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jack404 · 05-02-2011, 07:46 PM

hear hear!

Old Guy · 05-02-2011, 07:53 PM

I used to knit many years ago. It is a useful endeavor. Sometimes the sweaters can be a bit tacky but hey you stay warm!!! Insults and belittlement will never get you anywhere and is a sign of how selfish we have become as a society. It is OK to disagree and hold a different opinion and even to make a logical argument for your case. It is never OK to get into personal attacks, whether open or cloaked.

This whole thing became an issue because the candidate hammered on McCain about being born in the Panama Canal Zone. But no one could question the candidates name, place of origin, his adoption as Barry Soetero, or anything else about his life including questionable "friends" without being called a racist or a bigot. Unlike President Bush who we knew everything about including some erroneous information, we knew and still know nothing about the candidate and it has been three years. I don't think that there has ever been a "public servant" who had more secrecy about his entire life than Obama has. We who have legitimate questions deserve legitimate answers and there have been none. Even the release of the certificate in question was given in a demeaning way. What is there to hide??????

Born - Hawaii or Kenya? Appears that it could be Hawaii but there are issues regarding the first document released. Video of himself and his wife claim Kenyan roots, not just Kenyan father.
Adopted - became and Indonesian citizen in order to go to school there. It does not matter that he was a child, he still had (has?) Indonesian citizenship. His mother made a choice as an adult for this change to happen.
College - Occidental and Harvard. No records of how he as an adult went to school. Did he apply and receive financial aid as a foreign student? If so he chose as an adult to claim a country other than the U.S.
Law Career - Obtained bar in Illinois but gave it back? Michelle did the same. This is usually a way out of being disbarred which will ruin a persons future as it impunes ones character.

It goes on from here but you get the idea. And since he is the CEO of the U.S.A. and is bound by the Constitution to follow and uphold the Constitution that starts out "We the people", then he has a Constitutional obligation to answer the questions regarding legitimacy to, you guessed it, "We the People". It really is that simple!!

armedandsafe · 05-02-2011, 10:33 PM

Old Guy, I have never knotted. I have done some corcheting, however.

That said, I agree with the entirety of the rest of your post.

Pops

Bobitis · 05-03-2011, 11:22 AM

Encore Old Guy, Encore!

Hatch · 05-07-2011, 01:34 AM

Old Guys post is very good and should serve as a model... where I personally think people get sidetracked is that frustration builds into suspicion, resentment, anger, and that can lead into even worse things.

1 person says Obama was born in Kenya
3 people say they dont really know, but they have doubts because it's odd money is spent to fight the release of documents and documents that are available dont seem to really answer any questions
6 people start screaming about the messiah being the best thing since the wheel, his birth is already established fact, start smearing Palin for this that and the other

Bing! instant circus. That's what we had in 2008.

it doesnt help anything when Saul Alinsky strategy is written in bold ink, attack, defame, make any accusation possible and then move on to the next before anyone can even respond. That just further infuriates people who dont agree.

The irony is that code pink like mentality still attacks him now that he's in office. Just last week in the news there was a story about half a dozen people who paid 12k per plate to attend a fund raiser dinner and they stood and sang a song that mocked the anointed one for not being liberal enough!

Have you watched the videos about exit interviews during the election? the pro Obama supporters were completely captivated by the charisma, they had no concept of the issues. The knee jerk reaction is that there should be IQ or at least reasonable critical thinking tests to even be allowed to vote, and possibly even pro-create!!!! but uhhhh... that becomes a very dangerous slope to tread on doesnt it? because now voting rights are controlled by elected or appointed officials... rather than being a natural born citizen, just like a president who... oops nevermind

but back to the subject at hand... thats what AZ Gov Jan Brewer cited in her decision to block the passage of the birth ballot act. But, isnt it interesting how all of the press went to the lopsided clobbering the dems took in offices like Gov, State and Fed House, etc etc etc... and very little attention was paid to the Secretary of State elections? The one's who make the rules on who and what votes are counted where and when they are counted? And where did Soros spend his money?

Obviously he's not on our side, but, he's not stupid either... why chase that Gov or Fed house rep rabbit instead of the Sec State seats? is it easier to catch and does the same job (he wants done)?

ofitg · 06-30-2011, 01:39 AM

My apologies if this has been posted before -

http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=2929

rentalguy1 · 06-30-2011, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ofitg

My apologies if this has been posted before -

http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=2929

While I do believe that BO was not born in the USA, articles like the ones you posted a link to are detrimental to our cause. It reads like it was written by a eighth grader. How can we expect people to take us seriously, and investigate this matter, if we cannot turn out a well-written news piece?

jack404 · 06-30-2011, 06:26 AM

so if the facts are not wrapped up in bows and tied just so its not worth worrying about ??

wrapping things in bows and making them just so has got us into this mess

facts are facts pretty , dirty however they come they are still fact , the PC attitude that it has to be in triplicate and cited and on this size paper in this type face etc etc etc or its worthless

well its BS sorry but it is and we are falling into it , they have set the bar and WE AGREE!!!! no dont agree FIGHT!!!!! throw the bum out criminal fraud is criminal fraud and agreeing to it all just makes us criminals too

rentalguy1 i'm not having a shot at you , but at the whole attitude we've been conned into.. too many have fallen for it and now the simple fact is trying to convict anyone is soo bloody hard 1 spelling mistake see's rapists walk ..

we have to acknowledge that this attitude is wrong that evil is evil and must be dealt with and that wrong is wrong and crime is crime , not its crime if we do everything perfect and only then ..

RedHawk · 06-30-2011, 07:54 AM

Any stooge with Adobe Photoshop and the right paper , a state seal ,can make a birth certificate , lets see the president of the United States , I wonder if he could hire the guy who invented Photoshop , yep , can he come up with the right paper ,yep ,can he aquire a state seal (from any state) yep ! Yep it can be done , it took this idiot 2 years to do it , most people who commit fraud usually have there papers made before hand , but the sheeple of the media in this country trust the machine, so it went unnoticed!

But its a moot point at this time , for as the world has seen , He's Irish and has a birth certificate to prove it!

rentalguy1 · 06-30-2011, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack404

so if the facts are not wrapped up in bows and tied just so its not worth worrying about ??

wrapping things in bows and making them just so has got us into this mess

facts are facts pretty , dirty however they come they are still fact , the PC attitude that it has to be in triplicate and cited and on this size paper in this type face etc etc etc or its worthless

well its BS sorry but it is and we are falling into it , they have set the bar and WE AGREE!!!! no dont agree FIGHT!!!!! throw the bum out criminal fraud is criminal fraud and agreeing to it all just makes us criminals too

rentalguy1 i'm not having a shot at you , but at the whole attitude we've been conned into.. too many have fallen for it and now the simple fact is trying to convict anyone is soo bloody hard 1 spelling mistake see's rapists walk ..

we have to acknowledge that this attitude is wrong that evil is evil and must be dealt with and that wrong is wrong and crime is crime , not its crime if we do everything perfect and only then ..

What I'm saying is that it lacks credibility. It looks like someone sat down and just made the stuff up. You and I know that's not the case, but the people that need convincing do not. Every time someone writes a article in this manner, we look that much crazier to the rest of the country. Facts are facts, but they have to be presented to others in a way that convinces them to believe. Not my rules, just the way it is.

RunningOnMT · 06-30-2011, 11:17 AM

I wrote my senators and John Boner. My senator did not even reply. Boner sent me a list of priorities that he wanted to get done in his term, and they didn't include investigating the presidents birth place. Unbelievable. That determining the mans qualifications to serve as president wasn't important is in itself reason to throw him (Boner) out of office.

This is one more thing that makes me believe that our republic is a sham. We may not even elect people to office. They may be selected by unknown entities and stack the deck in elections. Anything is possible. Something has to explain why no one in office now has the courage to take this on. Do they fear that bringing this up on the floors of congress would make them look like a loon and be political suicide?

Whatever the reason I don't expect in my lifetime to see the truth revealed publically.

Double D · 06-30-2011, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rentalguy1

What I'm saying is that it lacks credibility. It looks like someone sat down and just made the stuff up. You and I know that's not the case, but the people that need convincing do not. Every time someone writes a article in this manner, we look that much crazier to the rest of the country. Facts are facts, but they have to be presented to others in a way that convinces them to believe. Not my rules, just the way it is.

Sadly, the people who need convincing, cant be convinced. They wouldnt believe it if it came from his own mouth. They have a blockage. Once the talking points are programmed in, NOTHING you can say or do will change them. Cant be done. No matter how professional the document. A mental block is a mental block.

ofitg · 06-30-2011, 02:33 PM

I'm not even sure who the "people that need convincing" are..... Eric Holder? The Democratic leadership? The Republican leadership?

Does anybody believe that we are uncovering facts that the real power-brokers haven't known about since "day one"? They're the ones who set that turtle on top of the fence post in the first place.

I'm afraid I have to agree with RunningOnMT. The White House has already been stolen. Done Deal. The cover-up has been perpetrated, with full cooperation from the mainstream media. Done deal. It's possible that someday the history books will note Obama's ineligibility, but it's not likely to be in our lifetimes.

Our best chance to get rid of Obama is in the voting booths next year.

Double D · 06-30-2011, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ofitg

I'm not even sure who the "people that need convincing" are..... Eric Holder? The Democratic leadership? The Republican leadership?

Does anybody believe that we are uncovering facts that the real power-brokers haven't known about since "day one"? They're the ones who set that turtle on top of the fence post in the first place.

I'm afraid I have to agree with RunningOnMT. The White House has already been stolen. Done Deal. The cover-up has been perpetrated, with full cooperation from the mainstream media. Done deal. It's possible that someday the history books will note Obama's ineligibility, but it's not likely to be in our lifetimes.

Our best chance to get rid of Obama is in the voting booths next year.

Yup!

rentalguy1 · 06-30-2011, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ofitg

I'm not even sure who the "people that need convincing" are..... Eric Holder? The Democratic leadership? The Republican leadership?

Does anybody believe that we are uncovering facts that the real power-brokers haven't known about since "day one"? They're the ones who set that turtle on top of the fence post in the first place.

I'm afraid I have to agree with RunningOnMT. The White House has already been stolen. Done Deal. The cover-up has been perpetrated, with full cooperation from the mainstream media. Done deal. It's possible that someday the history books will note Obama's ineligibility, but it's not likely to be in our lifetimes.

Our best chance to get rid of Obama is in the voting booths next year.

^FTW

05-02-2011, 07:46 PM	#176
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Question is NOT going to go AWAY..... hear hear!

05-02-2011, 07:53 PM	#177
Old Guy V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Beaufort County, NC Contributor Posts: 342	Re: Question is NOT going to go AWAY..... I used to knit many years ago. It is a useful endeavor. Sometimes the sweaters can be a bit tacky but hey you stay warm!!! Insults and belittlement will never get you anywhere and is a sign of how selfish we have become as a society. It is OK to disagree and hold a different opinion and even to make a logical argument for your case. It is never OK to get into personal attacks, whether open or cloaked. This whole thing became an issue because the candidate hammered on McCain about being born in the Panama Canal Zone. But no one could question the candidates name, place of origin, his adoption as Barry Soetero, or anything else about his life including questionable "friends" without being called a racist or a bigot. Unlike President Bush who we knew everything about including some erroneous information, we knew and still know nothing about the candidate and it has been three years. I don't think that there has ever been a "public servant" who had more secrecy about his entire life than Obama has. We who have legitimate questions deserve legitimate answers and there have been none. Even the release of the certificate in question was given in a demeaning way. What is there to hide?????? Born - Hawaii or Kenya? Appears that it could be Hawaii but there are issues regarding the first document released. Video of himself and his wife claim Kenyan roots, not just Kenyan father. Adopted - became and Indonesian citizen in order to go to school there. It does not matter that he was a child, he still had (has?) Indonesian citizenship. His mother made a choice as an adult for this change to happen. College - Occidental and Harvard. No records of how he as an adult went to school. Did he apply and receive financial aid as a foreign student? If so he chose as an adult to claim a country other than the U.S. Law Career - Obtained bar in Illinois but gave it back? Michelle did the same. This is usually a way out of being disbarred which will ruin a persons future as it impunes ones character. It goes on from here but you get the idea. And since he is the CEO of the U.S.A. and is bound by the Constitution to follow and uphold the Constitution that starts out "We the people", then he has a Constitutional obligation to answer the questions regarding legitimacy to, you guessed it, "We the People". It really is that simple!! __________________ Old Guy ___________ NRA Life Member GOA Life Member

05-02-2011, 10:33 PM	#178
armedandsafe Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moses Lake, WA Posts: 10,344	Re: Question is NOT going to go AWAY..... Old Guy, I have never knotted. I have done some corcheting, however. That said, I agree with the entirety of the rest of your post. Pops

05-03-2011, 11:22 AM	#179
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Question is NOT going to go AWAY..... Encore Old Guy, Encore!

05-07-2011, 01:34 AM	#180
Hatch Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 287	Re: Question is NOT going to go AWAY..... Old Guys post is very good and should serve as a model... where I personally think people get sidetracked is that frustration builds into suspicion, resentment, anger, and that can lead into even worse things. 1 person says Obama was born in Kenya 3 people say they dont really know, but they have doubts because it's odd money is spent to fight the release of documents and documents that are available dont seem to really answer any questions 6 people start screaming about the messiah being the best thing since the wheel, his birth is already established fact, start smearing Palin for this that and the other Bing! instant circus. That's what we had in 2008. it doesnt help anything when Saul Alinsky strategy is written in bold ink, attack, defame, make any accusation possible and then move on to the next before anyone can even respond. That just further infuriates people who dont agree. The irony is that code pink like mentality still attacks him now that he's in office. Just last week in the news there was a story about half a dozen people who paid 12k per plate to attend a fund raiser dinner and they stood and sang a song that mocked the anointed one for not being liberal enough! Have you watched the videos about exit interviews during the election? the pro Obama supporters were completely captivated by the charisma, they had no concept of the issues. The knee jerk reaction is that there should be IQ or at least reasonable critical thinking tests to even be allowed to vote, and possibly even pro-create!!!! but uhhhh... that becomes a very dangerous slope to tread on doesnt it? because now voting rights are controlled by elected or appointed officials... rather than being a natural born citizen, just like a president who... oops nevermind but back to the subject at hand... thats what AZ Gov Jan Brewer cited in her decision to block the passage of the birth ballot act. But, isnt it interesting how all of the press went to the lopsided clobbering the dems took in offices like Gov, State and Fed House, etc etc etc... and very little attention was paid to the Secretary of State elections? The one's who make the rules on who and what votes are counted where and when they are counted? And where did Soros spend his money? Obviously he's not on our side, but, he's not stupid either... why chase that Gov or Fed house rep rabbit instead of the Sec State seats? is it easier to catch and does the same job (he wants done)?

06-30-2011, 01:39 AM	#181
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06-30-2011, 06:26 AM	#183
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Question is NOT going to go AWAY..... so if the facts are not wrapped up in bows and tied just so its not worth worrying about ?? wrapping things in bows and making them just so has got us into this mess facts are facts pretty , dirty however they come they are still fact , the PC attitude that it has to be in triplicate and cited and on this size paper in this type face etc etc etc or its worthless well its BS sorry but it is and we are falling into it , they have set the bar and WE AGREE!!!! no dont agree FIGHT!!!!! throw the bum out criminal fraud is criminal fraud and agreeing to it all just makes us criminals too rentalguy1 i'm not having a shot at you , but at the whole attitude we've been conned into.. too many have fallen for it and now the simple fact is trying to convict anyone is soo bloody hard 1 spelling mistake see's rapists walk .. we have to acknowledge that this attitude is wrong that evil is evil and must be dealt with and that wrong is wrong and crime is crime , not its crime if we do everything perfect and only then .. Last edited by jack404; 06-30-2011 at 06:29 AM..

06-30-2011, 07:54 AM	#184
RedHawk Former Guest Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 177	Re: Question is NOT going to go AWAY..... Any stooge with Adobe Photoshop and the right paper , a state seal ,can make a birth certificate , lets see the president of the United States , I wonder if he could hire the guy who invented Photoshop , yep , can he come up with the right paper ,yep ,can he aquire a state seal (from any state) yep ! Yep it can be done , it took this idiot 2 years to do it , most people who commit fraud usually have there papers made before hand , but the sheeple of the media in this country trust the machine, so it went unnoticed! But its a moot point at this time , for as the world has seen , He's Irish and has a birth certificate to prove it!

06-30-2011, 11:17 AM	#186
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: Question is NOT going to go AWAY..... I wrote my senators and John Boner. My senator did not even reply. Boner sent me a list of priorities that he wanted to get done in his term, and they didn't include investigating the presidents birth place. Unbelievable. That determining the mans qualifications to serve as president wasn't important is in itself reason to throw him (Boner) out of office. This is one more thing that makes me believe that our republic is a sham. We may not even elect people to office. They may be selected by unknown entities and stack the deck in elections. Anything is possible. Something has to explain why no one in office now has the courage to take this on. Do they fear that bringing this up on the floors of congress would make them look like a loon and be political suicide? Whatever the reason I don't expect in my lifetime to see the truth revealed publically. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

06-30-2011, 02:33 PM	#188
ofitg Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,447	Re: Question is NOT going to go AWAY..... I'm not even sure who the "people that need convincing" are..... Eric Holder? The Democratic leadership? The Republican leadership? Does anybody believe that we are uncovering facts that the real power-brokers haven't known about since "day one"? They're the ones who set that turtle on top of the fence post in the first place. I'm afraid I have to agree with RunningOnMT. The White House has already been stolen. Done Deal. The cover-up has been perpetrated, with full cooperation from the mainstream media. Done deal. It's possible that someday the history books will note Obama's ineligibility, but it's not likely to be in our lifetimes. Our best chance to get rid of Obama is in the voting booths next year.