No Carry permit needed - The Firearms Forum

redwing carson · 02-25-2011, 03:55 PM

The Wyoming House today passed the right to carry concealed weapons with out a state issued permit. Any citizen in Wyoming 21 years of age can carry a concealed weapon without a permit. Open carry has always been legal. Wyoming has a very liberal permit system for those traveling out of state. The problem arose when open carry guns were covered up by winter gear. Now that is fixed.

RC

Juker · 02-25-2011, 04:09 PM

Always good to hear that there are state legislatures whose heads aren't up their posteriors!

Double D · 02-25-2011, 04:10 PM

Congrats on that one. Good news!

glens67 · 02-25-2011, 06:09 PM

Hey Idaho is doing that now.
As of President’s Day, the Idaho Senate had introduced Senate Bill 1126 and assigned it to the State Affairs Committee. Commonly known as Permitless Carry legislation, this bill would amend the existing concealed carry law to allow law-abiding Idahoans to carry a concealed firearm without the burdensome requirement of acquiring an Idaho carry permit. The approval of this pivotal legislation would bode well for law-abiding citizens of Idaho who wish to protect not only themselves but family and friends alike.

Glen

BETH · 02-25-2011, 06:26 PM

alright

springerbuster · 02-25-2011, 06:55 PM

What does the law say about non residents traveling through Idaho or Wyoming? Just curious?

Bodyguard · 02-25-2011, 08:31 PM

Kentucky also has a similar law going through the process. It's a great idea but if all the currently reciprocating states don't change something, we who can carry in our own state would no longer have a permit to carry for others to acknowledge. Kentucky recognizes this problem though and if the new law passes it will still issue permits to those of us who wish to have one. I, for one, will continue to renew mine.
BG

wyoredot · 02-25-2011, 08:37 PM

Even though I'm a former resident, I did put in a vote for this on behalf of my friends that need this. CONGRATS! I got the message today. I hope Montana will step up and the other states around us. Needs to be nation wide in my opinion. Keep up the good fight !!!

New Guy · 02-25-2011, 09:03 PM

I need to move the hell out of Illinois.

Zhurh · 02-25-2011, 11:16 PM

Been that way in Alaska, good many years. Everybody has sidearms in Ak, many places no law enforcement, and it is quite acceptable to walk in the local school with pistol on the belt. State police were having problems enforcing gun laws anyway. Once the populace begins to ignore gun laws anyway; they have to change them. One thing the politicals don't want is the people to not voluntarily obey the laws they institute; scares them bad. They have to have voluntary compliance for everything to go smooth.

Rooster Cogburn · 02-26-2011, 12:19 AM

Lived in NJ for so many years and didn't even bother trying to get a pistol permit (hell, you even needed a permit for a BB gun). Moved to NC and within a year I had my CCW.

redwing carson · 02-26-2011, 07:56 AM

This would not have happened with out the NRA and WGO[Wyoming Gun Owners]. These were the only two Orgs. fighting for our rights. It sure caused heart burn when some of the other so called gun rights out fits used this issue to get money. They however did zip for our cause.

RC

glens67 · 02-26-2011, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springerbuster

What does the law say about non residents traveling through Idaho or Wyoming? Just curious?

This is what I found in the Idaho Bill

A valid permit or license issued in another state will
only be considered valid in this state if the permit is in the
permittee's or licensee's physical possession.

Glen

Teejay9 · 02-26-2011, 04:44 PM

That's pretty cool, a bit more apprehension for the police at a traffic stop, but pretty good just the same. I'm wondering how long it will take California to legalize concealed carry?

TJ

redwing carson · 02-27-2011, 10:11 AM

The most vocal group against the right to carry was the Anti-Gun FOP. In this state most everyone carries a gun while traveling. Open carry and concealed and loaded in the car or truck has always been legal. [no change here] It really does not change things all that much. I like the fact that when wearing coats that cover up your open carry, it will no longer be a problem.

DK

carver · 02-27-2011, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zhurh

Been that way in Alaska, good many years. Everybody has sidearms in Ak, many places no law enforcement, and it is quite acceptable to walk in the local school with pistol on the belt. State police were having problems enforcing gun laws anyway. Once the populace begins to ignore gun laws anyway; they have to change them. One thing the politicals don't want is the people to not voluntarily obey the laws they institute; scares them bad. They have to have voluntary compliance for everything to go smooth.

I can understand the problems in Alaska with no way to enforce gun laws there. The last I heard there were only around 400 State Troupers in the whole state, is that right?

Zhurh · 02-27-2011, 11:32 AM

I'm not sure about the numbers. We live along the Yukon, rural community of 100 Whites & 30 Indians; 200 miles from nearest town or state police; and our road is closed half the year; 20 foot of snow on road on summits. I actually like the road being closed, even though you have to spend nearly $400 to fly into Fairbanks on a bush plane.

We have a local Indian Village Cop, VPSO; but he never arrests anybody; somewhat a rule in itself here. Our VPSO has been community member for over 30 years and well liked, never ever would even think about enforcing many laws that are bread & butter for revenue enhancement most places. VPSO has a drunk tank at his office in the Indian Village. Indians have an alcohol problem but are other than that; I'd rather be around those guys over the rural Whites as the Indians really don't believe they are under any govt, state or fed and ignore their laws. We could learn a little from those backward Natives. Ya, our VPSO takes keys off people rather than locking them up, helps elders get firewood, and generally is in charge and everybody values his judgment & leadership; boy I'd hate to lose him, be awful hard getting another as good.

We don't have an organized local govt here, so no taxes, or regulations and no need for cops to tell everybody they are getting fined. So much more freedom and locals are forced to settle their own disputes, not call the cops all the time on each other.

You really got to work at it to get the state boys to fly in to get ya. They have put a trooper in some of the larger, crazier Indian Villages, but they don't last. They start believing & acting like they are there to enforce the law and licenses and plates and speed limits and alcohol laws and just everything you can imagine. Once they send 3-4 locals off to jail, the village leadership turns on them and they are gone pretty quick.

Sorry to go on, but it sure is nice not having any real law enforcement to think about. If we had a real cop here, pretty quick the idiots would be demanding laws to keep the cop busy and all, well you get the idea. People tell me, you live there cause no taxes, or no cell towers, or no regulations, or you are paranoid or whatever. I like not having no law enforcement more than anything. That means everybody thinks they run the show and everybody else tells them to shove it, they don't care what they think; and it works. No crime, everybody is armed for bear in warmer weather, and hasn't been a murder for over 30 years and that guy was drowned by his drunk buddies.

There are places though, where there still is freedom.

carver · 02-27-2011, 11:45 AM

I watch the show on TV, History Chanel I think, "Alaska State Troupers". It was on this show that I heard about how few of these folks y'all have up there. And I also know about the VPSO's from this source. The more I learn about this state, the more I like! Y'all got room for a cajun like me?

muddober · 02-27-2011, 12:17 PM

Zhurh, I am curious do you live in Alaska or Canada? Also what do most people do there for a living? If I have been too personal I apologize?

Ron

Zhurh · 02-27-2011, 02:14 PM

The oil industry sends people from Louisiana all the time. Years back, I worked for Era Aviation and we had Lake Charles connection. We even had a guy here, called Louisiana John for quite a few years. He was nuts but harmless, but beat the heck outta many locals that got in his face. He wasn't a bad guy, avoided trouble, ect. I remember one musher gave him a team of old dogs, and he ate half of them over the winter, had the town talking; ha. Then after about 10 years old John went off the deep end and wanted to go back to Louisiana. Apparently, John had hid out in Alaska from some crime in Louisiana. He called them up down there to turn himself in, face his crimes, go to jail and all;;;; and they told him not to call no more, ha ha. They said if he didn't come back, they weren't going to come here looking for him; but if he continued to bother them; he'd wish he hadn't. True story.

Wife and I have our teaching certifications, can pretty much go anywheres and find something to do. It's pretty tough to live off the land just the same. We have taught in several Indian Villages and in the MatSu. Been here over a dozen years, and somewhat hard to leave for any reason. We like living the going back in time lifestyle; or that's how it seems to us.

Look on the map, where the Yukon comes in from Canada, we are 4 miles from the border. Cold country, 30 below tonight they say, and we have a summer road open 6 months a year to get supplies in. Summers are 80 degrees and 24 hr sunshine.

Probably places all over the country that still retain their freedom, way out in the mnts. We never had countys here, so many rural areas lack organized local govt, and the people keep it that way. No govt, no need for regulations & laws & control & taxes. I'd find it quite difficult living in any urban area, probably be locked up within days of moving there for something quite normal here; but that will never happen, staying put.

JLA · 02-27-2011, 02:53 PM

im jealous...

al45lc · 02-28-2011, 08:33 AM

Although good, the problem is how to carry in another state that only recognizes your PERMIT to carry concealed. No permit, no carry in states that used to have reciprocity.

redwing carson · 03-02-2011, 12:55 AM

The states that allow permitless carry is limited to the state only. Alaska, Arizonia, Wyoming will still have permits for anyone wanting one. They will still be able to carry in any other friendly state. The permitless rule applies to anyone who believes that it is their right to carry in their home state with out trng, or buying permits, or being indentified as a permit holder by the police.

RC

45Auto · 03-02-2011, 04:53 PM

It's good to see so many states moving closer to freedom for the common citizen.

As for reciprocity, some states will let an out of state person obtain a permit from them without being a resident. Before Michigan's Shall Issue law, some folks would get a Florida permit because Florida had reciprocity. From what I recall, you did not even have to visit Florida to get the licence. However, you did have to pay a fee for the licence! (a state's got to make a buck, I guess).

jim brady · 03-02-2011, 05:50 PM

That's great news to hear, Redwing! They're talking about doing the same thing in Colorado, but there are way too many liberals in Denver to let that happen.

Just by-the-way, my wife had her checkbook with driver's license and CCW card stolen from just about under her nose last Saturday while grocery shopping. She couldn't run faster than the thief to catch her. Clean, well dressed lady, blonde, white sweater and slacks in her late 30s. The security guard (?!!!) at the door said he couldn't stop her legally. That would have violated HER rights........

The thing that REEKED was replacing the license and cancelling out her bank account and two measly little low limit credit cards. The thief didn't even score any cash - the wife was going to pay with a check. Now we also have to jump thru hoops to get a duplicate CCW card.

02-25-2011, 03:55 PM	#1
redwing carson Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: western wyoming Posts: 734	No Carry permit needed The Wyoming House today passed the right to carry concealed weapons with out a state issued permit. Any citizen in Wyoming 21 years of age can carry a concealed weapon without a permit. Open carry has always been legal. Wyoming has a very liberal permit system for those traveling out of state. The problem arose when open carry guns were covered up by winter gear. Now that is fixed. RC -->

02-25-2011, 04:09 PM	#2
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: No Carry permit needed Always good to hear that there are state legislatures whose heads aren't up their posteriors! __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

02-25-2011, 04:10 PM	#3
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,076	Re: No Carry permit needed Congrats on that one. Good news! __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

02-25-2011, 06:09 PM	#4
glens67 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Middleton, ID Contributor Posts: 951	Re: No Carry permit needed Hey Idaho is doing that now. As of President’s Day, the Idaho Senate had introduced Senate Bill 1126 and assigned it to the State Affairs Committee. Commonly known as Permitless Carry legislation, this bill would amend the existing concealed carry law to allow law-abiding Idahoans to carry a concealed firearm without the burdensome requirement of acquiring an Idaho carry permit. The approval of this pivotal legislation would bode well for law-abiding citizens of Idaho who wish to protect not only themselves but family and friends alike. Glen

02-25-2011, 06:26 PM	#5
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: No Carry permit needed alright

02-25-2011, 06:55 PM	#6
springerbuster V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Southwest Washington Posts: 154	Re: No Carry permit needed What does the law say about non residents traveling through Idaho or Wyoming? Just curious?

02-25-2011, 08:31 PM	#7
Bodyguard Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: So Central Kentucky Posts: 24	Re: No Carry permit needed Kentucky also has a similar law going through the process. It's a great idea but if all the currently reciprocating states don't change something, we who can carry in our own state would no longer have a permit to carry for others to acknowledge. Kentucky recognizes this problem though and if the new law passes it will still issue permits to those of us who wish to have one. I, for one, will continue to renew mine. BG

02-25-2011, 09:03 PM	#9
New Guy Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 34	Re: No Carry permit needed I need to move the hell out of Illinois. __________________ I'm here because when I don't know things I find it's usually a good idea to ask people much smarter than me.

02-25-2011, 11:16 PM	#10
Zhurh Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Upper Yukon, Alaska Posts: 1,819	Re: No Carry permit needed Been that way in Alaska, good many years. Everybody has sidearms in Ak, many places no law enforcement, and it is quite acceptable to walk in the local school with pistol on the belt. State police were having problems enforcing gun laws anyway. Once the populace begins to ignore gun laws anyway; they have to change them. One thing the politicals don't want is the people to not voluntarily obey the laws they institute; scares them bad. They have to have voluntary compliance for everything to go smooth.

02-26-2011, 12:19 AM	#11
Rooster Cogburn V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: North Carolina Contributor Posts: 109	Re: No Carry permit needed Lived in NJ for so many years and didn't even bother trying to get a pistol permit (hell, you even needed a permit for a BB gun). Moved to NC and within a year I had my CCW.

02-26-2011, 07:56 AM	#12
redwing carson Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: western wyoming Posts: 734	Re: No Carry permit needed This would not have happened with out the NRA and WGO[Wyoming Gun Owners]. These were the only two Orgs. fighting for our rights. It sure caused heart burn when some of the other so called gun rights out fits used this issue to get money. They however did zip for our cause. RC

02-26-2011, 04:44 PM	#14
Teejay9 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Southwest Corner of the US, "Where no stinking fence will stop us!!" Posts: 1,257	Re: No Carry permit needed That's pretty cool, a bit more apprehension for the police at a traffic stop, but pretty good just the same. I'm wondering how long it will take California to legalize concealed carry? TJ __________________ A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have". Thomas Jefferson

02-27-2011, 10:11 AM	#15
redwing carson Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: western wyoming Posts: 734	Re: No Carry permit needed The most vocal group against the right to carry was the Anti-Gun FOP. In this state most everyone carries a gun while traveling. Open carry and concealed and loaded in the car or truck has always been legal. [no change here] It really does not change things all that much. I like the fact that when wearing coats that cover up your open carry, it will no longer be a problem. DK

02-27-2011, 11:32 AM	#17
Zhurh Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Upper Yukon, Alaska Posts: 1,819	Re: No Carry permit needed I'm not sure about the numbers. We live along the Yukon, rural community of 100 Whites & 30 Indians; 200 miles from nearest town or state police; and our road is closed half the year; 20 foot of snow on road on summits. I actually like the road being closed, even though you have to spend nearly $400 to fly into Fairbanks on a bush plane. We have a local Indian Village Cop, VPSO; but he never arrests anybody; somewhat a rule in itself here. Our VPSO has been community member for over 30 years and well liked, never ever would even think about enforcing many laws that are bread & butter for revenue enhancement most places. VPSO has a drunk tank at his office in the Indian Village. Indians have an alcohol problem but are other than that; I'd rather be around those guys over the rural Whites as the Indians really don't believe they are under any govt, state or fed and ignore their laws. We could learn a little from those backward Natives. Ya, our VPSO takes keys off people rather than locking them up, helps elders get firewood, and generally is in charge and everybody values his judgment & leadership; boy I'd hate to lose him, be awful hard getting another as good. We don't have an organized local govt here, so no taxes, or regulations and no need for cops to tell everybody they are getting fined. So much more freedom and locals are forced to settle their own disputes, not call the cops all the time on each other. You really got to work at it to get the state boys to fly in to get ya. They have put a trooper in some of the larger, crazier Indian Villages, but they don't last. They start believing & acting like they are there to enforce the law and licenses and plates and speed limits and alcohol laws and just everything you can imagine. Once they send 3-4 locals off to jail, the village leadership turns on them and they are gone pretty quick. Sorry to go on, but it sure is nice not having any real law enforcement to think about. If we had a real cop here, pretty quick the idiots would be demanding laws to keep the cop busy and all, well you get the idea. People tell me, you live there cause no taxes, or no cell towers, or no regulations, or you are paranoid or whatever. I like not having no law enforcement more than anything. That means everybody thinks they run the show and everybody else tells them to shove it, they don't care what they think; and it works. No crime, everybody is armed for bear in warmer weather, and hasn't been a murder for over 30 years and that guy was drowned by his drunk buddies. There are places though, where there still is freedom.

02-27-2011, 11:45 AM	#18
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,268	Re: No Carry permit needed I watch the show on TV, History Chanel I think, "Alaska State Troupers". It was on this show that I heard about how few of these folks y'all have up there. And I also know about the VPSO's from this source. The more I learn about this state, the more I like! Y'all got room for a cajun like me? __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

02-27-2011, 12:17 PM	#19
muddober Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,436	Re: No Carry permit needed Zhurh, I am curious do you live in Alaska or Canada? Also what do most people do there for a living? If I have been too personal I apologize? Ron

02-27-2011, 02:14 PM	#20
Zhurh Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Upper Yukon, Alaska Posts: 1,819	Re: No Carry permit needed The oil industry sends people from Louisiana all the time. Years back, I worked for Era Aviation and we had Lake Charles connection. We even had a guy here, called Louisiana John for quite a few years. He was nuts but harmless, but beat the heck outta many locals that got in his face. He wasn't a bad guy, avoided trouble, ect. I remember one musher gave him a team of old dogs, and he ate half of them over the winter, had the town talking; ha. Then after about 10 years old John went off the deep end and wanted to go back to Louisiana. Apparently, John had hid out in Alaska from some crime in Louisiana. He called them up down there to turn himself in, face his crimes, go to jail and all;;;; and they told him not to call no more, ha ha. They said if he didn't come back, they weren't going to come here looking for him; but if he continued to bother them; he'd wish he hadn't. True story. Wife and I have our teaching certifications, can pretty much go anywheres and find something to do. It's pretty tough to live off the land just the same. We have taught in several Indian Villages and in the MatSu. Been here over a dozen years, and somewhat hard to leave for any reason. We like living the going back in time lifestyle; or that's how it seems to us. Look on the map, where the Yukon comes in from Canada, we are 4 miles from the border. Cold country, 30 below tonight they say, and we have a summer road open 6 months a year to get supplies in. Summers are 80 degrees and 24 hr sunshine. Probably places all over the country that still retain their freedom, way out in the mnts. We never had countys here, so many rural areas lack organized local govt, and the people keep it that way. No govt, no need for regulations & laws & control & taxes. I'd find it quite difficult living in any urban area, probably be locked up within days of moving there for something quite normal here; but that will never happen, staying put.

02-27-2011, 02:53 PM	#21
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,317	Re: No Carry permit needed im jealous... __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

02-28-2011, 08:33 AM	#22
al45lc Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: colorful colorado Posts: 1,016	Re: No Carry permit needed Although good, the problem is how to carry in another state that only recognizes your PERMIT to carry concealed. No permit, no carry in states that used to have reciprocity. __________________ You are what you do, when it counts.

03-02-2011, 12:55 AM	#23
redwing carson Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: western wyoming Posts: 734	Re: No Carry permit needed The states that allow permitless carry is limited to the state only. Alaska, Arizonia, Wyoming will still have permits for anyone wanting one. They will still be able to carry in any other friendly state. The permitless rule applies to anyone who believes that it is their right to carry in their home state with out trng, or buying permits, or being indentified as a permit holder by the police. RC

03-02-2011, 04:53 PM	#24
45Auto Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,121	Re: No Carry permit needed It's good to see so many states moving closer to freedom for the common citizen. As for reciprocity, some states will let an out of state person obtain a permit from them without being a resident. Before Michigan's Shall Issue law, some folks would get a Florida permit because Florida had reciprocity. From what I recall, you did not even have to visit Florida to get the licence. However, you did have to pay a fee for the licence! (a state's got to make a buck, I guess).

03-02-2011, 05:50 PM	#25
jim brady Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,073	Re: No Carry permit needed That's great news to hear, Redwing! They're talking about doing the same thing in Colorado, but there are way too many liberals in Denver to let that happen. Just by-the-way, my wife had her checkbook with driver's license and CCW card stolen from just about under her nose last Saturday while grocery shopping. She couldn't run faster than the thief to catch her. Clean, well dressed lady, blonde, white sweater and slacks in her late 30s. The security guard (?!!!) at the door said he couldn't stop her legally. That would have violated HER rights........ The thing that REEKED was replacing the license and cancelling out her bank account and two measly little low limit credit cards. The thief didn't even score any cash - the wife was going to pay with a check. Now we also have to jump thru hoops to get a duplicate CCW card.