.

I am certainly not an attorney, but my guess would be that if I purchased a firearm that had been stolen and if I had no knowledge either before or after the fact, then I doubt that I would have committed any crime but might have to forfeit the firearm.

Thanks.

carver · 02-24-2011, 10:24 AM

How do we know that this person commited said crime?

PPK 32 · 02-24-2011, 10:31 AM

You must do the homework for your state. In Illinois we can sell privately as long as we record the serial and person's FOID card numbers, keeping the transaction paperwork for 10 years. No FFL required here for private sales.

goofy · 02-25-2011, 06:02 AM

to all that talked.. it is true if you bought a hot gun with out knowing it you are not guilty of a crime BUT you will be ansering alot of questions including what other weopons do you own, how and who did you get them from,why do you own them ext.... we all know we cant read a persons mind so we do not know what they are going to do with it.however you must cover your a.. or you could be ansering those questions in a small room with a big mirror in the corrner.And if this gun was used in a crime or killed someone you will be ansreing those questions befor a jurry becuse you will be used to prove ownership of the weopon at the time of the crime!.I personaly do not need the hassel so I ALLWAYS cover my a.. and get ALL the info I need or I do not buy or sell a weopon!!.Think hard about this because you do not want to be the one saying you are sory to the family of a murderd victum because you are the one that sold him the weopon.REMEMBER THE GUN CONTROL FREEKS ARE ALLWAYS LOOKING FOR ANY EXCUSE TO SAY I TOLD YOU SO!!!!.We have to be responsable gun owners to stay gun owners.And carver is right reciveing stolen property is a crime and ignorance is not a excuse and it is not a question if you "might" lose the weopon you WILL lose the weopon....GOOFY

gdmoody · 02-25-2011, 10:33 AM

When I buy or sell a gun to anyone, other than a dealer, I absolutely insist on see proof of age and current address. I always prepare a bill of sale in two copies, even if I have to hand write it, and provide a copy to the other fellow and one for me. That protects me if I buy a stolen gun and protects him/her if I were to sell a stolen gun. When I sell a gun, I try to get as much information from the individual before meeting them. That way, I have the bill of sale prepared. If they are reluctant to give me an address over the phone, I then prepare the bill of sale with all information except for the buyers address and will write that in at the meet.

If someone who legally bought a gun from me goes immediately and kills someone, it is not on me because I made sure the transaction was legal.

whirley · 02-25-2011, 11:27 AM

Some people buy but never sell!

Bobitis · 02-25-2011, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gdmoody

When I buy or sell a gun to anyone, other than a dealer, I absolutely insist on see proof of age and current address. I always prepare a bill of sale in two copies, even if I have to hand write it, and provide a copy to the other fellow and one for me. That protects me if I buy a stolen gun and protects him/her if I were to sell a stolen gun. When I sell a gun, I try to get as much information from the individual before meeting them. That way, I have the bill of sale prepared. If they are reluctant to give me an address over the phone, I then prepare the bill of sale with all information except for the buyers address and will write that in at the meet.

If someone who legally bought a gun from me goes immediately and kills someone, it is not on me because I made sure the transaction was legal.

I've only sold one firearm, and this^ is pretty much what I did.
Bill of sale for each party, and exchange D/L info. It covers both parties.
If a buyer wasn't willing to divulge his/her current info, no deal.

I would expect the same if buying face to face.

user · 08-05-2012, 09:07 AM

Federal law does not prohibit intrastate transfers between residents of the same state. In most states, selling a gun is the same as selling any other item of personal property. I use a bill of sale form that meets the requirements in most places. Check with a local lawyer, of course.
(download PDF document - right click here and choose "save target/link as")

Insulation Tim · 08-05-2012, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gdmoody

In Georgia you can sell it to another individual, face to face, with only seeing proof of age. If you have to ship it, then you have to go through an FFL. If you transfer to anyone in another state, it has to go through an FFL.

This holds true for Ohio as well.

02-21-2011, 07:34 PM	#1
LBlack14 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Mason, Ohio Posts: 7	Do ALL firearms sales have to go through an FFL? Am I allowed to sell it on my own, being they're only registered to tell if they've been stolen? At least that was my understanding. How should one go about selling one to a private party? --> Last edited by LBlack14; 02-21-2011 at 09:04 PM..

02-21-2011, 07:45 PM	#2
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02-21-2011, 07:49 PM	#3
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,403	Re: Do ALL firearms sales have to go throughan FFL? In Georgia you can sell it to another individual, face to face, with only seeing proof of age. If you have to ship it, then you have to go through an FFL. If you transfer to anyone in another state, it has to go through an FFL. __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

02-21-2011, 09:05 PM	#4
LBlack14 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Mason, Ohio Posts: 7	Re: Do ALL firearms sales have to go throughan FFL? That's what I thought. I'm in Ohio by the way.

02-21-2011, 09:58 PM	#5
A-FIXER Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 22	Re: Do ALL firearms sales have to go throughan FFL? Yup, I still live in a free state, no need for ffl within the state

02-21-2011, 11:10 PM	#6
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,685	Re: Do ALL firearms sales have to go throughan FFL? In Ct. you can sell or buy from someone paperwork goes to buyer, seller, police (town u live in) state firearms dept

02-22-2011, 02:52 AM	#7
fuzebox40 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Apple Valley, Ca. Contributor Posts: 1,486	Re: Do ALL firearms sales have to go throughan FFL? If it's an antique (pre 1899) there's no need for ffl. That's a federal law so check your own state for exceptions.

02-22-2011, 10:55 AM	#9
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Do ALL firearms sales have to go throughan FFL? In MD, sales of "regulated firearms" (handguns and "assault rifles") have to go through a dealer. Conventional rifles and shotguns do not. Jim

02-22-2011, 12:06 PM	#10
fuzebox40 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Apple Valley, Ca. Contributor Posts: 1,486	Re: Do ALL firearms sales have to go throughan FFL? As you may or may or may not know, California has among the toughest of gun laws. The last gun show I went to had a a sign reading something like "absolutely noone will buy or sell any firearm without the ten day bla bla and background check and ffl bla bla, no exceptions!". Everything public and private is suposed to go through a licensed dealer(other than antiques). But.. I personaly have bought an assault rifle and a hand gun from private parties and registered them on my own with the DOJ for $20 without a hitch. Go figure. Food for thought.

02-24-2011, 06:09 AM	#11
goofy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Contributor Posts: 2,063	Re: Do ALL firearms sales have to go throughan FFL? In new york ALL hand guns must go through a FFL.Any gun shiped in or out of state must go through a FFL.But long guns can be sold face to face HOWEVER if you do not know the person you do not know what plans they have for the gun so i recommend to my customers to go through a FFL.I charge $10.00 to transfer a gun and allways do a NCIC check at lest i am doing the best i can to keep this gun out of a crazy nuts hands.You just never know and you dont need the greef....GOOFY

02-24-2011, 08:52 AM	#13
goofy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Contributor Posts: 2,063	Re: Do ALL firearms sales have to go throughan FFL? WPSOOTER That is good advice....goofy

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carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,541	Re: Do ALL firearms sales have to go throughan FFL? If I sold one of my guns, long, or short, it would be to someone I knew well. But I won't be selling any of my guns! If I buy a gun from someone other than a licensed dealer, then the same rull applies, I know them well, or there is no deal. Wouldn't it be great to buy a new in the box S&W 4" barrel .357 for $300! Oh yeah, it might be stolen! What's the peniality for receiving stollen merchindise? If you haven't learned this by age 18, you might need to go back to school. Naw, that probably wouldn't help you any either, you're just too dumb! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old. Last edited by carver; 02-24-2011 at 09:42 AM..

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carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,541	Re: Do ALL firearms sales have to go throughan FFL? How do we know that this person commited said crime? __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

02-24-2011, 10:31 AM	#17
PPK 32 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Frickin, Illinois Posts: 1,170	Re: Do ALL firearms sales have to go throughan FFL? You must do the homework for your state. In Illinois we can sell privately as long as we record the serial and person's FOID card numbers, keeping the transaction paperwork for 10 years. No FFL required here for private sales. __________________ -Every road leads to a town, every town has a tavern, therefore you are never really lost. -If you are gonna be stupid, you'd better be tough. Jim Parrish

02-25-2011, 06:02 AM	#18
goofy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Contributor Posts: 2,063	Re: Do ALL firearms sales have to go throughan FFL? to all that talked.. it is true if you bought a hot gun with out knowing it you are not guilty of a crime BUT you will be ansering alot of questions including what other weopons do you own, how and who did you get them from,why do you own them ext.... we all know we cant read a persons mind so we do not know what they are going to do with it.however you must cover your a.. or you could be ansering those questions in a small room with a big mirror in the corrner.And if this gun was used in a crime or killed someone you will be ansreing those questions befor a jurry becuse you will be used to prove ownership of the weopon at the time of the crime!.I personaly do not need the hassel so I ALLWAYS cover my a.. and get ALL the info I need or I do not buy or sell a weopon!!.Think hard about this because you do not want to be the one saying you are sory to the family of a murderd victum because you are the one that sold him the weopon.REMEMBER THE GUN CONTROL FREEKS ARE ALLWAYS LOOKING FOR ANY EXCUSE TO SAY I TOLD YOU SO!!!!.We have to be responsable gun owners to stay gun owners.And carver is right reciveing stolen property is a crime and ignorance is not a excuse and it is not a question if you "might" lose the weopon you WILL lose the weopon....GOOFY Last edited by goofy; 02-25-2011 at 07:25 AM..

02-25-2011, 10:33 AM	#19
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,403	Re: Do ALL firearms sales have to go throughan FFL? When I buy or sell a gun to anyone, other than a dealer, I absolutely insist on see proof of age and current address. I always prepare a bill of sale in two copies, even if I have to hand write it, and provide a copy to the other fellow and one for me. That protects me if I buy a stolen gun and protects him/her if I were to sell a stolen gun. When I sell a gun, I try to get as much information from the individual before meeting them. That way, I have the bill of sale prepared. If they are reluctant to give me an address over the phone, I then prepare the bill of sale with all information except for the buyers address and will write that in at the meet. If someone who legally bought a gun from me goes immediately and kills someone, it is not on me because I made sure the transaction was legal. __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

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