TEST CASE: Armed vs. UNarmed Schools - The Firearms Forum

Steve02C5 · 03-13-2013, 06:54 PM

Wouldn't it be interesting to have schools, for a trial study, which on one hand have armed teachers and guards, and on the other hand, status quo schools which are "gun-free?"

Anyone care to venture a guess which would be the safest schools? I know which one I'd want my children to go to.

firefighter1635 · 03-14-2013, 04:57 PM

There is such a "test case". Israel arms their teachers, Most of America doesn't.

Double D · 03-14-2013, 06:36 PM

Since Israel armed their schools with full auto guns, they dont have any issues anymore.. imagine that...

aa1911 · 03-14-2013, 07:30 PM

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Since Israel armed their schools with full auto guns, they dont have any issues anymore.. imagine that...

Amazing, huh? If only tested in the US, it would take many decades to draw any conclusions, mass schoolshootings are in reality extremely rare.

soundguy · 03-14-2013, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Since Israel armed their schools with full auto guns, they dont have any issues anymore.. imagine that...

should take a lesson from this..

Huck Finn · 03-14-2013, 09:02 PM

There was an armed Police Officer stationed at Columbine the day of the shooting. He was there for the entire event... Just sayin'.

soundguy · 03-14-2013, 09:06 PM

armed teachers would be different. they'd be RIGHT there. not just 1 person.. somewhere on campus..

bumblebee · 03-15-2013, 10:26 AM

as hysterical as people have become about guns in schools, why aren't just as concerned about the lack of "schooling" going on. The US averages about 40K per pupil in public school and the core classes of reading, writing and math are testing at record lows.

soundguy · 03-15-2013, 12:07 PM

my wifes a teacher. she said they get stuck spending all year doing entry tests, exit tests,placement tests and fcat type tests.. review for those tests.. andthen making test banks.

if there is any time left over.. they are allowed to teach their subject

Double D · 03-15-2013, 12:53 PM

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There was an armed Police Officer stationed at Columbine the day of the shooting. He was there for the entire event... Just sayin'.

Yea, this is exactly the argument coming from the left. One time there was an armed guard and it didnt work. That means it will never work so why waste the effort. I cant imagine being so shallow. If schools will put armed guards / teachers in place with comprehensive plans, they will have a much better chance to prevent these situations in the future. I dont care how many guns they ban or magazines they ban or how many mentally disturbed people they prevent from buying guns, they will not and can not prevent a mad man from going on a rampage. The ONLY way to prevent it is to meet it with force. Period.

carver · 03-15-2013, 01:10 PM

Reopen the insane asylums, and put those that are not safe around others, or themselves, in the dang things! Get them off the streets, and out of public places! Dope them up as much as needed, but don't dope them up, and allow them to run the streets. Every school needs at least 5 guards on duty at the school, and 1 each for the school busses. Don't hire them, ask for volunteers that can pass a back ground check, and get them trained. NRA would do that for free. Teachers, Grandpaws, principle, coustodian, or anyone that wants to help protect our most valuable resources.

2fish · 03-15-2013, 01:17 PM

Although I live in Michigan, I work in NW Ohio. The 5 counties nearest my employer have all armed school staff or have plans in place to do so by next school year. Most by sending individuals to training, some by putting armed on-duty officers in the school. This has occurred post Sandy Hook.

time2shoot · 03-15-2013, 01:49 PM

We just passed A law here in South Dakota.
To alow teachers and staff to be armed.
It's called the School Sentinel Bill.

68c15 · 03-15-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by time2shoot

We just passed A law here in South Dakota.
To alow teachers and staff to be armed.
It's called the School Sentinel Bill.

and my oldest boy wants to be a teacher even more now.

are you planning on volunteering when your girls go to school? I sure would. I can imagine it now. before you go on shift you must test fire/target practice in the gymnasium. a private locker at the end of each hallway with your own private stash. makes me want to retire and go back to school

soundguy · 03-15-2013, 04:26 PM

i would volunteer as well.

My wife is a teacher.

on days i don't work I'd be glad to show up and donate my time

time2shoot · 03-15-2013, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 68c15

and my oldest boy wants to be a teacher even more now.

are you planning on volunteering when your girls go to school? I sure would. I can imagine it now. before you go on shift you must test fire/target practice in the gymnasium. a private locker at the end of each hallway with your own private stash. makes me want to retire and go back to school

Allready do at the preschool.

It's privet, so it was never a gun free zone.
And all the staff knows I cary.

mjp28 · 03-15-2013, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve02C5

Wouldn't it be interesting to have schools, for a trial study, which on one hand have armed teachers and guards, and on the other hand, status quo schools which are "gun-free?"

Anyone care to venture a guess which would be the safest schools? I know which one I'd want my children to go to.

Yeah just imagine a sign on every entry door:

"WARNING Armed Personel on Site"

See how many punk jackazzes try something then. In Sandy Hook if the principal was trained and armed number of deaths would have been ONE, the idiot that shot the window to break in.

I wish my wife's hospital was NOT a no gun zone....with unarmed guards, BRILLIANT!

soundguy · 03-15-2013, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mjp28

Yeah just imagine a sign on every entry door:

"WARNING Armed Personel on Site"

See how many punk jackazzes try something then. In Sandy Hook if the principal was trained and armed number of deaths would have been ONE, the idiot that shot the window to break in.

I wish my wife's hospital was NOT a no gun zone....with unarmed guards, BRILLIANT!

i'd love to see that sign on school doors!

mjp28 · 03-15-2013, 08:11 PM

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i'd love to see that sign on school doors!

Yeah and we wouldn't be in this big b@##$%^t mess about gun control.

Double D · 03-16-2013, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mjp28

Yeah and we wouldn't be in this big b@##$%^t mess about gun control.

Oh yes we would. They want control no matter what. This isnt about protecting kids....this is all about disarming us. It wont end here. The left couldnt stand for us to arm our teachers and for them to actually stop a shooting. It would make the pro gun world look good and they wouldnt want that.

rcairflr · 03-16-2013, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Oh yes we would. They want control no matter what. This isnt about protecting kids....this is all about disarming us. It wont end here. The left couldnt stand for us to arm our teachers and for them to actually stop a shooting. It would make the pro gun world look good and they wouldnt want that.

You are right: "It is about CONTROL". but the left would not have the upper hand if it wasn't for the wackos doing the school ground shootings. That is what turns the uneducated public in their direction.

soundguy · 03-16-2013, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

This isnt about protecting kids.....

yep.. 'kids' are just a pitch slogan when somebody wants something.

Double D · 03-16-2013, 02:55 PM

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You are right: "It is about CONTROL". but the left would not have the upper hand if it wasn't for the wackos doing the school ground shootings. That is what turns the uneducated public in their direction.

This is somewhat true. If the media were doing its job, the public would be properly educated and wouldnt be led down the liberal road believing everything they want them to believe. Its a shame just how many Americans actually believe anything and everything that is reported. I believe that nowadays, the left wing media receives a fax from the white house on a daily basis telling them what they want the public to hear today. Journalism is dead. Fair and balanced reporting no longer exists.

Double D · 03-16-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by soundguy

yep.. 'kids' are just a pitch slogan when somebody wants something.

Its all about the "emotions"

rcairflr · 03-16-2013, 03:21 PM

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Its a shame just how many Americans actually believe anything and everything that is reported. .

Yeah, kind of like the stupid emails that have circulated for years and "spoof" news reports that people post right here in these forums and at least half the people believe they are true.

03-13-2013, 06:54 PM	#1
Steve02C5 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Renaissance Festival, TX Contributor Posts: 259	TEST CASE: Armed vs. UNarmed Schools Wouldn't it be interesting to have schools, for a trial study, which on one hand have armed teachers and guards, and on the other hand, status quo schools which are "gun-free?" Anyone care to venture a guess which would be the safest schools? I know which one I'd want my children to go to. __________________ NRA Benefactor Member Sheriffs Assoc. of Texas Life Member -->

03-14-2013, 04:57 PM	#2
firefighter1635 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: US of A Contributor Posts: 1,838	Re: TEST CASE: Armed vs. UNarmed Schools There is such a "test case". Israel arms their teachers, Most of America doesn't. __________________ "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samuel Adams Last edited by firefighter1635; 03-14-2013 at 07:22 PM..

03-14-2013, 06:36 PM	#3
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,259	Re: TEST CASE: Armed vs. UNarmed Schools Since Israel armed their schools with full auto guns, they dont have any issues anymore.. imagine that... __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

03-14-2013, 09:02 PM	#6
Huck Finn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 836	Re: TEST CASE: Armed vs. UNarmed Schools There was an armed Police Officer stationed at Columbine the day of the shooting. He was there for the entire event... Just sayin'. __________________ Tiocfaidh Ár Lá ! "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"

03-14-2013, 09:06 PM	#7
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,746	Re: TEST CASE: Armed vs. UNarmed Schools armed teachers would be different. they'd be RIGHT there. not just 1 person.. somewhere on campus..

03-15-2013, 10:26 AM	#8
bumblebee V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Tallahassee Posts: 377	Re: TEST CASE: Armed vs. UNarmed Schools as hysterical as people have become about guns in schools, why aren't just as concerned about the lack of "schooling" going on. The US averages about 40K per pupil in public school and the core classes of reading, writing and math are testing at record lows.

03-15-2013, 12:07 PM	#9
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,746	Re: TEST CASE: Armed vs. UNarmed Schools my wifes a teacher. she said they get stuck spending all year doing entry tests, exit tests,placement tests and fcat type tests.. review for those tests.. andthen making test banks. if there is any time left over.. they are allowed to teach their subject

03-15-2013, 01:10 PM	#11
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,552	Re: TEST CASE: Armed vs. UNarmed Schools Reopen the insane asylums, and put those that are not safe around others, or themselves, in the dang things! Get them off the streets, and out of public places! Dope them up as much as needed, but don't dope them up, and allow them to run the streets. Every school needs at least 5 guards on duty at the school, and 1 each for the school busses. Don't hire them, ask for volunteers that can pass a back ground check, and get them trained. NRA would do that for free. Teachers, Grandpaws, principle, coustodian, or anyone that wants to help protect our most valuable resources. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old. Last edited by carver; 03-15-2013 at 01:11 PM..

03-15-2013, 01:17 PM	#12
2fish Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Michigan Posts: 37	Re: TEST CASE: Armed vs. UNarmed Schools Although I live in Michigan, I work in NW Ohio. The 5 counties nearest my employer have all armed school staff or have plans in place to do so by next school year. Most by sending individuals to training, some by putting armed on-duty officers in the school. This has occurred post Sandy Hook.

03-15-2013, 01:49 PM	#13
time2shoot Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Brandon SD Contributor Posts: 2,612	Re: TEST CASE: Armed vs. UNarmed Schools We just passed A law here in South Dakota. To alow teachers and staff to be armed. It's called the School Sentinel Bill. __________________ I AM A VETERAN MY OATH OF ENLISTMENT HAS NO EXPIRATION DATE!

03-15-2013, 04:26 PM	#15
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,746	Re: TEST CASE: Armed vs. UNarmed Schools i would volunteer as well. My wife is a teacher. on days i don't work I'd be glad to show up and donate my time