Question is NOT going to go AWAY.....

[cycloneman]

Originally Posted by Rocketman1

I got curious, so I pulled out my birth certificate to take a look at it.
For years all I had was what they call a "Mothers Certificate". It list the date of birth, my mother and fathers names and their place of residence, and is signed by the health commissioner.

A few years ago I sent off for an actual certified copy of my real birth certificate, so I could get a pass port.

The copy I have is get this... a "Certificate of Live Birth". It lists all of the above, with the addition of the hospital name and address, the doctor, and includes a raised seal saying that this document is an exact copy of the record on file with the health department.

Gee.. since I only have a Certificate of Live Birth, I guess that means it is worthless, and I can't prove that I'm a US citizen. But somehow I was able to obtain a pass port with this document.

Certificate of live Birth is not the same as a certification of live birth.

Read the document bozo provided it is a certification of live birth not a certificate of live birth. One is a joke and one is not

All that a certification of live birth says is that there is another document proving your birth. The other document is the certificate of live birth and that can mean you were born on the moon. Doesnt stop anyone from getting a certification of live birth in HI. My dog could probably get one.

[Rocketman1]

Originally Posted by cycloneman

Certificate of live Birth is not the same as a certification of live birth.

Read the document bozo provided it is a certification of live birth not a certificate of live birth. One is a joke and one is not

Ah... got it!

Take Care Cycloneman

[Bobitis]

Here's the alleged document.

[cycloneman]

Thanks Bob

Like I said my dog born on the moon could get a certification of live birth in HI.

It clearly says Certification NOT Certificate.

Bottom line is this the American public has not seen the certificate of live birth for bozo. The document Bob has posted is not a certificate of live birth. So we dont know where he was born, that is fact. If you think he was born in HI your a fool. If you think anything on that document is true your a fool untill the second certificate is provided proving the fact.

[Bobitis]

Here's another document.

[deen_ad]

Originally Posted by redwing carson

Judges ruled for years that the 2nd Amendment only refered to militas rights to own firearms.

RC

SCOTUS didn't. Some other judges may have

[deen_ad]

Originally Posted by Bobitis

Here's the alleged document.

The problem with it is the serial number has been redacted. Without that showing that it was issued years ago even this could be a fake.

[Bobitis]

I really get tired of posting this crap, as it NEVER convinces anyone bent on ignorance.

MY 'Certificate of Live Birth' has WAY more info recorded on it than Obies does. Mother and fathers name, fathers occupation and kind of business, parents birth place, age at time of birth, attending physician (with signature and home city), mothers signature, registrars signature, AND a raised seal bearing the signature of the Chief Deputy Registrar of Vital Statistics, city of my birth, and county.

I was born in 1957. My copy of my COLB is dated 1980. It was laminated for protection, and STILL has VERY noticable rasising of the notaries stamp.

Maybe Washington is different? I don't know.

All I can say is, Obies BC SUCKS compared to mine.

It's pretty clear to me. All ya gotta do is look at the two documents I've presented. You make the judgement based on your own research.

Here's another one.

[Bobitis]

So...
We have two documents that bare quite similar looks, and one that can clearly be fabricated.

Forgive me if I seem a tad bit skeptical.

I'm out of this one.

[cycloneman]

Originally Posted by Bobitis

I really get tired of posting this crap, as it NEVER convinces anyone bent on ignorance.

I know one thing I wish the SOB daddy would have used a condom

[OcelotZ3]

Really classy there.

[rentalguy1]

Originally Posted by cycloneman

I know one thing I wish the SOB daddy would have used a condom

If there was ever a legitimate argument FOR abortions, he would be it....

I wonder if his parents had any children that lived...

The best part of him ran down...nevermind

[Old Guy]

Link to The Donald's certificate of live birth.

http://www.wnd.com/files/110329trumpbcfull.pdf

That is is the kind of information that the real deal should show.

[cycloneman]

I guess when bozo was told he would be running for pres the meeting went something like this.

" Ok look now we know you were born in Kenya. But what we will do is go to Hawaii to get you a certification of live birth. Our boys at he *** will seal all your records so no one can question you about this. By the time the American public figure out a certification is different than a certificate of live birth you will be well on your way to a second term. About that time George will pump a crap load of money (that we gave him) over here to shut down the nevative bama media. You know beck, levin and fox. The amount of money required to do this is not important since we gave George billions there is plenty of money there for this kind of activity and to fund your campaign for re-election. Then we will have David Plouffe come in with another fancy slogan. I gotta tell ya that "hope and change" crap sure was funny. And the play on words with certification of live birth vs certificate of live birth, dam you just cant make this crap up. This is too funny, boy those Americans are stupid. Cant wait to see the majic dust David will come up with to throw in the public's eye next.

[carver]

Originally Posted by Rocketman1

There is a difference between Muslims and terrorist.
Not all Muslims are terrorist, like the ones that attacked us on 9/11.

Compare it to WII when we shipped all the Japanese Americans off to concentration camps. That doesn’t mean that all of these Japanese were the enemy. Some Japanese Americans fought on our side during WWII.

You are right up to a point. That point being that during WWII we fought an enemy that wore a uniform. Because of this we were able to look at our Japanese troups, and distinguish them from the enemy.

Now take two Muslims walking down the street. One is a terrorist, and the other isn't. Would you please tell me which is which?

[cycloneman]

I am almost done here. I will just leave you all with one last thought.

All the records from all the schools and the actual birth cert are sealed. The only thing for us to see is this worthless certification of birth which a breathing dog could get. Why is that? This worthless document is the only thing thrown to the american public. What an insult to the people who's money was stolen. Thats right stolen. George Soros, not an american is sitting pretty with billions of our money, that is going to fund the re election. let that sink in real good. From day one everything about this guy has been deceit.

[Double D]

Like every other issue I have attempted to argue with liberals on, I have learned to stop attempting to "convince" them of anything. Liberalism is a mental disorder that blocks receptors in the brain and facts, truths, real life experiences, can not penetrate that block.

This may come off as mean but its not meant to. It is what I have come to know as truth. There has been some study done to verify brain wave differences. Liberals hear or read something that registers as factual to them and NOTHING can be said or done to sway those thoughts. You can type facts from now until the day you die and it will be all in vein.

When I see liberal nonsense posted, I just sit back and watch millions of useless words be posted only to end in some kind of arguing or name calling or both. It really is a waste of good time and very non productive. The bottom line is this. This guy is bad for america and needs to be voted out as soon as possible. Maybe we can rebound and put this all behind us. Like I said before, a piece of paper isnt as important as the damage he has already caused. Even if we prove he is not eligable, the damage is done. Lets focus on getting his a$$ outa there in 12.

[carver]

Originally Posted by Double D

Like every other issue I have attempted to argue with liberals on, I have learned to stop attempting to "convince" them of anything. Liberalism is a mental disorder that blocks receptors in the brain and facts, truths, real life experiences, can not penetrate that block.

This may come off as mean but its not meant to. It is what I have come to know as truth. There has been some study done to verify brain wave differences. Liberals hear or read something that registers as factual to them and NOTHING can be said or done to sway those thoughts. You can type facts from now until the day you die and it will be all in vein.

When I see liberal nonsense posted, I just sit back and watch millions of useless words be posted only to end in some kind of arguing or name calling or both. It really is a waste of good time and very non productive. The bottom line is this. This guy is bad for america and needs to be voted out as soon as possible. Maybe we can rebound and put this all behind us. Like I said before, a piece of paper isnt as important as the damage he has already caused. Even if we prove he is not eligable, the damage is done. Lets focus on getting his a$$ outa there in 12.

I simply can not see anything to add to this post, except how much I agree with you!

[ozo]

Originally Posted by redwing carson

Cycolone, that was a very good post. I must say I never heard of that fellow or how he pushed Obama. I know about Sorroes. This is what happens when being politicaly correct is more important than our laws. good luck

RC

Who is Plouffe ??

Plouffe is married to Olivia Morgan, a Senior Advisor to Maria Shriver’s A Woman’s Nation and a Member of the President’s Committee on the Arts and the Humanities,[17][18] and formerly an advisor to California Governor Gray Davis. The couple resides in Washington, D.C. and have a son and a daughter, the latter born two days after the 2008 Presidential election.[19]

[WABob]

Originally Posted by carver

And don't try to feed me this crap about a Birth Certificate is the same as a Certificate of Live Birth. If it's not the same, it's different! If it's different, it's not the same! Get it?

Who decides if it is different or not? You? The postal carriers? The state legislature? There has to be some legal authority that makes this decision. You have claimed that a certificate of live birth is not good enough. Where is the law that says this? I have only quoted laws that say Obama's certification of live birth is acceptable, it is not my opinion on the matter, it is the state of Hawaii that says so. You need to be directing your attitude towards Hawaii, not me.

[carver]

Originally Posted by WABob

Who decides if it is different or not? You? The postal carriers? The state legislature? There has to be some legal authority that makes this decision. You have claimed that a certificate of live birth is not good enough. Where is the law that says this? I have only quoted laws that say Obama's certification of live birth is acceptable, it is not my opinion on the matter, it is the state of Hawaii that says so. You need to be directing your attitude towards Hawaii, not me.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/faq/faq_1741.html

This Post Office site for Passports states plainly that you must have a "Certified Copy of you Birth Certificate". My attitude towards you is caused by the simple fact that no matter how much evidence you receive, and no matter that you, and 1 other only, are holding out no matter what that you are right! When I was a little boy my mother always taught me to stand up for what I believe. She also taught me to question what I believe when everyone else is telling me that I am wrong. That doesn't mean that I am wrong, but I need to seriously look at my belief's. After looking them over, if I decide that I am right, and everyone else is wrong, then I should sit down, and shut up, because I simply can't change everyone elses minds!

[rentalguy1]

Couldn't take it any more. Went back and looked at some of his older posts, and it is very apparent ant that he is a flaming liberal troll. Put him on the ignore list so I no longer have to be subjected to his blithering and distortion of laws and other factual information. Some people just don't possess the intellectual capability to understand this stuff. Thank God that most of them are all huddled together in population centers on both coasts. That way the planes have fewer targets when the time comes...

[ozo]

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[WABob]

Originally Posted by cycloneman

[urlhttp://www.americanconservativedaily.com/2008/03/muslim-obama-says-in-his-book-he%E2%80%99s-on-the-side-of-muslims/[/url]

“In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans … have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging,” he laments. “I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

That is what Barack Obama wrote in his book, “Audacity.”

Is that an actual quote from his book, or are the "..." added in place of words in from the book. If they are, I would like to read the actual quote before I pass judgement.

[WABob]

Originally Posted by rentalguy1

I also never said Obama had anything to do with registering his fictitious birth in HI. It could have been any number of people that did it. We will probably never know.

In post #35 you said in part;

Originally Posted by rentalguy1

It is exactly the same with the newspaper. I can go to the health department in HI today, fill out a form, and have a birth certificate from that state claiming that I was born there, when I was in fact born in TN. No verification by the state.

Then in post #48 you said in part;

Originally Posted by rentalguy1

I said I could do it in the same manner Obama has done it.

So we should be able to conclude based on your posts that you meant to say that Obama had something to do with generating a birth certificate at some time in his life, you are not clear when, but you are accusing Obama of doing something related to his birth certificate. From what I have seen on the internet, either he or an person authorized to do so has obtained a copy of his certification of live birth and posted it on the internet to show he is a natural born citizen. I have not seen any evidence that he had anything to do with the data enter into the database used to generate the certificate other than being born to a woman who registered his birth in Hawaii.

So where is your evidence that Obama has done anything other than supply a copy of the certification of live birth? Where is your evidence that the state does not verify data provided to them when requested to issued a birth certificate?