Odd 45acp blazer brass - The Firearms Forum

dragonreg · 05-29-2011, 10:04 PM

I recently purchased once fired brass, mostly blazer. Blazer Brass I've used in the past was inscribed "cci 45 AUTO". this reads "BLAZER 45 Auto". I mention only to accurately describe. My only concern is the primer; it's a small primer in all those I just bought. My shop says they don't know what to sell; standard or magnum or rifle. ANY IDEAS are greatly appreciated.

gdmoody · 05-29-2011, 10:24 PM

Welcome to the forum dragonreg.

I reloaded those in the past, until it got to be a pain in the butt to load when they got mixed with the "normal" brass. Now I just throw them in my unwanted brass bin and don't mess with them.

To answer your question, though, you use standard small pistol primers!!

woolleyworm · 05-29-2011, 10:54 PM

Welcome to the forum! The SP 45acp's have been causing all kinds of problems in the last couple of years. They're becoming more and more common too. I used to just toss'em in the scrap pile, but now I figure that they're still very capable of being useful. I could use SPP's in them if I ever needed to in a desperate situation. I have enough standard cases for the time being, so for now they just sit.

If you bought a large batch, I'd just keep all your standard brass seperate and load up what you have using SPP's. I'd suggest using Winchester SPP's as a first choice along with Titegroup or W231.

The other option is to see if you can get a refund; did the shop specify that these were non-standard primers? If they want to keep their reputation, they should give you your money back if you don't want them and didn't know they were SPP's.

RandyP · 05-29-2011, 11:43 PM

On a slight 'plus' side, you can use the same load data for those pesky small primered brass cases as you would for large.

But they are a royal PIA to sort.

mikld · 05-30-2011, 11:20 AM

Do a search on "small primer 45 ACP". This topic is making the rounds of reloading forums. In tests, the only difference in shooting/loads/functionng/accuracy is a velocity difference of less than 25 fps lower with small primers vs large pistol primers. Only problems arise when a batch of brass is dumped into an automated priming system w/o looking at the primers.

PanhandlePop · 05-30-2011, 12:12 PM

Use standard, not mag, primers. I hate the things, but I save what I scrounge and once, if ever, I have a hundred or two I'll go ahead and use them. Right now, I use the few I have to make dummy rounds as needed.

JLA · 05-30-2011, 03:37 PM

I too use them to make dummies, for 'flinch' training..

dragonreg · 05-30-2011, 08:14 PM

Thanks for all the response. The search netted a bunch of articles. I guess I'll keep these separate from large primmer 45 even though it's going to be a "pain in the butt" as many of you pointed out. Thanks Again

Boris · 05-31-2011, 07:08 AM

Get used to the pain. Someday all ACP brass will have small primers........

Orin · 06-12-2011, 10:58 AM

Its wise to keep brass in lots of 50 or 100 so you can recoerd how many loadings they go thru. Otherwise you mix weakened & strong casings. I don't toss old stuff but I do refrain from high energy loads in anything over 10 loads.

gdmoody · 06-12-2011, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boris

Get used to the pain. Someday all ACP brass will have small primers........

Lets hope not, but if they do, I will just adjust to the butt pain. . .

05-29-2011, 10:04 PM	#1
dragonreg Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 3	Odd 45acp blazer brass I recently purchased once fired brass, mostly blazer. Blazer Brass I've used in the past was inscribed "cci 45 AUTO". this reads "BLAZER 45 Auto". I mention only to accurately describe. My only concern is the primer; it's a small primer in all those I just bought. My shop says they don't know what to sell; standard or magnum or rifle. ANY IDEAS are greatly appreciated. -->

05-29-2011, 10:24 PM	#2
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,408	Re: Odd 45acp blazer brass Welcome to the forum dragonreg. I reloaded those in the past, until it got to be a pain in the butt to load when they got mixed with the "normal" brass. Now I just throw them in my unwanted brass bin and don't mess with them. To answer your question, though, you use standard small pistol primers!! __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

05-29-2011, 10:54 PM	#3
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,888	Re: Odd 45acp blazer brass Welcome to the forum! The SP 45acp's have been causing all kinds of problems in the last couple of years. They're becoming more and more common too. I used to just toss'em in the scrap pile, but now I figure that they're still very capable of being useful. I could use SPP's in them if I ever needed to in a desperate situation. I have enough standard cases for the time being, so for now they just sit. If you bought a large batch, I'd just keep all your standard brass seperate and load up what you have using SPP's. I'd suggest using Winchester SPP's as a first choice along with Titegroup or W231. The other option is to see if you can get a refund; did the shop specify that these were non-standard primers? If they want to keep their reputation, they should give you your money back if you don't want them and didn't know they were SPP's. __________________ . What are you gonna do, talk the alien to death? -- (on Sigourney Weaver's worry about Guns in Aliens) "Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands." "I carry a small gun to compensate for my huge Blue press." .

05-29-2011, 11:43 PM	#4
RandyP V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 439	Re: Odd 45acp blazer brass On a slight 'plus' side, you can use the same load data for those pesky small primered brass cases as you would for large. But they are a royal PIA to sort. __________________ Lee Anniversary and Lee Classic 4-Hole Turret, presently reloading .380, 7.62 Nagant (32-20), 9mm and 45ACP

05-30-2011, 11:20 AM	#5
mikld Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 577	Re: Odd 45acp blazer brass Do a search on "small primer 45 ACP". This topic is making the rounds of reloading forums. In tests, the only difference in shooting/loads/functionng/accuracy is a velocity difference of less than 25 fps lower with small primers vs large pistol primers. Only problems arise when a batch of brass is dumped into an automated priming system w/o looking at the primers. __________________ My Anchor is holding fast.

05-30-2011, 12:12 PM	#6
PanhandlePop V.I.P. Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 254	Re: Odd 45acp blazer brass Use standard, not mag, primers. I hate the things, but I save what I scrounge and once, if ever, I have a hundred or two I'll go ahead and use them. Right now, I use the few I have to make dummy rounds as needed.

05-30-2011, 03:37 PM	#7
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,412	Re: Odd 45acp blazer brass I too use them to make dummies, for 'flinch' training.. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

05-30-2011, 08:14 PM	#8
dragonreg Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cypress, TX Posts: 3	Re: Odd 45acp blazer brass Thanks for all the response. The search netted a bunch of articles. I guess I'll keep these separate from large primmer 45 even though it's going to be a "pain in the butt" as many of you pointed out. Thanks Again

05-31-2011, 07:08 AM	#9
Boris Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 607	Re: Odd 45acp blazer brass Get used to the pain. Someday all ACP brass will have small primers........

06-12-2011, 10:58 AM	#10
Orin V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 109	Re: Odd 45acp blazer brass Its wise to keep brass in lots of 50 or 100 so you can recoerd how many loadings they go thru. Otherwise you mix weakened & strong casings. I don't toss old stuff but I do refrain from high energy loads in anything over 10 loads.