handguns and the 2nd amendment - The Firearms Forum

tdkeesey · 06-19-2011, 12:05 PM

I have a question for anyone who can give me some kind of logical answers. I was reading on sites about laws and such about buying ammo for handguns under than 21 and buying handguns under 21. As I understand it you cannot do this for the fact that people under 21 are not trustworthy enough to own handguns? So my issue is that when you turn 18 you have the same rights as every other American so if the government is saying that you cannot buy a handgun or ammo for it is infringing on the second amendment as I understand it. So how can they do that? The people that are buying guns to use them to hurt people are not worried about anything like this because there using them to hurt people anyway.

Double D · 06-19-2011, 12:20 PM

Hello and welcome. This is an issue. You can go and fight for your country and pay the ultimate sacrifice, but no handgun until your 21. I am sorry. You ask how they can do that? It starts with liberals being in charge, but is not totally their fault. There are some so called conservatives that are just as bad. As far as most gun laws go, the largest percentage of them were written by the liberal machine and they do absolutely nothing to fight or stop crime and hinder law abiding citizens.

It does go directly against the 2nd ammendment. I wish I could help. In the state of florida, a person without a carry permit must wait 3 days to pick up a 22 pistol, but can walk out with an AR-15 and 1000 rounds of ammo right now. Now thats a good law.......only a liberal could think that up.

woolleyworm · 06-19-2011, 12:23 PM

Welcome to TFF TD,

There is a difference between Owning a handgun at 18 and Buying a handgun at 18. Check the applicable state laws in your state on this. Federal laws set the buying requirements on handguns/ammo; do I agree with it; No not fully.
I think that if you're 18 and want to buy a handgun, you should be able to. I do think there should be requirements for competion of a handgun training course and competency requirements.
There are pages of discussion on this forum and others about this subject, so I won't draw it out too much. I'll just sum it up to say this : It's not the worst thing to ever happen and it probably won't change in our lifetimes. Best thing to do is read up on your state laws and do what you're able to do to protect yourself as needed.

Alpo · 06-19-2011, 12:43 PM

Federal laws set the buying requirements for handguns from a LICENSED FIREARMS DEALER. At the age of 18, you cannot go down to Joe's Gun Shop and buy a pistol. You can, however (in most states) buy one at a yard sale or a flea market or a gun show. As long as the person you are buying from does not have an FFL, that Federal "21" law does not apply.

Bobitis · 06-19-2011, 01:00 PM

Howdy TD.

Yeah, it's kinda messed up isn't it. You can join the military and get killed, but ya can't buy a handgun or liquor.

Sadly, we created this mess. You appear to be a youngster, so remember when you vote.

Where I'm at, you can't 'buy' a pistol until you're 21. You can own one at 18.

Guess what my son got for graduation....

Hatch · 06-19-2011, 08:45 PM

I'll echo those comments from those who already posted...

Keep in mind what is driving and FUNDING the agenda of politicians when you vote.
Remember that buying a handgun is different than carrying or owning one, this varies state to state.
Remember that the 2nd Amendment (along with all of the others can be interpreted in various ways) Some people say that if the Supreme Court ruling on the handguns in Wash DC hadnt been about D.C. (instead of... Atlanta lets say, just for arguments sake) that it might have gone the other way, that the reason they were forced to rule that way is because D.C. isnt part of a "state" it's a totally separate jurisdiction and that's why Federal applies instead of state law. But it was obviously a wake up call to the left as well, because even Chicago immediately started changing it's draconian anti gun ownership laws as soon as that decision was handed down by the SCOTUS. They knew if they tried to draw a line in the sand, they'd fight and lose!

Still though, states do own rights to their citizens, and thats why CA and MA are so far out of control that it should bother everyone in every state, because what starts in CA infects the entire nation eventually. (another reason why I think CA should be broken into 3 states, no single state should have the power that CA has, also NY for that matter)

06-19-2011, 12:05 PM	#1
tdkeesey Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1	handguns and the 2nd amendment I have a question for anyone who can give me some kind of logical answers. I was reading on sites about laws and such about buying ammo for handguns under than 21 and buying handguns under 21. As I understand it you cannot do this for the fact that people under 21 are not trustworthy enough to own handguns? So my issue is that when you turn 18 you have the same rights as every other American so if the government is saying that you cannot buy a handgun or ammo for it is infringing on the second amendment as I understand it. So how can they do that? The people that are buying guns to use them to hurt people are not worried about anything like this because there using them to hurt people anyway. -->

06-19-2011, 12:20 PM	#2
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,252	Re: handguns and the 2nd amendment Hello and welcome. This is an issue. You can go and fight for your country and pay the ultimate sacrifice, but no handgun until your 21. I am sorry. You ask how they can do that? It starts with liberals being in charge, but is not totally their fault. There are some so called conservatives that are just as bad. As far as most gun laws go, the largest percentage of them were written by the liberal machine and they do absolutely nothing to fight or stop crime and hinder law abiding citizens. It does go directly against the 2nd ammendment. I wish I could help. In the state of florida, a person without a carry permit must wait 3 days to pick up a 22 pistol, but can walk out with an AR-15 and 1000 rounds of ammo right now. Now thats a good law.......only a liberal could think that up. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

06-19-2011, 12:23 PM	#3
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,888	Re: handguns and the 2nd amendment Welcome to TFF TD, There is a difference between Owning a handgun at 18 and Buying a handgun at 18. Check the applicable state laws in your state on this. Federal laws set the buying requirements on handguns/ammo; do I agree with it; No not fully. I think that if you're 18 and want to buy a handgun, you should be able to. I do think there should be requirements for competion of a handgun training course and competency requirements. There are pages of discussion on this forum and others about this subject, so I won't draw it out too much. I'll just sum it up to say this : It's not the worst thing to ever happen and it probably won't change in our lifetimes. Best thing to do is read up on your state laws and do what you're able to do to protect yourself as needed. __________________ . What are you gonna do, talk the alien to death? -- (on Sigourney Weaver's worry about Guns in Aliens) "Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands." "I carry a small gun to compensate for my huge Blue press." . Last edited by woolleyworm; 06-19-2011 at 12:24 PM..

06-19-2011, 12:43 PM	#4
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,770	Re: handguns and the 2nd amendment Federal laws set the buying requirements for handguns from a LICENSED FIREARMS DEALER. At the age of 18, you cannot go down to Joe's Gun Shop and buy a pistol. You can, however (in most states) buy one at a yard sale or a flea market or a gun show. As long as the person you are buying from does not have an FFL, that Federal "21" law does not apply. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

06-19-2011, 01:00 PM	#5
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: handguns and the 2nd amendment Howdy TD. Yeah, it's kinda messed up isn't it. You can join the military and get killed, but ya can't buy a handgun or liquor. Sadly, we created this mess. You appear to be a youngster, so remember when you vote. Where I'm at, you can't 'buy' a pistol until you're 21. You can own one at 18. Guess what my son got for graduation.... __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

06-19-2011, 08:45 PM	#6
Hatch Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 287	Re: handguns and the 2nd amendment I'll echo those comments from those who already posted... Keep in mind what is driving and FUNDING the agenda of politicians when you vote. Remember that buying a handgun is different than carrying or owning one, this varies state to state. Remember that the 2nd Amendment (along with all of the others can be interpreted in various ways) Some people say that if the Supreme Court ruling on the handguns in Wash DC hadnt been about D.C. (instead of... Atlanta lets say, just for arguments sake) that it might have gone the other way, that the reason they were forced to rule that way is because D.C. isnt part of a "state" it's a totally separate jurisdiction and that's why Federal applies instead of state law. But it was obviously a wake up call to the left as well, because even Chicago immediately started changing it's draconian anti gun ownership laws as soon as that decision was handed down by the SCOTUS. They knew if they tried to draw a line in the sand, they'd fight and lose! Still though, states do own rights to their citizens, and thats why CA and MA are so far out of control that it should bother everyone in every state, because what starts in CA infects the entire nation eventually. (another reason why I think CA should be broken into 3 states, no single state should have the power that CA has, also NY for that matter)