would this work? - The Firearms Forum

dammitman · 04-16-2011, 10:08 AM

i am wanting to have a compensator for a 1911 commander pistol and really cannot find one. i am wondering if one could take a compensator for a 1911 goverment model and have the end milled off to the correct length, same as a commander barrel bushing and then, would it work? of course i am talking about the compensators that are also the barrel bushing. anyone have any insight on this?

carver · 04-16-2011, 10:31 AM

I would start with my local gun smith. Ask him about this, and get back to us when you have an answer.

dammitman · 04-16-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by carver

I would start with my local gun smith. Ask him about this, and get back to us when you have an answer.

that would be great but there is no local gunsmith here, i have to mail off things to be smithed but dont want to mail off a goverment comp if it wouldnt work anyway.

Bill DeShivs · 04-16-2011, 02:38 PM

Barrel bushings for Commander and full sized 1911s are the same.

rhmc24 · 04-16-2011, 04:38 PM

I've thought of taking a junk (or cheapie) barrel and making a few hacksaw cuts across the top near the muzzle just to try out the effect ---- another rainy day project maybe.

dammitman · 04-16-2011, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill DeShivs

Barrel bushings for Commander and full sized 1911s are the same.

i didnt think they were or are at all, here are colt parts for sale from midway,
Colt Barrel Bushing 1911 Government, Colt Gold Cup Steel BlueProduct #: 874093Manufacturer #: SP50145B

Colt Barrel Bushing 1911 Commander Steel Matte BlueProduct #: 810265Manufacturer #: SP51039DB
they look alot different in total but,,i think that the goverment one could be shortened on the one end and it would work correctly. hasnt anyone ever wondered about this?

Skipper · 04-16-2011, 08:00 PM

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wondering if one could take a compensator for a 1911 goverment model and have the end milled off to the correct length, same as a commander barrel bushing and then, would it work?

I did the exact same thing to my Combat Commander. Works fine.

dammitman · 04-16-2011, 08:56 PM

nice, any other input?

Bill DeShivs · 04-16-2011, 09:55 PM

I forgot the Commander bushings are shorter on the inside!
Yes, you can shorten a GM bushing.

RHMC24- that's not a very good idea.

Helix_FR · 04-16-2011, 09:57 PM

Gotta trim the bushing. Standard GI will bind the barrel. Only issue is that some comps are so close in diameter to the barrel that people often times forget that the barrel is at a upward angle when the slide opens. This causes the barrel to contact the top of the comp towards the muzzle end of it and depending on the lenght some don't make it at all. Just make sure the comp has a wide enough diameter to clear the barrel. BTW, Im assuming this is for looks?
And I agree, making just for the hell of it cuts in a barrel to see what works is asking for disaster.

BDH · 04-17-2011, 12:35 AM

Someone here is missing the big picture. How is the comp going to be attached to the pistol? They are usually attached to the bbl either by threading (need a longer bbl) or a cone bushing replacing the bushing all together that's soldered to the bbl. But, cutting a comp down won't necessarily make it efficient. They are designed to work for each application, commander or gov't., carry or competition. There are numerous custom gunsmiths that can do what you want. Save up a bit and get it done right.

For RHMC24, when you cut the bbl, it will vent the gas prior to the slide moving to the rear and dump the gasses into the slide. There are better ways.

Bruce

Bill DeShivs · 04-17-2011, 12:45 AM

The OP was speaking of a bushing compensator, not a "real" compensator.

rhmc24 · 04-17-2011, 05:46 AM

Guess I should have provided a sketch. Thinking of a Commander (shorter bbl isn' it?), modify a full length (1911?) bbl and do the slots to the extended portion. To get more serious, one could buy a six inch 1911 bbl to experiment with. Of course none of this looks as 'cool' as the extended bushing type.

Skipper · 04-17-2011, 09:17 AM

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nice, any other input?

It works; the muzzle rise is dampened, but I don't know if it's due to the gas venting or just the added muzzle weight.

Re: the barrel muzzle rise hitting the comp, don't worry about it; the comps mfg takes this into consideration when the part is designed.

Buy a good one.........a cheap part will only waste your money.

I use the Wilson:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct...tnumber=683924

04-16-2011, 10:08 AM	#1
dammitman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 241	would this work? i am wanting to have a compensator for a 1911 commander pistol and really cannot find one. i am wondering if one could take a compensator for a 1911 goverment model and have the end milled off to the correct length, same as a commander barrel bushing and then, would it work? of course i am talking about the compensators that are also the barrel bushing. anyone have any insight on this? -->

04-16-2011, 10:31 AM	#2
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,280	Re: would this work? I would start with my local gun smith. Ask him about this, and get back to us when you have an answer. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

04-16-2011, 02:38 PM	#4
Bill DeShivs Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Contributor Posts: 1,470	Re: would this work? Barrel bushings for Commander and full sized 1911s are the same. __________________ Bill DeShivs www.billdeshivs.com

04-16-2011, 04:38 PM	#5
rhmc24 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Ardmore, OK Posts: 527	Re: would this work? I've thought of taking a junk (or cheapie) barrel and making a few hacksaw cuts across the top near the muzzle just to try out the effect ---- another rainy day project maybe.

04-16-2011, 08:56 PM	#8
dammitman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 241	Re: would this work? nice, any other input?

04-16-2011, 09:55 PM	#9
Bill DeShivs Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Contributor Posts: 1,470	Re: would this work? I forgot the Commander bushings are shorter on the inside! Yes, you can shorten a GM bushing. RHMC24- that's not a very good idea. __________________ Bill DeShivs www.billdeshivs.com

04-16-2011, 09:57 PM	#10
Helix_FR TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Imperial, MO Posts: 3,624	Re: would this work? Gotta trim the bushing. Standard GI will bind the barrel. Only issue is that some comps are so close in diameter to the barrel that people often times forget that the barrel is at a upward angle when the slide opens. This causes the barrel to contact the top of the comp towards the muzzle end of it and depending on the lenght some don't make it at all. Just make sure the comp has a wide enough diameter to clear the barrel. BTW, Im assuming this is for looks? And I agree, making just for the hell of it cuts in a barrel to see what works is asking for disaster. __________________ Only cowards shoot with their eyes closed.... helixgunsmith.com Last edited by Helix_FR; 04-16-2011 at 09:59 PM..

04-17-2011, 12:35 AM	#11
BDH Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: La Mesa, CA Posts: 5	Re: would this work? Someone here is missing the big picture. How is the comp going to be attached to the pistol? They are usually attached to the bbl either by threading (need a longer bbl) or a cone bushing replacing the bushing all together that's soldered to the bbl. But, cutting a comp down won't necessarily make it efficient. They are designed to work for each application, commander or gov't., carry or competition. There are numerous custom gunsmiths that can do what you want. Save up a bit and get it done right. For RHMC24, when you cut the bbl, it will vent the gas prior to the slide moving to the rear and dump the gasses into the slide. There are better ways. Bruce __________________

04-17-2011, 12:45 AM	#12
Bill DeShivs Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Contributor Posts: 1,470	Re: would this work? The OP was speaking of a bushing compensator, not a "real" compensator. __________________ Bill DeShivs www.billdeshivs.com

04-17-2011, 05:46 AM	#13
rhmc24 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Ardmore, OK Posts: 527	Re: would this work? Guess I should have provided a sketch. Thinking of a Commander (shorter bbl isn' it?), modify a full length (1911?) bbl and do the slots to the extended portion. To get more serious, one could buy a six inch 1911 bbl to experiment with. Of course none of this looks as 'cool' as the extended bushing type.