Feeling a Bit Betrayed

[hogger129]

http://wisconsingunowners.org/2010/1...utional-carry/

Scott Walker: Still Silent on Constitutional Carry


Madison, Wis. — Despite republicans taking control of Wisconsin’s legislature in the Nov. 2 mid-term elections, no commitment on Constitutional Carry (concealed carry with no permit system) has been forthcoming as of press time from either Governor-elect Scott Walker (R) or Wisconsin NRA lobbyist Jordan Austin.

The newly-elected legislature — where republicans now control the assembly and state senate — has breathed new life into growing momentum in Wisconsin to by-pass a “Shall-Issue” concealed carry law in favor of one modeled after Vermont’s or Alaska’s laws.

If successful, the reform would mean anyone who may legally purchase a firearm may legally carry it. Similar legislation was passed in Arizona this year, and several other states — Texas, Utah and Iowa — are on the cusp of rolling back permit-to-carry requirements.

While WGO has been in contact with Governor-elect Walker’s press secretary, Cullen Werwie, no statement on Walker’s position on Constitutional Carry has been received. Walker did earn an F rating due to his failure to answer the WGO candidate survey, which asks candidates their position on no-permit carry. The survey was re-issued to Walker giving him the opportunity to tell gun owners his views.

Meanwhile, four organizations — Gun Owners of America (GOA), National Association for Gun Rights (NAGR), Wisconsin Carry, Inc., and the United States Concealed Carry Association (USCCA) — have joined the public push by stating their support for “Constitutional Carry.”

I'm just sort of upset over the newly elected Republicans and the issue of concealed carry in Wisconsin.

Walker said he would not veto the legislation if it came across his desk, but so far nobody is even doing anything to try to get that legislation TO his desk.

I feel like I've just been told what I wanted to hear so they could get elected.

One guy who I saw at the range who is a Wisconsin assesmblyman said the legislation hasn't even been brought up in assembly yet.

[carver]

If you folks do get laws inacted that you want it is because the Politicians are just trying to get re-elected. They promised the nation that we would balance the budget, we saw how that went! I knew it wouldn't happen, but I thought that the newly elected representitives would have tried harder. They told us they would stand for us, once in office they sat on their butts! These aren't the guys I voted for, or are they?

[ozo]

"I feel like I've just been told what I wanted to hear so they could get elected."---hogger

Ya Brother, got the same feeling these days......

[tyc]

Originally Posted by hogger129

I feel like I've just been told what I wanted to hear so they could get elected.

Like that's never happened before ...

When you're good and fed up with the lying, think TERM LIMITS ...

TERM LIMITS works just as well with federal as well as state elected office holders.

tyc

[permafrost]

The problem with term limits at the federal level is that the aides are unelected career staff,for the most part. They have to bring the new electees up to speed on all the ins and outs of Congressional procedure.It takes a couple of years to learn whats going on.They would wind up calling all the shots if we rotate congressmen to often. Hell, they pretty much do now, I'm afraid! And they aren't controlled by votes, just lobbyists(and their money). Either way ,we lose.

[Claude Clay]

one term, 6 years. the 1st year you work with the outgoing dude; your vote, his advice. 4 years on your own and in the 6th year you bring the new man on board. no one gets a second term--especially during a time of war. one term and you can never run for any public office again. applies to all elected officials from mayor up. judges also.
and you can not spend more this year than you collected last year. and no agency, local, state or federal may borrow money.the principal on all outstanding loans must be paid down 3% per year till retired. every worker in America pays in to SS and may have a 401 or IRA but no pension besides SS. to retire double dippers, their pensions shall be taxed and reduced 10% per year till retired. no unfunded mandates and its time to say ' thats a nice idea but we can not afford it'. \rant off/

[permafrost]

Originally Posted by Claude Clay

one term, 6 years. the 1st year you work with the outgoing dude; your vote, his advice. 4 years on your own and in the 6th year you bring the new man on board. no one gets a second term--especially during a time of war. one term and you can never run for any public office again. applies to all elected officials from mayor up. judges also.
and you can not spend more this year than you collected last year. and no agency, local, state or federal may borrow money.the principal on all outstanding loans must be paid down 3% per year till retired. every worker in America pays in to SS and may have a 401 or IRA but no pension besides SS. to retire double dippers, their pensions shall be taxed and reduced 10% per year till retired. no unfunded mandates and its time to say ' thats a nice idea but we can not afford it'. \rant off/

Not Bad, not bad!
Apparently you've given this some thought. This makes entirely to much sense to ever stand a chance in hell of being implemented.

[Airdale]

Guys, I understand how you might feel like you're being ignored but I can also understand why you might want to cut these guys a little slack for a short while. The Gov. is under big time attack from the unions and their thugs. I believe there is a recall effort underway and his poll ratings suck (for standing his ground I guess). There is also recalls underway for some of the conservative legislators. My guess is, at the moment, they are busier than a cat sh#@@&** razorblades.

I would wait untll the newly reelected conservative justice is safely enscounced in his seat and some of the Union backed Recalls are settled and then make your demands known. If you are supporting the Gov. and conservatives then let them know it is gun owners that have their backs.

[graehaven]

Originally Posted by Claude Clay

every worker in America pays in to SS and may have a 401 or IRA but no pension besides SS.

I agree with just about all the other points, but this one. I don't think SS participation should be mandatory. Granted, if you don't put in, you don't get anything out. I'd be all for not participating, and keeping MY money and investing it as I see fit.

[Bmcphe44]

I agree Airdale. It really doesn't matter what kind of politics are at play here. The fact is that gun owners have only two choices and that is Repubs or Libertarians, at least if you look at the party platforms. A vote for any Democrat (almost) is a vote for gun control and a vote for a Libertarian (in most cases) is a half vote for a Democrat because the Libertarian can't win. So we are stuck with no backbone Republicans in many instances and we have to help them develop a backbone by harassing them to our point of view or out of office so we can elect one with a built in backbone. We have to be very careful in pushing a Repub out of office because it may open the door for a Dem to take the office. This is exactly what will happen in Wisconsin if the union thugs get their way and then you won't even be able to own a gun there much less carry one. The politicians aren't the problem anyway. The problem is the 50% or so of the American populace who think that this is a nanny state that will take care of them from cradle to grave. They are destroying America and either don't care or they don't have the brains to figure it out.

[Bmcphe44]

Graehaven I agree but look how GW was raked over the coals for suggesting that 2% be held out and applied to a persons individual account. Proves my point that these social programs administered by the government have become ingrained in the American culture. SS is a giant chain letter and someone is going to be left holding the last letter waiting for their check while the elite few exempt themselves from it.

[Bobitis]

SS, Medi whatever, etc., wouldn't be an issue if the government kept their hands off it.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul has to run out at some point.

WoW... Talk about thread drift...

[permafrost]

Originally Posted by Bmcphe44

Graehaven I agree but look how GW was raked over the coals for suggesting that 2% be held out and applied to a persons individual account. Proves my point that these social programs administered by the government have become ingrained in the American culture. SS is a giant chain letter and someone is going to be left holding the last letter waiting for their check while the elite few exempt themselves from it.

Indeed it is a shell game, there is no money in an account somewhere for SS. But, myself ,like you I imagine have put a lot of money into SS over the years, and would hate to lose it ,now that I'm approaching retirement age.
(providing they don't up the age a few more times before I actually get there)
I'm getting to the point where physical realities are over taking ideals. I do have a pension and 401K, but am still counting on getting something back for all those years of contribution.

[Bmcphe44]

Originally Posted by carver

If you folks do get laws inacted that you want it is because the Politicians are just trying to get re-elected. They promised the nation that we would balance the budget, we saw how that went! I knew it wouldn't happen, but I thought that the newly elected representitives would have tried harder. They told us they would stand for us, once in office they sat on their butts! These aren't the guys I voted for, or are they?

What they promised was to reduce the current budget deficit (the one the Dems should have already had in place when they had all 3 branches) by 100B. Did they do it? No! They showed no backbone when faced with a media firmly with the Dems that would spin a government shutdown in the favor of those Dems. Yes I am unhappy but I know that had we not elected them it would have been much worse for both the deficit and gun ownership. Again none of this would be the case if the American people understood that the Cloward/Piven strategy is firmly in play here. Promise what you can't deliver and then blame the conservatives/capitalists (with the help of a socialist media) for those failures. This country will not survive another NoBama term in my opinion, at least not in it's Constitutional Republic form.

[Bmcphe44]

Originally Posted by permafrost

Indeed it is a shell game, there is no money in an account somewhere for SS. But, myself ,like you I imagine have put a lot of money into SS over the years, and would hate to lose it ,now that I'm approaching retirement age.
(providing they don't up the age a few more times before I actually get there)
I'm getting to the point where physical realities are over taking ideals. I do have a pension and 401K, but am still counting on getting something back for all those years of contribution.

As am I. I do believe however that someone is going be left holding the bag and I have grandchildren. What is their future? I believe that guys like Walker may delay the inevitable but the general populace is the problem. How else would you explain his meteoric fall from grace for doing exactly what he said he was going to do? We (myself included) all talk a good talk but when it comes time to sacrifice no one wants to bat.

[Bmcphe44]

aut viam inveniam aut faciam

Very telling here. That is exactly what we will have to do at some point down the road.

[Bmcphe44]

Originally Posted by Bobitis

SS, Medi whatever, etc., wouldn't be an issue if the government kept their hands off it.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul has to run out at some point.

WoW... Talk about thread drift...

All political threads drift. It is the nature of the beast.

[carver]

Originally Posted by Bobitis

SS, Medi whatever, etc., wouldn't be an issue if the government kept their hands off it.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul has to run out at some point.

WoW... Talk about thread drift...

You are correct! I am retired, I have a Blue Cross/Blue Shield Gov. plan, and I am on Medicare. Medicare is my primary Ins., and B/CBS is my secondary. I am still paying for Medicare, but I am paying bunches more for BC/BS. Now why is it this way? Wouldn't it make more sence to make BC/BS my primary, they pay up to 80% for unscheduled treatment after I pay a $250 co-pay for the year. On emergency, and scheduled treatment BC/BS pays 100%, minus the anual co-pay, and I pay $25 per visit. Instead the Government does it backwards. Medicare is the primary, paying 80%, no co-pay, no charge per visit, while BC/BS is paying 20%, and I don't pay anything, except mega bucks for an Insurance policy with a Co that the Government seems to be portecting! And they won't even consider turning things around. Now that's crazy!

[Python]

Originally Posted by Bobitis

SS, Medi whatever, etc., wouldn't be an issue if the government kept their hands off it.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul has to run out at some point.

+1