Question is NOT going to go AWAY.....

[redwing carson]

The most powerful man in the world can not produce an orginal birth certficate?? A wet back from Mexico fresh out of the Rio Grande , for $50 bucks he can produce a SS card, Birth record, Texas drivers permit, Concealed carry permit, welfare card, Democrat party membership card, and buy a new Chibby Pickup in less than 24 hours.Good luck


RC

[cycloneman]

If your not willing to lay down your cards for all to see then your hiding something. In a public job like this you should be willing to expose your life. The fact that he has not means there is a group of well funded well organized people keeping this lid on.

So lets add it up.

#1. Is he a natural born citizen? NOPE! Why? Simple he has yet to prove it. THAT IS FACT! THERE SHOULD BE NO DOUBT IN ANYONES MIND.

2. Who is behind it? You can bet it's got 3 letters.

3. Why? Is there any question to this? Wake up.

Is money going to bring justice or the truth. I dont think so. We dont have the printing press.

[WABob]

Originally Posted by Bobitis

The man could easily put this to rest. He choses not to.

Many questions have been raised as to his elligibility/schooling/passport records, etc.

Why is this an issue? Put the documents out there for the people to see.
Seems like a no brainer to me.

From what Obama says, he has already proved it with the Certification of Live Birth. Hawaii State says it is valid, good enough for everyone putting the names on the ballot in the country as far as I know. Obama is not going to budge unless some court orders him too. And so far every lawsuit has been dismissed even by the convservative judges.

If there was a way to force the Hawaii goernment to show the original, I would be all for it. No way it is going to satisfy everyone though. There will be more than a few yelling "Fake!" if the original is posted for all to see.

[bamashooter]

Originally Posted by redwing carson

The most powerful man in the world can not produce an orginal birth certficate?? A wet back from Mexico fresh out of the Rio Grande , for $50 bucks he can produce a SS card, Birth record, Texas drivers permit, Concealed carry permit, welfare card, Democrat party membership card, and buy a new Chibby Pickup in less than 24 hours.Good luck


RC

laughed for 5 min. when I read that. Thanks redwing. thats priceless.

[WABob]

Originally Posted by redwing carson

The most powerful man in the world can not produce an orginal birth certficate?? A wet back from Mexico fresh out of the Rio Grande , for $50 bucks he can produce a SS card, Birth record, Texas drivers permit, Concealed carry permit, welfare card, Democrat party membership card, and buy a new Chibby Pickup in less than 24 hours.

I think "the most powerful man in the world" refuses to produce an original and is settling on a computer printout. He is going to get away with it unless Hawaii changes their law or enough states with an appropriate number of electors refuses to put him on the ballot unless he coughs up a copy of the original.

Obama has the law on his side for now. If you guys want him out without voting him out, then the laws need to be changed. We will need to do much better than backing the likes of Judy Burges though. She is going about it the wrong way.

[WABob]

Originally Posted by cycloneman

#1. Is he a natural born citizen? NOPE! Why? Simple he has yet to prove it. THAT IS FACT! THERE SHOULD BE NO DOUBT IN ANYONES MIND.

Seeing as how the evidence presented so far as failed to convince any judge in the country to allow a lawsuit to proceed very far, I would say that leaves room for lots of doubt.

In fact I have seen little more than talk on this forum and no real evidence.

[redwing carson]

Judges ruled for years that the 2nd Amendment only refered to militas rights to own firearms. Because Americans refused to accept this Federal over step of our rights it went to the high court. It was decided that American citizens were correct. There is something wrong,Americans know it.Good luck

RC

[Old Guy]

WABob:

I too have real doubts that he is qualified. I do believe that he is a dual citizen at best if a citizen at all. I think that the college records would indicate that as I believe he filed and got financial aid as a foreign student. I have seen the video where he is giving a speech and he claims to be Kenyan and also the one where Michelle acknowledges his Kenyan roots. The form that he produced is an actual form from Hawaii but it is not a certificate of live birth and could not be used to verify a persons identity to purchase a house and/or other legal issues in Hawaii. I believe that the Obama camp brought up John McCain's Panama Canal Zone birth as a smoke screen diversion away from Obama and as you know they bristled at any hint of the birth question or his rightful middle name of Hussein. The courts have so far refused to touch this issue because they say that it is Congress who should have done this (wolf in the hen house). The whole system is broken and corrupt and the elites are taking care of themselves. I do have a certified copy of my certificate of live birth and have had to produce it for my CDL and other things in life. All of my kids had to produce theirs for rec ball and such. I do think that he is hiding his lack of Constitutional qualification but I also think that the whole elite establishment is complicit in this. It is our fault for being asleep at the wheel for so many years and not being involved in the political process. We have been guilty of electing officials and really not holding them accountable. We vote and then we go about our lives and really do not pay attention to what is going on and what laws have passed. All is not totally lost yet, but we have to work diligently to turn this thing around(and fast). The Obama mystery may never be known but he has spent millions to keep that mystery and there really does not seem to be anyone who knew him prior to the 90's. It is interesting that everyone knew of GW's college days, his National Guard service, his drinking, etc. But with Obama there is nothing. It is almost as he did not exist.

[WABob]

Originally Posted by Old Guy

I have seen the video where he is giving a speech and he claims to be Kenyan and also the one where Michelle acknowledges his Kenyan roots. The form that he produced is an actual form from Hawaii but it is not a certificate of live birth and could not be used to verify a persons identity to purchase a house and/or other legal issues in Hawaii.

But those same people also say he was born in the USA, so which statements do you believe. Were those statements meant to be metaphorical?

Why could the certification of live birth that Obama produced not be used to verify a person's identity? Hawaii State law says it is good enough. Is there some other law I am missing here? People keep saying it is not good enough, but it seems to be based upon their own special criteria, not the law. While that form is short on details, the law is the law until it is changed.

[rentalguy1]

Originally Posted by WABob

But those same people also say he was born in the USA, so which statements do you believe. Were those statements meant to be metaphorical?

Why could the certification of live birth that Obama produced not be used to verify a person's identity? Hawaii State law says it is good enough. Is there some other law I am missing here? People keep saying it is not good enough, but it seems to be based upon their own special criteria, not the law. While that form is short on details, the law is the law until it is changed.

You seem to missing the point here. Anyone can register a birth in HI with bogus information. The state does not verify the information for the document that Obama has produced. Only the certificate of live birth that is submitted by the hospital has the pertinent data on it. The one Obama produced did not have the hospital name or the physician's name. All it says is that Obama was born in HI, but has no data to verify that claim. It is exactly the same with the newspaper. I can go to the health department in HI today, fill out a form, and have a birth certificate from that state claiming that I was born there, when I was in fact born in TN. No verification by the state.

[WABob]

Originally Posted by rentalguy1

You seem to missing the point here. Anyone can register a birth in HI with bogus information. The state does not verify the information for the document that Obama has produced. .....

I can go to the health department in HI today, fill out a form, and have a birth certificate from that state claiming that I was born there, when I was in fact born in TN. No verification by the state.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscur...-0017_0008.htm

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

So if the law requires proof, why do you claim that they do not? Surely you have a good reason to accuse the Hawaii State Director of Health of fraud? I wonder what a conversaion between you and the director would sound like.

I do not think you could obtain a Hawiian birth certificate showing that you were born in HI when you were actually born in TN. As far as I know it would be a misdemeanor to do so. Better not try. Have you ever contacted the Hawaii Director of Health to discuss this before making the accusation?

Hawaii can also issue birth certificates to aliens. http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscur...-0020_0005.htm

.....The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth, and that the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued or for the adoptive parents.

There are penalties for fraud regarding birth certificates in Hawaii, some of which are here. http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscur..._0338-0030.htm

Better think twice before getting your new birth certificate showing you were born in Hawaii. Going to put your money and freedom where you mouth is?

[Double D]

Your argument is that no one here is producing any facts that he was not born here. I have never seen any that he was. It is my opinion that not producing the original when the core of the american people are asking for it makes you guilty. Just like the muslims that wont speak out against the so called radical muslims. They too are guilty. Your either with them or against them. This radical anti american looser they call president could produce a certificate that could be the real deal and I still say he is not american. He will always be a non qualified anti american muslim terrorist to me. I dont care what any piece of paper says.

[rentalguy1]

Originally Posted by WABob

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscur...-0017_0008.htm



So if the law requires proof, why do you claim that they do not? Surely you have a good reason to accuse the Hawaii State Director of Health of fraud? I wonder what a conversaion between you and the director would sound like.

I do not think you could obtain a Hawiian birth certificate showing that you were born in HI when you were actually born in TN. As far as I know it would be a misdemeanor to do so. Better not try. Have you ever contacted the Hawaii Director of Health to discuss this before making the accusation?

Hawaii can also issue birth certificates to aliens. http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscur...-0020_0005.htm



There are penalties for fraud regarding birth certificates in Hawaii, some of which are here. http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscur..._0338-0030.htm

Better think twice before getting your new birth certificate showing you were born in Hawaii. Going to put your money and freedom where you mouth is?

He's not claiming to be foreign born, now is he? If he were, then we would not be having this discussion. You have posted the current law regarding certifying the birth of a foreign born child. What you need to be looking at is historical law from the 1960's regarding a child that is claimed to have been born in the state.

PS. this is my last post directed toward you regarding this matter. I'm sure you are a level headed, nice person, but you are content to accept whatever is spoon fed you from the government regarding this man's legitimacy. That don't jive in my court, and places you as one of "them."

[cycloneman]

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401

Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate
Signs affidavit declaring long-form, hospital-generated document absent


Read more: Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1I1GkluNU

[cycloneman]

in case anyone needs to know how to make a birth cert here are some instructions on making a birth cert for your scrap book. Now compaire this to the picture below. Dont even ask about a foot print or any signatures - oh no. What flavor juice is that your drinkning wabob? Gee every body knows it not the real thing unless you got the little gold sticker on it.

http://www.ehow.com/how_6048827_make...y-project.html


Instructions
things you'll need:
Certificate paper with border
Permanent marker (optional)
Ink and dip pen (optional)
Gold seal sticker
Gold paper (optional)
Zig-zag scissors (optional)
Glue (optional)

1
Select a paper type. For an official-looking birth certificate, use a heavy-stock, slightly tinted paper. Marbled paper also looks great. Use standard document-size paper.

2
Place your paper horizontally. Set your document size to have a horizontal layout if you are using a computer. In Microsoft Word, you can customize the size in the "Page Setup" window. Simply switch the traditional document size of an 8-1/2-inch width by an 11-inch height to have an 11-inch width by an 8-1/2-inch length.

3
Create a border. You can invent and draw your own border using permanent markers, or you can select a page border in Microsoft Word. Borders can be found in the "Format" menu of Word. Certificate paper with pre-printed borders are also widely available from paper suppliers.

4
Inscribe the name of the hospital where the birth took place at the top-center of the page. Use large, bold text and a fancy font. If you are making your certificate freehand, permanent markers can be used, or if you have the skills, you can use ink and a dip pen to make calligraphic text. If you are using a computer, use at least a 48 point font. Peruse the font styles in Word for one that works for you.

5
Inscribe the city and state where the hospital is located just below the hospital name. Use the same font style with a smaller font size. If you are using a computer, use between a 20 and a 24 point font.

6
Inscribe the words "Birth Certificate" one-third of the way down the center of the page. Go back to your large font size and feel free to capitalize the text or even change the font style to make this stand out more.

7
Inscribe the passage "This certifies that (baby's name) was born to (parents' names) in this hospital at (time of birth) on (date of birth)." Use the same font style as used with the hospital's name and a font size that is somewhat smaller than the size used in the hospital's name. If you are using a computer, use a 26 or 28 point font.

8
Use that same font style and size to inscribe the weight (in pounds and ounces) and the measurement (in inches) of the baby at the time of birth. Place this text just below the previous passage.

9
In the lower right-hand corner, put signature lines for the mother and the father. Optional signature lines can be included for the godparents, grandparents or doctor.

10
Place a gold seal sticker in the lower left-hand corner. Gold seal stickers are available from sticker suppliers. As an option you can also make you own by cutting out a round certificate seal from gold paper. Use zig-zag scissors to create an emblem border and attach it to the certificate with glue.



Read more: How to Make a Birth Certificate for a Baby Project | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_6048827_make...#ixzz1I1JsCcEj

[WABob]

Originally Posted by rentalguy1

He's not claiming to be foreign born, now is he? If he were, then we would not be having this discussion. You have posted the current law regarding certifying the birth of a foreign born child. What you need to be looking at is historical law from the 1960's regarding a child that is claimed to have been born in the state.

PS. this is my last post directed toward you regarding this matter. I'm sure you are a level headed, nice person, but you are content to accept whatever is spoon fed you from the government regarding this man's legitimacy. That don't jive in my court, and places you as one of "them."

You are missing the point. You claimed that Hawaii would issue a BC for an out of state birth that showed they were born in Hawaiai. Your proof: nothing of course. I merely posted a link to a law that says Hawaii does not do that in the case of alien births. Stop shifting goal posts.

You need to look at the 1960's law if you are going to make a claim. So far all we are getting from you is rentalguy1's law, and that don't cut it here.

How about you (or anyone else here) quote anything I wrote in this thread agreeing with anything Obama or the government has claimed. Some of the people here are letting their emotions get the better of them when making claims that are groundless.

I see rentalguy1 lacks the courage to show us how he can get the Hawaii government to commit fraud and issue him a BC showing he was born in Hawaii. I'm glad that was his last post, I will not be missing him.

[WABob]

Originally Posted by cycloneman

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401

Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate
Signs affidavit declaring long-form, hospital-generated document absent

Where is the affidavit? All I see is signatures.

[Old Guy]

The Donald released a copy of his certificate of live birth today since he has joined the argument. That is what we need to see from Obama, not a computer generated document that says that he is alive. I have the same type form for myself, my wife, and all three of my kids (grown). That is the certificate that is required as proof for little league anything, school, etc. in every state that I have ever lived in (5 so far). It was also required for me to obtain my commercial driver's license (CDL) that I mentioned earlier. It is also important how he obtained his higher education as well. If he filed as a foreign exchange student for financial assistance then he was as an adult claiming Indonesia, Kenya, or some other country as his home country then he would be claiming that country as his home, not the US. That would be very problematic. You cannot be a citizen of whatever country you want to claim whenever it is most convenient for your needs. Unfortunately this is not a cut and dried issue and too many have let it slide by long before now.

[cycloneman]

Originally Posted by WABob

Where is the affidavit? All I see is signatures.

YOu know your right. I would like to see the affidavit too.

And upon using your logic, all i see on obummer's live cert is basically the same thing (bs) opps wait ahhh not even a signature. OK

I want to see a cert of live birth, the doc who delivered the bum and a foot print

Honestly is this too much to ask to be the leader of the free or so called free world?

[Rocketman1]

Speaking of Donald Trump...
He has made a big deal about Obama's birth certificate not being real well..
It turns out that the birth certificate that Donal released today is not real either.

He released a "certificate of birth", which according to many is not the real thing, and it is not good enough to prove that he was born in the United States. It does not have the official seal of the health department as well a signature of the city registrar.

Donalds mother was born in Scotland, so she may not have been a US citizen.

He better release the real one soon if he wants to run for president!

LOL - This made my day!!

[cycloneman]

Originally Posted by Rocketman1

Speaking of Donald Trump...
He has made a big deal about Obama's birth certificate not being real well..
It turns out that the birth certificate that Donal released today is not real either.

He released a "certificate of birth", which according to many is not the real thing, and it is not good enough to prove that he was born in the United States. It does not have the official seal of the health department as well a signature of the city registrar.

Donalds mother was born in Scotland, so she may not have been a US citizen.

He better release the real one soon if he wants to run for president!

LOL - This made my day!!

I think Donald is trying to make a point.

[45nut]

What my boy Bobitus said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rentalguy1]

Originally Posted by WABob

You are missing the point. You claimed that Hawaii would issue a BC for an out of state birth that showed they were born in Hawaiai. Your proof: nothing of course. I merely posted a link to a law that says Hawaii does not do that in the case of alien births. Stop shifting goal posts.

You need to look at the 1960's law if you are going to make a claim. So far all we are getting from you is rentalguy1's law, and that don't cut it here.

How about you (or anyone else here) quote anything I wrote in this thread agreeing with anything Obama or the government has claimed. Some of the people here are letting their emotions get the better of them when making claims that are groundless.

I see rentalguy1 lacks the courage to show us how he can get the Hawaii government to commit fraud and issue him a BC showing he was born in Hawaii. I'm glad that was his last post, I will not be missing him.

You misread my post. I stated that I could go to HI, claim to have been born there, and legally obtain said certificate without substantially proving that it was so. You seem to think I meant that I would let them know that I was born somewhere else. That is not what I said. I said I could do it in the same manner Obama has done it.

EDIT: I just realized that I wasn't going to address you any more. I guess the need to set you straight, so that you may garner education outweighs my absolute disdain for your politics.

[Old Guy]

The Donald did release his real copy of the certificate of live birth later in the day.

[Rocketman1]

Originally Posted by Old Guy

The Donald did release his real copy of the certificate of live birth later in the day.

Oh.. but I'm sure its just a fake!

Take Care Old Guy