yep. when I think back of all the sat night special priced guns over the years.. many have been discussed here.. bryco.. jenninggs, raven, lorcin.. haskel.. few get favorable comments. i think haskel is one of the few.. ( i have one of each.. haskel is the only good one out of the bunch! ).. then toss in hi point. cheap.. yet shoots reliably. the raven, jennings, bryco, and lorcins out there.. well... not so much..