WE WIN!!! No Sharia Law for Australia

[jack404]

or anyone else pretty much , a guy claiming to be from some cult is the only exception to the fact that the last 3000 terrorist incidents are all islamic !! if it was not for some nut who thinks aliens missed picking him up so he shot a dutch cop in the foot , otherwise that 3000 incidents in a row would be 17,000 in a row i guess we need lunatics as side releif from islam

[Juker]

I truly don't understand how that happened. We called him, emailed him, texted him, even sent him a letter, and he still missed the rendezvous.

[jack404]

happens every day look how many miss trains , buses , planes or join a fake cult . everyone should know better but ..

[Bobitis]

Originally Posted by kodimirpal

Th*e following is an interestin*g conversati*on between God and Jesus in the heaven.

And Lo God said, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you say unto men ‘Worship me and my mother as deities beside God?’

Jesus answered: “ Limitless are You in Thy glory! It would not have been possible for me to say what I had no right to say! Had I said this You would have indeed known it! You know all that is within myself, where as I know not what is in Thyself. Verily it is

You can't be serious.

You got a conversation between God and Jesus?
Where did that come from?

I sit mostly on the lines of JLA. I've looked at many religions, and they all have their issues for me.

Except one. Islam.

Islam has NO redeeming qualities that I can surmise.

It escapes me how ANYONE could embrace a religion that condones killing anyone that doesn't think likewise, and treats women and children as chattel.

Hell, your biggest threat comes from your own religion! You folks kill more of each other than everyone else combined!

And you kodimirpal, come here and dare to lift up this way of life?

That's some sick/twisted/perverted logic ya got going on there.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste, and Islam leads the way when it comes to brainwashing.

While it saddens me that you can't think for yourself, you are the one to blame.

BTW, don't argue with Jack. It's a losing battle, and he's battle tested.

[JLA]

Originally Posted by Bobitis

You can't be serious.

You got a conversation between God and Jesus?
Where did that come from?

I sit mostly on the lines of JLA. I've looked at many religions, and they all have their issues for me.

Except one. Islam.

Islam has NO redeeming qualities that I can surmise.

It escapes me how ANYONE could embrace a religion that condones killing anyone that doesn't think likewise, and treats women and children as chattel.

Hell, your biggest threat comes from your own religion! You folks kill more of each other than everyone else combined!

And you kodimirpal, come here and dare to lift up this way of life?

That's some sick/twisted/perverted logic ya got going on there.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste, and Islam leads the way when it comes to brainwashing.

While it saddens me that you can't think for yourself, you are the one to blame.

BTW, don't argue with Jack. It's a losing battle, and he's battle tested.

And hardass approved!!!

Amen brother Bob..

[jack404]

its called taqqiya Bob , lying to advance or defend islam , only islam has permission to lie to people as part of its make up ( some faith eh) theres two type of lies taqqiya and kitman both are set up to allow you to lie , its supposed to be for defending islam or yourself as a muslim in trouble , but its spread to everything they do

look at gaza , the way they talk you would think the israeli's are 29 foot tall and made of steel and roll through villages killing everything in site

they never say the israelis have only ever responded to attacks by those in gaza but thats the facts, see they lie so often it becomes a habit a ingrained part of the psyche, and becomes part of their daily lives ,

thats why Our God is the god that loves truth no matter how hard it is to say

when persecuted Christians did not deny their faith

Muslims do often to protect themselves or to slide into socialist groups to sway them to the cause of jihad

and like our friend is doing now , they want to destroy the divinity of TRUE devine beings, so they can say lies that build up their fake dieties and false prophet ( who not once qualified for that term)

Allah was the old moon god of the pagans still is and whats that make him ??

a superstition brought to life by lies and threats and murder

that is islam and its ways

[Juker]

I always take umbrage when someone refers to me as a "religious man", as I promptly tell them, "No, I am a man of faith." All religions are man-made, generally created to line the pockets of the the head religious dude, no matter what he calls himself. Religions have done more harm than good IMO, driven millions away from the Truth. As a born again, non-denominational Christian, washed in the Blood of the Lamb, with unshakeable faith in my Savior and absolute certainty where I am spending eternity, I encourage any and all of you to open your hearts to the Truth.

Several years ago I came to the realization that the Creator did not need me to defend Him, or argue for His existence; for the simple fact is that anyone, anywhere who is seeking will find Him. All the cajoling, pleading, arguing, beseeching, and begging on my part will accomplish nothing if someone has chosen not to receive His gift.

As I told my atheist uncle five years ago, the simple reality is that one day soon, believers will be proven right.

"Jesus saith unto him, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father but by Me.' (John 14:6)

[JLA]

So Islam breeds its children to be pathological lying religious extremists and kill, rape, pillage and burn all who oppose islam?

I knew there was a reason I hated Islam..

[jack404]

some examples of Islam in the news

Muslim Woman Seeks to Revive Institution of Sex-Slavery

http://www.meforum.org/2930/muslim-w...itution-of-sex

Men should be allowed sex slaves and female prisoners could do the job - and all this from a WOMAN politician from Kuwait

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-Kuwait.html

Violent clashes outside U.S. Embassy after hundreds of UK Muslims stage mock funeral for 'murdered' Bin Laden


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...S-Embassy.html

and this a list of nations triing to ban the bible , but note nowhere is trying to ban the koran (yet) who's doing this ?? Islamic nations and communist nations , all the evil together with a common purpose huh ??

look whos side islam is on .. satan's

[jack404]

its not paranoia when they really do want you dead

but its far better to do onto others as they would do onto you

Silver Bullet Gun Oil folks , and do onto those, who need doing !

[Juker]

"... those who need doing."

Brilliant, Jack - I feel a bumper sticker comin' on...

[Juker]

Incredibly, I just now received this photo in an email! LOL

[jack404]

yes a great pic Juker (swiped )

we can argue all day but the fact rmains

Sharia Law now officially has no place in Australia (full stop) end of story

try to change that and we'll sit you all on your asses again

cause by the time we are done, Islam will be relegated as a cult , its support from the public will cease and people will know exactly what evil it truly is by legislation and education.

will we ban it ? thats for the people to decide via vote ..

guess what mine will be ...

kodimirpal thats what your up against here , take a reality check and realise your plans for us wont work , your on the losing side again , there will be no caliphate globally , there will be no global islamic empire , The Lord has spoken on this and your immitation copycat faith cant change His words and Deeds , all He has said has either come to pass or will come to pass , mohammed never got one thing right unless he copied something from another faith.

take a look at Christ and His Words and deeds and see what the Truth really is , its not to late to be saved and to have paradise but not as you know it , but something far more wonderful , and nowhere near as depraved ..

Take a look at who Jesus really was and come on back kodimirpal, compare Him to mohammed .. you'll see what i'm talking about if you have half a brain and a ounce of rational thought left , Islam is very brainwashing , but free thinking open honest people can be made free , truly free, i know i've seen it time and time again

its bloody excellent , out of islam (means to serve like a slave) into freedom ..

By knowing Christ







thats the future here ,

[BETH]

its a start

[kodimirpal]

Extreme views - whether those that cause violence, or blind prejudice - or anything else -- are always held by a small minority of the lunatic fringe of any group of people.

For every example of bigotry on the part of someone where it's especially surprising*, given their history ( American history of wiping out the natives and Australian and New Zealand history wiping out the aborigines, destruction of Inca civilization in South America, forced conversion of the entire population of Philippines except the Moro race by the Spanish and the Spanish Inquisition and crusades and colonosation by European powers) -- there are multiple examples of someone from that same group doing their best to work with Muslims, and even honoring Muslims.

I found this to be a particular*ly inspiring example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0IMzz7p6Mk

[jack404]

can i ask if what you say is correct why the mass majority of islam reveled and made the 9/11 attacks a joyous day ??? i mean there where street parties in paris london gaza anywhere there where masses of muslims they partied ..

jakarta was like a giant mardi gras with burning Christians churches as a side entertainment

why ? you talk of wiping out races but islam itself had over 200 sect's now less that 75 all wiped out by other muslims for islam

you can throw your blame at us my friend but the facts of islam outwigh your lies and tricks every time

the truth of islam is it is the most dangerous ideology on the planet by pure numbers it kills way more than it creates , it does not add to our global knowledge base ( unless 900 uses for camel urines is counted) it attacks anything it does not agree with and pleade victim the whole time

you sir are a liar and a cheat , you come here , a gun forum never to talk about guns but to tell lies to people and to defend your cult

defend all the terror and all the horrors islam has done the US Israel and soviet union combined have not ever reached 0.001 % of those killed for the cult of islam add world war 1 and 2 and you reach 5% almost , see?

these numbers are facts

only cancer comes close to causing as much death as islam and its running a poor second

that is what you defend mate , find a more gullable audience one with the IQ needed to accept islam , folks below 65 IQ would suit you just fine

answerr one thing

how did mohamed get to be called a prophet other than calling himself one and then arrainging the killing anyone who said he was not ??

normally there are many things that define a prophet , name 1 just one that mohammed did please , then maybe your further argument may have merit , so answer please what single thing did mohammed do that qualified him to be called a prophet ?

[jack404]

and a responce to this , i have one similar story for each day going back 712 days without a break many days have 2-7 stories , one day had 12 ..

all islamic attacks against other faiths, none against the poor muslims though , unless they are with their mujahadin hubby's as human shield and get caught in the cross fire

Police Reluctant to Prosecute Attack on Pakistan Church

Armed Muslims disrupt worship, damage altar, Bibles, cross.

LAHORE, Pakistan, June 1 (CDN) — Armed Muslims disrupted the worship service of a church outside Lahore on Sunday (May 29), cursing the congregation, smashing a glass altar and desecrating Bibles and a cross, Christian leaders said.


Police initially tried to protect the leader of the Muslim intruders, the nephew of a former Member of the Punjab Assembly (MPA), and instead of making arrests eventually pressured Christians to accept an apology from the accused, they said.


Pastor Ashraf Masih of Numseoul Presbyterian Church in Lakhoki Kahna village told Compass that Muhammad Shoaib, nephew of former MPA Mansha Sindhu, entered the church building accompanied by four men armed with rifles and pistols and started cursing the congregation for “disturbing the peace of the area by worshipping on loudspeakers,” though the congregation was using loudspeakers only inside the church building.


Pastor Masih said the Muslims manhandled members of the congregation when they tried to stop the intruders.


“They were just out of control,” Masih said. “Shoaib and his men broke the glass altar of the church, threw copies of the Bible towards the wall and desecrated the cross.”


He added that this was not the first time Shoaib has harassed village Christians. Four months ago, Shoaib manhandled 70-year-old church elder Bohru Masih, telling Bohru to stop church services because he did not want to hear the Christians singing hymns, Pastor Masih said.


“The loudspeakers on mosques are used all day long for prayers and sermons,” Pastor Masih said. “I fail to understand why this man has turned against us the last few months.”


He said that after the Muslims left the church, he called police, who soon arrived. The Christians showed officers the damages and expressed their anger at the desecration of the Bible and cross. They led police to Shoaib’s house and returned to the church site, where journalists and representatives of various Christian support organizations had arrived.


“I was later told by a local Christian that the area’s police in-charge, Inspector Arshad Khan, was appointed there by Sindhu and he would try his best to save the former MPA’s nephew,” Pastor Masih said.


His fears that authorities would protect the gang leader bore out when police later informed Christians that they had not found Shoaib at his home.


“This was a complete lie, because Shoaib was at his home all this time, and someone told us that he had prepared lunch for Inspector Khan and the other policemen,” Pastor Masih said.


He and the other Christians decided to go to the police station to register their complaint with area Superintendent of Police Malik Awais.


“On reaching the police station, we found the officials present there reluctant to register a First Information Report against Sindhu’s nephew,” he said. “They also tried to pressure us by saying that we were making false allegations against the Muslims.”


He told police that their colleagues had witnessed the damage done to the church building, that journalists had also photographed the site, and that unless officers registered the case they would block the main road in protest.


“At this the police panicked and started requesting us to reconcile with Shoaib and his men,” Pastor Masih said. “In the meantime, Awais also arrived at the police station, followed closely by Mansha Sindhu. Both men started asking us to let go of the case.”


Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif was present in the area that day to inaugurate a housing scheme, which added pressure on police to keep the Christians from blocking the road in protest, Christian leaders said.

Pastor Masih said that after an hour-long negotiation with Christian representatives, Sindhu agreed to make Shoaib publicly apologize, but that the police’s hostile attitude toward the Christians was evident in open support of Sindhu and his men.


“Shoaib said that he was drunk at that time and had lost his temper,” the pastor said.


A local newspaper quoted Awais, the police official, as saying that Shoaib was not drunk, had not carried a weapon and had not desecrated Bibles. The police superintendent declined to answer calls from Compass about why the former legislator’s nephew had apologized if he was innocent and why police hadn’t registered vandalism charges.


Sohail Johnson of Sharing Life Ministry Pakistan was among those who reached the village after hearing about the incident. He accused Tariq Javed, a local Christian politician, of pressuring area Christians into bowing to Sindhu’s demands.


“Some of us, including Pastor Ashraf, refused to give in to the pressure, but he [Javed] prevailed over the villagers, and ultimately they decided to pardon the Muslims,” he said, adding that fear of reprisal was the biggest element behind the reconciliation.


Napolean Qayyum, central leader of the Pakistan People’s Party Minorities Wing, said Christians’ political weakness was one of the main reasons for their inability to protest desecration of their church building.


“The Christians there were faced with a very influential Muslim politician,” Qayyum said. “Had there been a strong Christian leadership in Pakistan, such incidents would not have happened this frequently.”


He added that none of the Christian representatives at the police station had the courage to press the case further when the former legislator and his band of gunmen arrived.

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so stories like this happen every day and its the other faiths fault ? always ?

does this not smell like all lies to you ? what i show here is facts , what you push are dreams and lies ,

who's side are you on ? good or evil ?

evil allows lies and taqqiya

good wants truth ..

so cut the BS , why defend such evil ?

look at the people who do come out of islam

they acheive great things , but while in it , it seems they are held back .. is this the true blessing of allah ? to hold your people back ? to then have to lie and cheat to defend the words of your prophet ? of your holy texts? if they are the word of god they would not need lies to defend them , or do you not think your faith able to stand up to the truth ? , i agree , it cant

dont make up more stories or send us long ago thought out lies of what God has said , we know what has been Said and it is coming to pass

you talk of corruption but we see the arab leaders all falling and how much they have all stashed away from the people , the imam's and mullahs, so called men of god with more moeny in swiss accounts than many small nations , apartments with harems in dubai and singapore and kudistan where male and female slaves are plentiful and no prying eyes to see

islam is the most corrupt of any regime , where ever it goes corruption and violence follows , and Australia is great proof of that , the grand mufti of Australia ( like the arch bishop of Australia for islam) Sheik taj din Al Hilaily told the muslim people of australia that the rapists of the young women of this nation where good young men as kaffirs did not matter , he spoke on egyptian Tv of how we are all lowly people and how islam was superior in every way , and how the rapes where a setup to make hate against innocent muslims, which is right > the rapes where ok ? or they did not happen ?
you talk of average muslims , average Christians if their national head said such things would , pick him up throw him outta his office and get a new guy ..

Islam promoted his butt ( then sacked him when they found he stole $11 million dollars from the islamic foundation )

whats a average muslim to think when this is their leadership speaking ??

i hear no voices from islam saying these things are wrong , but i hear many saying its all lies .

want the video tape of sheik taj breaking into his own mosque and then calling the police and blaming true moderate muslims and there non muslim friends for the break in ?? idiot forgot to turn off the video security system before he did it all ... and i got a copy

thats islam my friend ..

get out of islam while your soul has a chance my friend , its not too late unless you make it so ...

[kodimirpal]

American definition of terrorism is violated first and foremost by America itself:

Following is the US DEFINITION of TERRORISM.

"[An] act of terrorism, means any activity that

(A) involves a violent act or an act dangerous to human life that is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State; and

(B) appears to be intended
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping." (United States Code Congressional and Administrative News, 98th Congress, Second Session, 1984, Oct 19, volume 2; par 3077, 98 STAT. 2707[West Publishing Co., 1984]).

USA and Israel are the biggest violators of their own definition of TERRORISM, as you read below. France, United Kingdom, Italy, Australia, Poland, Canada do have a big share in aiding American butchery and destabilisation of the third world.

Unless and until we address the root cause of the Western intervention in the affairs of other nations, the counter terrorism in some measures is likely to go on.

Revenge ( wrong of course )unfortunately runs in the veins and vessels of humans. Western and Israeli neo-imperialism and political domination of the world should come to an end and we have to accept social justice and fair distribution of the world’s wealth.

My enemy’s enemy is my friend, and my enemy’s friend is my enemy, is an immoral policy. Nevertheless too many countries follow this.

Probably the US and Israel are exceptions, as they are capable of RUNNING WITH THE HARE AND HUNTING WITH HOUNDS as we see them doing it in India and Pakistan and much more vividly in the Middle East.

The most horrendously fundamental and oppressive State is Saudis. They are best friend of the US, the rogue state in the ME is Israel, again the best friend of the US. Is it not the best definition of double standard? Is it STRATEGY or OPPORTUNISM?

Common guys, please think and reply. Do not act on emotions and out of hatred towards a particular culture or faith.

[kodimirpal]

Many of the readers here make gimmics and ridicule assuming that they are very intelligent and knowledgeable. Show civility and decorum in your replies. Being rude does not mean you have won the debate.

The United States is the “most militaristic” government in the world which tries to wield its influence by “interfering in the domestic affairs” of independent countries. It has invaded more than 20 countries in the last 50 years. Does that indicate a peaceful nation?

the US government is part of the “New World Order” which aims to “dominate the world in every aspect of life politically, economically and militarily”.

Clinton as being part of the old US 'Imperialistic Brigade' that one associates with Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, George Bush and many others.”

the US munitions industry is one of the “most lucrative” export industries in the world whose ideology is to keep existing wars going or to create a conflict in order to expand its arms exports.

Clinton's comments with regards to Iran are suggestive of “the rank hypocrisy” of the Obama administration.

the US government has “invaded more than 20 countries in the last 50 years--hardly the actions of a nation of peace.”

“... When it is not making war, America is very happy to sell the weapons of war to regimes around the world including Saudi Arabia, Egypt and most of the Persian Gulf countries where democracy is indeed in short supply,” the United States has the largest military in the world “whose weaponry is so large it outnumbers in every way imaginable the might and strength of the next 27 countries put together”.

Also speaking to IRNA, Kamal Helbawi the director of the Centre for the Study of Terrorism in London said there is no other country more militarist than the United States and Israel.
http://mwcnews.net/focus/analysis/52...nal-yaron.html

[kodimirpal]

The CIA plotted and overthrew the democratically elected Govt of Mussadiq in Iran in 1953 ( and brought one of the most horrible dictators, Shah to power) for which

Obama apologised to Iran after 54 years in his historic Cairo Speech.

Americans have beautiful terms such as humanitarian intervention( read CRIME) etc for their sins.

Can someone list the names of countries (similar to Iran) where the CIA successfully brought a coup de’tat overthrowing Govts that failed to toe the american dictates.

When did the US apologise for the brutal apartheid practised on the African slaves. I forgot.


Have the americans apologised for assassination of Lumumba? When will they apologise for organising a terrorist army of Islamic fanatics for americas own purposes in Afghanistan with the help of Osama Laden?

Or Clinton bombing and destroying the biggest pharmaceutical plant ( called Al-Shifa) producing 90% of chloroquine and TB drugs, in Sudan simply because Osama bin Laden helped to establish the plant. Approximately the lack of medicine had killed 200,000 Sudanese. Is this not killing the innocent. 9/11 was a horrible terrorist act. No one denies.
Do retaliate and catch the culprits and punish the nation responsible. But why punish Iran, Iraq and Afghansitan. Why not Saudi Arabia from where 18 of the 9/11 terrorists came? Thank man think, do not get angry and hate Islam for everything.

Having committed such horrendous atrocities and terrorism around the world the Neocon american politicians will ask why do they hate us?

[kodimirpal]

Author Stephen Kinzer's Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change From Hawaii to Iraq (Times Books, 2006) is an infuriating recitation of American government's military bullying over the past 110 years -- a century of interventions around the world that resulted in the overthrow of 14 governments -- in Hawaii, Cuba, the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Vietnam, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama, Chile, Iran, Grenada, Afghanistan, and ... Iraq.

Stephen Kinzer, who spent years on various front lines for The New York Times, calls these regime changes "catastrophic victories," but of course some were more catastrophic than others.

Most of these coups were triggered by foreign combatants and then taken over and finished by us. But four of them, in many ways the worst of the lot, were all our own, from conspiracy to conclusion. "American agents engaged in complex, well-financed campaigns to bring down the governments of Iran, Guatemala, South Vietnam, and Chile. None would have fallen -- certainly not in the same way or at the same time -- if Washington had not acted as it did.

"Each of these four coups was launched against a government that was reasonably democratic For all 14 regime changes, we are obliged to force our version of righteousness on nations especially if they have a bountiful supply of minerals that our corporations want (i.e., oil in Iran, copper in Chile). In short, our military conquests have been launched under the glorious banner of Bible-thumping Christian capitalists.

BIBLE THUMPING CAPITALISTS?

[kodimirpal]

The world is controlled by a new world order dominated by America.

America is only 4% of the world's population, but uses 20% of the world's energy and consists of over 24% of the world's GDP. America's GDP is more than the next largest 3 combined GDPs of Japan, China, Germany.


Western imperial powers invaded, conquered, and reordered the entire world in the interest of the West. And America maintains that order with over 1000 military installations from which America spies on, monitors, contains, controls, obstructs, intervenes, even instigates the entire world.

International law is based on Western law and defined by the West.
As of today: America decides who lives and dies by assasinating anyone they label a terrorist.

As of today: the world's currencies are all based on the US dollar.

The US is a global empire. You control the world. And yet you have no authority or license or mandate from God. You are just conquerors, increasingly greedy, increasingly arrogant and destructive.

Simply wonderful, convincing counter argument, forceful and truthful, it is a fact that the U.S. capitalists want to build the biggest empire that the world had never witnessed, bigger than that of Chenghiskhan, the Roman Empire, the Ottoman Empire, the Pharaohs of Egypt, but history hardly teaches them lessons on how long such empires last and what had happened to such empires that were mightier and more powerful than the present American Empire.

Asia and Africa are fast converting to the religion of materialism and consumerism of Europe, what could be done if Europe and North American Christians, voluntarily learn more and more about Islam and voluntarily get converted to Islam and change their nations constitution and throw out some of the immoral laws voluntarily, of course reducing the so called freedom of the individuals but in the process enhancing the collective morality of the nations

[jack404]

answer a question

[jack404]

dont dicate your gibberished pre prepared quotations i see on muslim village to argue people with ,

write your words , answer a question or your just a spammer and wiill be treated as such

disccuss not spam ,


التحدث إلينا أو نفي أن تكون

[jack404]

oh and as a responce to your spam ,

islam killed more people in 1988 than has been attributed to the combined efforts of the KGB MI5 and CIA in their total lifetimes ( maybe the old NKVD would make it a big target ) , and 1988 was a quiet year for islam ..

you throw these so called facts , some are and some are BS but the real fact is

islam kills more people per year in this world than cars do plus more than who drown at sea and plus who die of a poisonous bite ..

islam deliberately wages war by famine regularly , the CIA and even KGB never did that ( KNVD did ) you want to throw the crimes of others you had better be prepared to show islams own crimes

shall we discuss the ottoman empire ? the last caliphtate ? the most corrupt inefficient entity the planet has known and how many millions did they kill ?? 120 ?? millon ?

the riches of 5 empires squandered so the entire region was bankrupted for generations but its the capitalist's fault right ??

and now islam holds 90% of the worlds oil wealth and still muslims are the poorest peoples on the planet

dont preach we are evil until you fix your own house sport ..

your genocides are showing ...

i dont see you complaining about china eh ?

missed the fact they killed 80,000 wega muslim last week ?
oh thats right islam does not care about those heratics

thats why Iran spends so much time telling evil stories to the chinese to make sure they wipe out the wegan but not the sunni or shia , hahahaha islam you crack me up ( wegan is a sub sect of islam now only found in china and southern russia , wega is a tribal/racial group of the region, dont confuse to two.. many do )