Is this a good deal??? - The Firearms Forum

jlloyd73 · 02-27-2011, 09:32 PM

http://www.shop.hawriveroutdoors.com...-PAR-GI45S.htm

or maybe

http://www.shop.hawriveroutdoors.com...T-CIT45FSP.htm

gdmoody · 02-28-2011, 12:16 AM

Seems like pretty fair prices to me. Check with Double D and maybe he can save you some money even with shipping to your local FFL. Don't hurt to check!!

mncarpenter · 02-28-2011, 07:39 AM

I've been looking too. The stainless GI Expert is cheaper than Buds Gun Shop. The Citadel is in the ballpark, for some reason the Citadel's have been higher priced than the American Classic II, and they are pretty much the same gun. I think the biggest difference is the Citadel has an ambi safety and the Classic II doesn't. I have handled both, and actually like the Classic II better, it has a blued finish vs parkerised and the new Citadel I looked at had scratches and scuffs on it just from being handled and racked. The used Classic II's I looked had didn't have a mark on 'em and the bluing looked really nice, and both had been fired some, at least. Everything else identical, from what I could see. I also picked up an Expert(black) and looked it over, for the extra money , couldn't see a correlation in value, other than it is American Made, and that has some value, even if it is a bunch of transplanted Canadians...Buds has all three guns and free shipping, so that helps.

jlloyd73 · 02-28-2011, 07:55 AM

I like the American Classic too, but I am having a hard time finding a good selection.

Double D · 02-28-2011, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gdmoody

Seems like pretty fair prices to me. Check with Double D and maybe he can save you some money even with shipping to your local FFL. Don't hurt to check!!

Thanks George. Its hard to beat the guys that dont pay any shipping. But hopefully one day.....

Helix_FR · 02-28-2011, 10:00 AM

Are they good deals? Yep, but a Para 1911? Why?

jlloyd73 · 02-28-2011, 12:38 PM

I am just looking for a good 1911 at a reasonable price that I can do some upgrades without having $700 + into it. I like the Armscor guns because I think they are a good product for a reasonable price. I really haven't looked into the Para stuff really but I liked that SS frame and slide......should be easy to take care of.

Old Guy · 03-01-2011, 07:22 AM

Para has their own specs and you will find it more difficult to add non-Para parts if you want to dress up the gun in the future.

DGG! · 03-01-2011, 12:48 PM

Para also has been getting lots of complaints about poor quality, failure to load, eject, etc.

azlester · 03-10-2011, 11:29 AM

I own an American Classic II and love it. For the money you can't beat it. The slide and barrel are both hammer forged and the slide to frame fit is tight and smooth. The pistol shoots great and handles ball and hollowpoints with ease. The ACT mag that comes with it works well and so do the CMC Match 8 rounders I got from Midway when they are on sale($15.99). For a starter 1911 it has all the bells and whistles and I wouldn't trade it for all the Glocks in Austria!
I got it from Bud's as they had the best price at the time. I am thinking of getting one of American Classic's commander sized next.

American Leader · 03-10-2011, 12:40 PM

Boy, this topic comes up alot! J, don't forget to check out the Taurus and the Remington. Both are around $600 and they been sayin good things on here about both (mostly). I have a Taurus and love it. Everyone is probably tired of hearin that because I love all my guns and tell you guys all the time!

02-27-2011, 09:32 PM	#1
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02-28-2011, 12:16 AM	#2
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,331	Re: Is this a good deal??? Seems like pretty fair prices to me. Check with Double D and maybe he can save you some money even with shipping to your local FFL. Don't hurt to check!! __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

02-28-2011, 07:39 AM	#3
mncarpenter V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Minnesota Contributor Posts: 479	Re: Is this a good deal??? I've been looking too. The stainless GI Expert is cheaper than Buds Gun Shop. The Citadel is in the ballpark, for some reason the Citadel's have been higher priced than the American Classic II, and they are pretty much the same gun. I think the biggest difference is the Citadel has an ambi safety and the Classic II doesn't. I have handled both, and actually like the Classic II better, it has a blued finish vs parkerised and the new Citadel I looked at had scratches and scuffs on it just from being handled and racked. The used Classic II's I looked had didn't have a mark on 'em and the bluing looked really nice, and both had been fired some, at least. Everything else identical, from what I could see. I also picked up an Expert(black) and looked it over, for the extra money , couldn't see a correlation in value, other than it is American Made, and that has some value, even if it is a bunch of transplanted Canadians...Buds has all three guns and free shipping, so that helps. __________________ *"No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is as formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women."- Ronald Reagan* *"Remember to have your democrats neutered or spayed" -Ann Coulter*

02-28-2011, 07:55 AM	#4
jlloyd73 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,931	Re: Is this a good deal??? I like the American Classic too, but I am having a hard time finding a good selection.

02-28-2011, 10:00 AM	#6
Helix_FR TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 3,621	Re: Is this a good deal??? Are they good deals? Yep, but a Para 1911? Why? __________________ Only cowards shoot with their eyes closed.... helixgunsmith.com

02-28-2011, 12:38 PM	#7
jlloyd73 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,931	Re: Is this a good deal??? I am just looking for a good 1911 at a reasonable price that I can do some upgrades without having $700 + into it. I like the Armscor guns because I think they are a good product for a reasonable price. I really haven't looked into the Para stuff really but I liked that SS frame and slide......should be easy to take care of.

03-01-2011, 07:22 AM	#8
Old Guy V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Beaufort County, NC Contributor Posts: 342	Re: Is this a good deal??? Para has their own specs and you will find it more difficult to add non-Para parts if you want to dress up the gun in the future. __________________ Old Guy ___________ NRA Life Member GOA Life Member

03-01-2011, 12:48 PM	#9
DGG! V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 160	Re: Is this a good deal??? Para also has been getting lots of complaints about poor quality, failure to load, eject, etc.

03-10-2011, 11:29 AM	#10
azlester Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 11	Re: Is this a good deal??? I own an American Classic II and love it. For the money you can't beat it. The slide and barrel are both hammer forged and the slide to frame fit is tight and smooth. The pistol shoots great and handles ball and hollowpoints with ease. The ACT mag that comes with it works well and so do the CMC Match 8 rounders I got from Midway when they are on sale($15.99). For a starter 1911 it has all the bells and whistles and I wouldn't trade it for all the Glocks in Austria! I got it from Bud's as they had the best price at the time. I am thinking of getting one of American Classic's commander sized next.

03-10-2011, 12:40 PM	#11
American Leader Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,630	Re: Is this a good deal??? Boy, this topic comes up alot! J, don't forget to check out the Taurus and the Remington. Both are around $600 and they been sayin good things on here about both (mostly). I have a Taurus and love it. Everyone is probably tired of hearin that because I love all my guns and tell you guys all the time!