J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl cal. 7,65 - The Firearms Forum

Chip4par · 03-31-2011, 12:31 PM

My wife got this weapon from her father:
J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl cal. 7,65
-Serial # is 311553.
-On the front left section of the trigger guard is an eagle over top a circle with what looks like an x maybe and a C just to the right of the circle.
-On the right side behind the top of the grip is another eagle on top of an N.
-The word PATENT is on the right side of the slide and J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl cal. 7,65 is on the left side of the slide.
-The grips are black checkered plastic with the SuS on both.
-On the bottom of the magazine plate is the SuS CAL.7,65.
- 2 magazines

There is a black leather holster with the ser # of the weapon on it and pouch for spare magazine. Sadly

, my father-in-law also punched his name(LEE) on the flap along with the number 765.

Any information would be appreciated

valbehaved · 03-31-2011, 01:19 PM

Sauer 38H german pistol made for Nazi Police around 1941...
Given the condition of the gun and the holster, I would estimate a retail value of about $450 if the grips are not broken...

Danny · 04-01-2011, 01:08 PM

Hello Chip,
U have a nice rig there , even though the pistol rates 80% in condition. You have a type 2 38h police and it has the checkered mag release button , which makes it a little more valuable the ones with the plain button , like mine.
You need to get some of the rust & dirt removed & the best way to do this is to apply some Hopps bore cleaner to all the metal ,avoiding the grips. Let it sit awhile and then take some 0000 steel wool & rub so gently to remove any rust. It will also give the weapon a polished look.
As a collector, I have a 38h rig just as yours. The two mags are worth 300 dollars, the holster is correct & should fetch 150, more if it did not have the holes punched in it.
I would venture to say 700 for the complete rig.
You have a pistol that was manufactured before its time , with the cocker & decocker lever system that made it so neat from the other 32cal handguns the Nazis were using. Keep it cleaned & oiled and hold on to it as it will grow in value. These pistols are tough, so do not be afraid to shoot it if you so desire.
Kindest Regards
Danny

Chip4par · 04-01-2011, 07:01 PM

Thanks guys for the information. It was a big help. And now I've got my brother-in-law all interested as well.

I'll clean 'er up, keep 'er clean and, if I can find some 7.65, might even take it to the range.

Again...Thanks

Jim K · 04-01-2011, 07:34 PM

FWIW, 7.65 Browning is the European name for what we call the .32 ACP. You should be able to find some at any well stocked gun shop or sporting goods store.

Jim

duck32man · 04-02-2011, 09:20 AM

Danny - I have one with the white franzite grips and an unstamped, flap holster. Is there a database for serial number dates? Mine has an unstamped magazine that I was told was original to the gun. Is it true that the later models did not have the SuS stamped on the mags?

Chip4par · 04-02-2011, 05:07 PM

Thanks Jim - my father-in-law attempted to fire .32 and it jammed every try. Now this was about 1980 and I don't recall what brand or designation the shells were, but I am a little leery about .32cal. I reallly hate clearing jams!

Jim K · 04-02-2011, 06:36 PM

I can't guarantee the pistol will work with any ammo, but there are several cartridges in the general grouping of .32 caliber. The correct one for that gun is called .32 ACP or .32 Auto. Other .32's won't work.

Jim

Danny · 04-02-2011, 09:19 PM

Hello,
Your 38h is the type 4. It has a zinc trigger & the rough finish & mill marks show how fast the company was putting them out. I would date it around 1943, but really need the sn to get an accurate date on this fine gun.
Yes you are correct about the mags not having the inter twinned SS logo, and they still used zinc as a bottom plate.
The holster could pass for a variety of the small handguns used by the Nazis, so I would say your pistol is correct , except for the grips. There is where the problem is, you cannot find these anywhere and when found, be prepared to pay big bucks for them. Hope this info helps you some?
Kind Regards
Danny
PS: I forgot to ask you if this was an eagle c police pistol or a eagle 37 army , as the police sell for more.

duck32man · 04-02-2011, 11:11 PM

Danny - Thanks for the info. I'm still learning about this one. The only marks on it are what I believe are the nitro proof stamp. Serial # is 41xxx. Shoots great. Thanks again.

03-31-2011, 12:31 PM	#1
Chip4par Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 3	J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl cal. 7,65 My wife got this weapon from her father: J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl cal. 7,65 -Serial # is 311553. -On the front left section of the trigger guard is an eagle over top a circle with what looks like an x maybe and a C just to the right of the circle. -On the right side behind the top of the grip is another eagle on top of an N. -The word PATENT is on the right side of the slide and J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl cal. 7,65 is on the left side of the slide. -The grips are black checkered plastic with the SuS on both. -On the bottom of the magazine plate is the SuS CAL.7,65. - 2 magazines There is a black leather holster with the ser # of the weapon on it and pouch for spare magazine. Sadly , my father-in-law also punched his name(LEE) on the flap along with the number 765. Any information would be appreciated Attached Images -->

03-31-2011, 01:19 PM	#2
valbehaved V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 234	Re: J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl cal. 7,65 Sauer 38H german pistol made for Nazi Police around 1941... Given the condition of the gun and the holster, I would estimate a retail value of about $450 if the grips are not broken...

04-01-2011, 01:08 PM	#3
Danny Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Va Contributor Posts: 594	Re: J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl cal. 7,65 Hello Chip, U have a nice rig there , even though the pistol rates 80% in condition. You have a type 2 38h police and it has the checkered mag release button , which makes it a little more valuable the ones with the plain button , like mine. You need to get some of the rust & dirt removed & the best way to do this is to apply some Hopps bore cleaner to all the metal ,avoiding the grips. Let it sit awhile and then take some 0000 steel wool & rub so gently to remove any rust. It will also give the weapon a polished look. As a collector, I have a 38h rig just as yours. The two mags are worth 300 dollars, the holster is correct & should fetch 150, more if it did not have the holes punched in it. I would venture to say 700 for the complete rig. You have a pistol that was manufactured before its time , with the cocker & decocker lever system that made it so neat from the other 32cal handguns the Nazis were using. Keep it cleaned & oiled and hold on to it as it will grow in value. These pistols are tough, so do not be afraid to shoot it if you so desire. Kindest Regards Danny __________________ THE GUN HAS PLAYED A CRITICAL ROLE IN HISTORY. AN INVENTION WHICH HAS BEEN PRAISED & DENOUNCED...SERVED HERO & VILLAIN ALIKE...AND CARRIES WITH IT MORAL RESPONSIBILITY...TO UNDERSTAND THE GUN IS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HISTORY. Last edited by Danny; 04-01-2011 at 08:43 PM..

04-01-2011, 07:01 PM	#4
Chip4par Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 3	Re: J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl cal. 7,65 Thanks guys for the information. It was a big help. And now I've got my brother-in-law all interested as well. I'll clean 'er up, keep 'er clean and, if I can find some 7.65, might even take it to the range. Again...Thanks

04-01-2011, 07:34 PM	#5
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl cal. 7,65 FWIW, 7.65 Browning is the European name for what we call the .32 ACP. You should be able to find some at any well stocked gun shop or sporting goods store. Jim

04-02-2011, 09:20 AM	#6
duck32man V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Anti-Gun, Illinois Posts: 172	Re: J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl cal. 7,65 Danny - I have one with the white franzite grips and an unstamped, flap holster. Is there a database for serial number dates? Mine has an unstamped magazine that I was told was original to the gun. Is it true that the later models did not have the SuS stamped on the mags? Attached Images Last edited by duck32man; 04-02-2011 at 09:30 AM..

04-02-2011, 05:07 PM	#7
Chip4par Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 3	Re: J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl cal. 7,65 Thanks Jim - my father-in-law attempted to fire .32 and it jammed every try. Now this was about 1980 and I don't recall what brand or designation the shells were, but I am a little leery about .32cal. I reallly hate clearing jams!

04-02-2011, 06:36 PM	#8
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl cal. 7,65 I can't guarantee the pistol will work with any ammo, but there are several cartridges in the general grouping of .32 caliber. The correct one for that gun is called .32 ACP or .32 Auto. Other .32's won't work. Jim

04-02-2011, 09:19 PM	#9
Danny Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Va Contributor Posts: 594	Re: J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl cal. 7,65 Hello, Your 38h is the type 4. It has a zinc trigger & the rough finish & mill marks show how fast the company was putting them out. I would date it around 1943, but really need the sn to get an accurate date on this fine gun. Yes you are correct about the mags not having the inter twinned SS logo, and they still used zinc as a bottom plate. The holster could pass for a variety of the small handguns used by the Nazis, so I would say your pistol is correct , except for the grips. There is where the problem is, you cannot find these anywhere and when found, be prepared to pay big bucks for them. Hope this info helps you some? Kind Regards Danny PS: I forgot to ask you if this was an eagle c police pistol or a eagle 37 army , as the police sell for more. __________________ THE GUN HAS PLAYED A CRITICAL ROLE IN HISTORY. AN INVENTION WHICH HAS BEEN PRAISED & DENOUNCED...SERVED HERO & VILLAIN ALIKE...AND CARRIES WITH IT MORAL RESPONSIBILITY...TO UNDERSTAND THE GUN IS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HISTORY.

04-02-2011, 11:11 PM	#10
duck32man V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Anti-Gun, Illinois Posts: 172	Re: J.P. Sauer & Sohn, Suhl cal. 7,65 Danny - Thanks for the info. I'm still learning about this one. The only marks on it are what I believe are the nitro proof stamp. Serial # is 41xxx. Shoots great. Thanks again.