reciprocity

[jms]

It would be so nice if this went thru.

http://www.citizens4freedom.com/Arti...-US-House.aspx

[shorter260513]

this would be great

[RunningOnMT]

As nice as reciprocity would be, this bill seems flawed to me. It seems out of bounds for the federal government to force one state to accept the standards of another. It's not that they shouldn't, I just don't think it's the feds business.

If the federal government wants to fulfill it's true role, they should be demanding that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed as the constitution states. Licensing is infringment.

[BillM]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

If the federal government wants to fulfill it's true role, they should be demanding that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed as the constitution states. Licensing is infringment.

Agreed, but reciprocity would sure be a step in the right direction. We have
it in drivers licenses and marriage licenses--seems more than reasonable that
we should have it in concealed carry licenses. Could get interesting. I
assume that you would still have to abide by the carry laws in whatever
state you were in, same as traffic laws? Example: Here is Oregon I can
carry about anywhere. Federal facilities and courts are not allowed, but
church, bars, even the state capitol are OK. I was in New Mexico a
couple of years ago, (legal on my Utah permit), and if I read the law
correctly, carrying in a restuarant that served alcohol was a felony!

[ozo]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

If the federal government wants to fulfill it's true role, they should be demanding that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed as the constitution states. Licensing is infringment.

This is how our country should be run, across the board, no variation.
Enforce the laws we already have. Just simply count the number of things
[most of them stupid] going on around this country in the last 10yrs
that would not have wasted [wasting] time and tax money, afforded a high living standard, kept states economy out of the red, etc, simply by laws we have and following the Constitution. DUH??

[armedandsafe]

Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

I would argue that passing legislation establishing concealed carry licensing is a "public act."

Pops

[ozo]

But our right already exists to keep and bear arms.
The 'rules' since our founding have only progressed to
diminish those rights. Now we have to argue to not just
retain them, but in lieu of those rights being 'stepped on'
over time.
We have 'panty-waisted' judges that have 'interpreted' our
rights right down to the bone. Likened to the re-writing
of the bible, and the word now means {this}, according
to our scholars !

[ozo]

I keep hearing " it's all in the interpretation".........
I am tired of hearing that.
We clearly have it, or we don't.
I mean no offense, not even to the sucka** idiots
that have been elected to 'speak for us', but the clarity already exists.
Let our 'leaders' uphold it TO THE 'T'.

[millwright]

For me this comes down to, "the power to enforce equals the power to control equals the power to deny.....IMNSHO, let the statesd work it out between themselves. Our Constitution acknowledges they have those powers. It does not acknowledge the federal government can overrule them. >MW

[ozo]

Amen.
Let them tell Texas what height the LONE STAR can be flown.

[fleetwood1976]

Yeah, I can't go to illinois because they don't honor my permit. KY is ok though.

[armedandsafe]

Originally Posted by fleetwood1976

Yeah, I can't go to illinois because they don't honor my permit. KY is ok though.

You, Sir, are obviously not a Democrat politician.

Pops

[ozo]

Originally Posted by armedandsafe

You, Sir, are obviously not a Democrat politician.

Pops

Yeah, Pops, and he would have to pay his own way,
since I'm sure he has no slush fund to cover the cost
at taxpayer's expense.
I sure hope the ball keeps rollin' in IL on their permit laws....
little by little.

[Old Guy]

We must be careful for what we wish for with the Feds. The new driver's licenses are actually a form of national ID. It is one thing to let the states do their own thing and recognize the validity of that, but now the Feds are requiring more and more for the Fed data base. A national reciprocity act while seemingly a good thing could easily be manipulated into another Fed data base that could then be used against us in the future. Why not simply honor the second amendment as it is supposed to be, not infringed? The more that we allow what appears to be innocuous to occur, the more our individual rights and freedoms become infringed.

[ozo]

The CDL I was forced to get in 1991 was to be a 'national drivers' license.
With HazMat on it, I was forced to pay $90 for fingerprinting.
With my TWIC card, same damn thing.
With carry permit, same damn thing.
Ain't no hiding.......

[carver]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

As nice as reciprocity would be, this bill seems flawed to me. It seems out of bounds for the federal government to force one state to accept the standards of another. It's not that they shouldn't, I just don't think it's the feds business.

If the federal government wants to fulfill it's true role, they should be demanding that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed as the constitution states. Licensing is infringment.

We are on the same page here. A license/permit to carry is an infringment on our 2nd Amendment rights. A license/permit to purchase certain firearms is an infringment on our 2nd Amendment rights (full autos). It doen't matter if it comes from the State, or the Federal Government. While the State does have the power to regulate, it is the Federal Government's job to not allow States to infring on our rights, all of them. That being said, the Federal Government has never had the right to infring on our rights, and still does not have that power today, except that the States have allowed this illegal power takeover. In other words the Constitution hasn't been changed, the States have just allowed the Fed to do what it wants. Meaning that you have no rights unless the Fed goes around the Constitution, and tells you what you can, and can not, do. This is a bunch of crap. The laws are laid out for us all, and it's time we elected politicians that will stand for our Constitution, and the laws of our land!

[Terry_P]

As much of a pain the current system is I don't wish to have more power federally. Buried in these bills and amendments is a lot you don't see. Imagine some real or imagined national security threat and then the president suspending all CCL's indefinitely. I suspect Obama would have used the Arizona murders and shootings to do so if he could have. Sort of like drilling off the coast for oil after the BP spill. The last thing we need right now is more power centralized in Washington.

[hunter29180]

umm..going to get flamed i think..i do believe any firearm purchase from a dealer of any firearm should be checked through a national database, i think all states should be required to report any felon to that list and any other person who should not be allowed to purchase a gun..that being said i do feel even that is somewhat infringment on our rights..but better that than the buthole felon infringing on our life..carry of any type should be allowed under our laws as set down by our founding fathers to responsible people. the problem comes about in the cases such as what happened in AZ. there was just no way to tell this guy had went off the deepend..or even when he lost it mentaly till he acted it out.

[millwright]

OZO,

Doesn't all of this make you wonder "WHY" ? On one hand, if the Fed has such a reach into our personal lives, why doesn't it "carry over" from one "permit-controlled" activity to another ? BTDTGTTS ! As a long-time mfg rep visiting a lot of DOD sites around the nation I wore hard on a lot of good many friendships using - with permission - their names as references for every "background check" conducted !!

OTOH, if government was truely as efficient as we would wish, it would offer not chance for any of us to "squeak through the cracks"...... >MW

[madmantrapper]

Every body with a Social Security Number is already registered.

[redwing carson]

This will allow the Feds to take control over your concealed carry permits. The BATF and the FBI will set up rules under the commerce act. They will require Natl Trng, approve only certain fire arms clips etc. The Fed set standards for your car or truck. They have all sorts of control over you car on any Federal funded highway which is every road these days. They dictate mileage standards for any car you purchase. Don't you think they will dictate how many rounds you mag can hold. Be very careful what you wish for.

RC

[American Leader]

I'm with the "Old Guy" and not because I'm 62/63! The feds always use this kinda stuff to take more rights away