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Hatch · 06-11-2011, 10:47 PM

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My problem is ever since the kids have went off to school, I've had food go bad, canned goods. Peaches, fruit cocktail, ect in several years. We have been buying 3 year supply of 1-2 items every month for a few years. Living rural forces one to do this, when the nearest sams is 600 miles away. I got 750 cans of tuna for 50 cents a can a month back; dated good until 2015. Spent over 1500 on tissue & paper towels this spring; that won't go bad, just go up.

We actually are pretty self sufficient due to our rural lifestyle, put in over 300 lb seed tatoes a few weeks back. Man can winter over quite well with 1000 lb of spuds in basement and give friends & family the rest. Heck I sent over 800 lbs to Indian friends upriver in Canada last summer.

My great grandkids will still be killing caribou with ammo I supplied them with 50 years after I've left this earth, no joke.

I'd hate to live in a rural area in times of trouble though.

I'm really not that all worried about the UN or feds or going hungry or wanting for anything I really need though. Nobody even contemplating parting with any of their guns either. Life is still quite good where we call home and I don't see anything but increased prices in the future; that won't affect my life all that much.

Everybody should remove themselves from their political, social & economic enslavement they seem to feel threatened with. Life goes on, some people survive, some fall by the wayside; I don't get too upset about anything nowadays.

Ya know, in our community about 20 years back the park service got a few of the locals upset. State of Ak sent in state troopers from 200 miles away to escort all the fed park employees out of here after death threats were imagined by fed park people.
We've had quite a few good park administrators ever since and still everybody hates the feds with a passion; will never change either.

And Python, I guess I'm living in a different world than you are cause I don't see what you do; no offense.

I always remember what Crocket said about all the big men he saw in his day. He said problem with them was it was all on the outside, nothing on the inside.

I have a buddy back east in Pennsylvania. He has been crying about how it has changed and how bad it is, and on and on. Planning on moving to Alaska for over 10 years, but too scared to take the chance and has the means to do it too. I even offered him a few acres of my property to build on this year. He backed out once again this year soon as summer got here, ha ha. I feel sorry for him actually. He crys the blues about everything yet is secure in his back east enslavement. If he had any balls, he'd been here a year after I came 25 years back. Quite a few big men like that in urban America.

Yet another sermon on how great you have it in Alaska... k, got the memo, thanks!

Python · 06-12-2011, 02:31 AM

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Not being the God fearing man that many here are, I'd like to throw out a different perspective.

I've been the 'born again' Christian. I don't believe in imacculate conception. It's not possible in mammals. Was Jesus a great man? Absolutely! Is he the only way to the creator? I hope not.

I believe the bible is a book of history. It's also a document that folks should adhere to. Not so much from a 'religious' stand, but a moral/humanistic point.

Isreal is a point of reference, and a signifant one. To me, Isreal stands for the human spirit. When we give up, the creator will step in.

It's up to each of us to keep fighting evil. Evil is not a Christian concept. It simply is. When we give up hope and stop fighting, the end will come.

Sorry for babbling....

Your perspective is that of the average secular humanist. I'm sure you'll put up a good fight. I wish you well.

CSA95 · 06-13-2011, 02:37 AM

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At the latest attempt to count, they say there are somewhere between 23 million and 44 million hunters in America. That's the largest Army in the world! It doesn't count the number of people who own weapons and don't hunt.That moves the number up to something north of 80 million. All we need is a little organization.

im down with that to bad i live in Commiefornia. it would be me and 3 other people.

bamashooter · 06-13-2011, 03:52 AM

Some of you people act like there is nothing we can do about what the government wants to give us or take from us. What you need to remember is we the people are the government. I personally will never give up my rights that has been fought for by my family for over 200yrs.

I agree that there are alot of people that ignore whats going on around them but when the time comes to put up or shut up they will make the right decision. If the people of this country come together there isnt anybody in the world that could take our freedom.

I still believe this is the greatest country in the world, despite some of its leadership. I took an oath to defend my country and the constitution. Ive done it before and although Im a little older and a little worse for wear I wouldnt hesitate to fight for my country, constitution, family, and my fellow americans again. Just becouse someone somewhere said they were taking our rights away doesnt mean they will succeed in doing so.

This is the people's country, not the UN or the governments.

Double D · 06-13-2011, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bamashooter

Some of you people act like there is nothing we can do about what the government wants to give us or take from us. What you need to remember is we the people are the government. I personally will never give up my rights that has been fought for by my family for over 200yrs.

I agree that there are alot of people that ignore whats going on around them but when the time comes to put up or shut up they will make the right decision. If the people of this country come together there isnt anybody in the world that could take our freedom.

I still believe this is the greatest country in the world, despite some of its leadership. I took an oath to defend my country and the constitution. Ive done it before and although Im a little older and a little worse for wear I wouldnt hesitate to fight for my country, constitution, family, and my fellow americans again. Just becouse someone somewhere said they were taking our rights away doesnt mean they will succeed in doing so.

This is the people's country, not the UN or the governments.

Well said bama. I refuse to throw in the towel. And I have studied as much scripture as the next guy and have seen all the internet videos of alex jones and the bildebergs and all the rest. No, dont count me in the naysayers. I believe the people will prevail.

Juker · 06-13-2011, 07:42 AM

Amen, amen! If the sky is falling and there is no hope, we might as well turn in our guns now, go home, and drown ourselves in the bathtub (since we won't have any guns to kill ourselves).

I believe the end of this age is near and the Rapture is soon to come. But it doesn't mean I am to stop serving my Lord with joy in my heart, and living my life. I believe God has had just about enough of America, but His mercy abides on those who are saved. I think there will be some mighty rough times as America implodes (before the Rapture), and I won't just stand still and be herded off by the Obamajugend.

While my heart breaks for America, I look forward with joy to the blessed reappearance of our Savior. I spent far too many years as a "gloom & doom, turn or burn" Christian; "you're gonna go to hell, better get right with God!" That attitude bears no fruit, nor does posturing that we have more divine insight than the next believer. Salvation brings the presence of the Holy Spirit, and a multitude of gifts, including strength, knowledge, insight, perception, joy, and most importantly, peace. They should know us by our walk, and want to know what it is we have that's missing in their lives.

So I will continue to serve the Lord with gladness, not as a prophet of doom, but as a servant with a joyful heart.

"Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all ye lands. Serve the LORD with gladness: come before His presence with singing. Know ye that the LORD He is God: it is He that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are His people, and the sheep of His pasture. Enter into His gates with thanksgiving, and into His courts with praise: be thankful unto Him, and bless His name. For the LORD is good; His mercy is everlasting; and His truth endureth to all generations." (Psalm 100:1-5)

ofitg · 06-13-2011, 08:41 AM

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Well said bama. I refuse to throw in the towel. And I have studied as much scripture as the next guy and have seen all the internet videos of alex jones and the bildebergs and all the rest. No, dont count me in the naysayers. I believe the people will prevail.

The older I get, the more I appreciate the wisdom of our country's founders. Our politcal system may be corrupt, but we still have the means to select good candidates and vote them into office. All we really need is for voters to pull their heads out of the sand.

I hope it will never come to an armed revolt. Yes, I know, that's what the Second Amendment is all about, but that's only a last resort. We're not there yet.

Double D · 06-13-2011, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ofitg

The older I get, the more I appreciate the wisdom of our country's founders. Our politcal system may be corrupt, but we still have the means to select good candidates and vote them into office. All we really need is for voters to pull their heads out of the sand.

I hope it will never come to an armed revolt. Yes, I know, that's what the Second Amendment is all about, but that's only a last resort. We're not there yet.

Your right. I see people in the streets in iran and other places and I picture what it would be like here in america. The american people have lived free and that is all we know. Try to change that and watch the passion pour from the hearts of the people, a passion like no other, a passion that NOBODY can or will contain. No, WE THE PEOPLE will stand up in the face of adversity and proclaim our freedom and no person or persons will have the power to keep us down. We have made some bad choices, but we will always pull together in the time of need! My money is on WE THE PEOPLE!

Zhurh · 06-13-2011, 10:41 AM

Not going to brag up Alaska; sorry I have in the past; just found my own shang ri la of freedom of sorts that fits my world view.

Don't you all remember early through mid 90's, all the anger & fear? What happened? It all cooled on down, no UN troops on main street, no financial collapse like I predicted back then, none of the over reactions I truly believed were on the verge of becoming reality. The pendulum swung back the otherway. I believe that happens alot in our country.

I know we have even greater debt, money, spending problems now, so does China in it's own way, and everybody else too. My better judgment tells me to prepare but not off the deep end. Have faith in God & Country and everything will work it's way out. I'm not going to put all my cards in some Obama has a coup, rebuilds America into a bunch of Red Commie CHICOMS, no way no how.

I agree with the last several posts. I ain't giving up my guns just like millions of other Americans, I ain't giving up my freedom in fear of retribution from anybody. I'm going to live my life with my family to the best of my means & ability for the best future I can dream on for America. WE ain't going to dry up and blow away.

Juker · 06-13-2011, 12:30 PM

Amen, Brother Zhurh, amen!

And I enjoy all your posts regarding Alaska - makes me realize there's a better life a-waitin' for us, somewhere, next year after we finalize our escape from Communist-controlled Illinois.

And hey, if that fella in Pennsylvania doesn't want that land...

Double D · 06-13-2011, 01:48 PM

I like the way of life in alaska, but wouldnt survive 2 days in the cold weather. So, I guess I need to find an inbetween. Problem is soo many people are looking for exactly that. Dont want to fry and dry up and dont want to become a chunk of ice. I have been doing the fry thing for a long time.

Juker · 06-13-2011, 02:22 PM

Growing up in Texas, and having lived just about everywhere since except Alaska, I have come to the conclusion that there are only so many clothes you can take off, but you can always put more on!! LOL

And it's easier to make fire than to find water.....

permafrost · 06-13-2011, 04:34 PM

I would love to go to Alaska. I was born there, but left before I was old enogh to appreciate it. Talk all you want, Zhurh.
Oh, and by the way, did everyone forget the supposed race wars that were gonna' break out in the 70's? People were doing the exact same kind of survivalist hoarding(I've got some MRE's from '73 I'll sell cheap) , and blood was gonna run in the streets, and chaos would prevail. Only difference I see is the internet now makes it possible to really ramp things up. I to believe in the American people's ability to resolve conflict.

Juker · 06-13-2011, 04:47 PM

MRE's from '73? You suuuuure 'bout that, perm? LOL

permafrost · 06-13-2011, 05:05 PM

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MRE's from '73? You suuuuure 'bout that, perm? LOL

No, just being a smart**s!

Juker · 06-13-2011, 05:23 PM

LOL!!

Thought maybe you had some o'them prototype MREs...

Python · 06-14-2011, 02:55 AM

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I spent far too many years as a "gloom & doom, turn or burn" Christian; "you're gonna go to hell, better get right with God!" That attitude bears no fruit, nor does posturing that we have more divine insight than the next believer.
So I will continue to serve the Lord with gladness, not as a prophet of doom, but as a servant with a joyful heart.

If you consider "turn or burn," or, "your gonna go to hell, better get right with God" an "attitude" instead of the Gospel truth, and it "bears no fruit", we must be reading different Gospels and believe in a different Lord. Jesus spoke about Hell 216 times. Jesus said that in Hell they were wailing and gnashing their teeth in TORMENT. Does that sound like "gloom & doom"? These are the words and warnings of our Lord, is He therefor also a "prophet of doom"? Jesus said that no man can come to the Father except through Him. Therefor to "turn" to Jesus Christ is to "get right with God". Jesus said that unless a man believes in Him and repents of his sin, that man will be cast into the "Lake That Burns With Fire." The way I read it, that says "turn or burn". If Christ left His place of glory with the Father to become a man and die a horrible death on a cross, to keep us from going to Hell, how bad can Hell be? Maybe a place of "gloom & doom"?

If you share only the love of God with people, and neglect to tell people about God's judgement, you have shared with them only HALF of the truth. I don't propose (posturing as you call it)) to "have more divine insight than the next believer", I just know how to read. There's nothing "gloom & doom" about the End Times and TEOTWAWKI. If you're a believer, the return of Christ is certainly not "gloom & doom." I have a question for those that say they believe the Bible. What is it about Jesus telling us that we are living in the Last Generation that is MISUNDERSTOOD? I ask because even those who say that they believe, continue to speak of how the elections will affect the children and grandchildren etc.,of future generations.

Double D · 06-14-2011, 07:13 AM

Python, your need to underline and make everything bold is kind of well, childish. It is the love of god that leads men to repentance. People do need to know about hell and the end times, but again, you come across as someone who "thinks" he knows the truth, and everyone else is just plain wrong or missing the point or just hasnt reached your level of understanding.

To use your method MANY of us here are older and more experienced and have been studying scriptures for a long time and know exactly what they say. We also have had the internet for many years and know of all the gloom and doom stuff thats out there. There are people here that might listen what you have to say if you would come down off your throne and talk to them without treating them like they dont understand you or they are just plan stupid.

We all have to get by in our own way. Remember, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling? How about the meek shall inherit the earth? I guess I have said enough. Just every time I read your posts I get the sense that we are all just little people who are understudied and ignorant to what is in store. I would have to say your assessment is far from the truth.

Juker · 06-14-2011, 08:00 AM

We should give because we want to help our fellow man, not because it's a tax write-off.

We should get married because we can't imagine life without them, not because we're afraid of being alone.

And we should come to Christ because we want a relationship with Him, not because we're afraid of eternal damnation in Hell.

So my point is, scaring someone into salvation isn't the same as "Don't touch the stove, child, it's hot." I have encountered far too many who were led through a prayer of salvation out of fear, and are no more going to Heaven than this keyboard. They have no relationship with Christ, they have no walk with Him, they bear no evidence of the Holy Spirit within them. Their current life bears no change from their former life - they just wanted to get their ticket punched and join the club to avoid Hell. Party on.

We are to be known by our walk, by our light, by the fruits our lives bear as servants of Him - that we have achieved peace in our lives knowing where we will spend eternity.

Most, if not all, Christians on this forum can see we're living in the end times, that the Rapture is nearer every day. But there is no quota in this human life wherein God says, "Okay, you're done, just sit back now and watch everything collapse." None of us, not even Christ Himself, know the hour of His return. I believe one of the myriad reasons for that is so Christians won't cease to strive. We are to continue in His service with joy, not out of fear or guilt, but going about His work with gladness - witnessing, praying, counseling, and giving.

It is my hope and prayer that those on this forum who are still seeking the Truth can come to Him and achieve "the peace of God which passeth all understanding".

Python · 06-14-2011, 04:27 PM

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Python, your need to underline and make everything bold is kind of well, childish. It is the love of god that leads men to repentance. People do need to know about hell and the end times, but again, you come across as someone who "thinks" he knows the truth, and everyone else is just plain wrong or missing the point or just hasnt reached your level of understanding.

To use your method MANY of us here are older and more experienced and have been studying scriptures for a long time and know exactly what they say. We also have had the internet for many years and know of all the gloom and doom stuff thats out there. There are people here that might listen what you have to say if you would come down off your throne and talk to them without treating them like they dont understand you or they are just plan stupid.

We all have to get by in our own way. Remember, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling? How about the meek shall inherit the earth? I guess I have said enough. Just every time I read your posts I get the sense that we are all just little people who are understudied and ignorant to what is in store. I would have to say your assessment is far from the truth.

First, I doubt that many here are "older" than myself. Secondly, I don't "think" that I know the truth, the truth is written in the scripture, I simply "believe" the truth. Thirdly, you say that there are those here that are more experienced in studying scripture and know "exactly" what scripture says. Why then do most ignore "exactly" what the scriptures tell us when it involves the End Times we are living in today? If they understand more, and know exactly what the scriptures say, why then do they continue to speak of future generations? Maybe they believe that our Lord is lying to us? If my assessment, as you so call it, is far from the truth, tell me "exactly" what "This generation shall not pass away until all of these things have come to pass" describes. And while you're at it, describe all things. I don't want to be "childish" and emphasize anything here, so please be precise in giving your answer.

My questions are just questions. If asking questions makes me sound like I'm on a throne and people feel that by asking them questions I think they're stupid, I find that very thin skinned and an excuse to avoid my questions. This hasn't anything to do with self esteem, just answer the question. Yes, it is God's love for man that leads to repentance. God knows the wicked and rebellious heart of man, therefor God has also in his love, given us the the Book of Revelation, the Book of Daniel, Ezekiel and much more warning man of His wrath should they not repent. More people have come to salvation in these End Times by reading and believing God's messages in Prophecy (gloom & doom to you) than the message of the cross. I apologize if my questions are percieved as an attitude or of presenting an air of superiority, such is not my intent. However for those who perceive to know more than myself, please just answer my questions and educate me.

Double D · 06-14-2011, 05:55 PM

I find it humorous that you can be certain when god is going to do anything. His time is not our time. He has given us many signs of the end times, yet you and I could be long dead before he actually does what he is going to do. I really dont have to repeat the scripture that no man knoweth the day or the hour. So, we make plans for our kids and our grandkids and we do what he expects us to do. There will be marrying, and working in the fields and life will be going along as usual when he decides the time is right, and then he shall come as "a thief in the night". Yes, we ignorant types will continue to make our future plans for our children and theirs and if he should tarry, we will have done what we believed to be right.

We will also watch those who choose not to do that, and we will not scold them for their decision to do what they believe is right. We will pray every day for the salvation of our loved ones and those who we dont yet know. We will share the gospel with any open ear and pray they see the need for salvation. But we all are inferior beings that are only saved by his grace and not by any works, lest any man should boast. We must work out our salvation with fear and trembling. I would wager that those who are serving god after many years have found his love and grace to be sufficient. He said himself that hell was not created for man, but for the devil and those who chose to follow him, but that it is mans choice. Man sends himself to hell, god doesnt. It is his desire that none would perrish but that all would come to the saving knowledge of Christ.

No sir, I cant tell you when things will end. I wouldnt even try. I will tell those who seek, that I believe it to be soon. Could be tonight. There may not be another day to "make things right" with god. But who am I to say? Serve your god with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. If I were a betting man, I would bet that people who serve god their whole lives heard about his love and what he did for them at the cross. The folks who were scared into becoming a christian, well, they had a mind change and not a heart change. Most of them got unscared and went back to what they were doing.

I have gone on much longer than I ever do. I will never beat anyone over their head to try and get them saved. And I wont do it by scaring them either. If I am wrong, well, let God be the judge. As for your coming across as "superior" well, I can assure you that many here feel that way. Maybe a little self examination on all of our parts would do us some good.

Bobitis · 06-14-2011, 06:15 PM

Python, you stated that I sound like a secular humanist. I'd never heard that term before, so I had to research it. I would say that it's fairly accurate, but it lacks one thing. Spirituality. And that's a very personal point.

Politics and religion. Argueing either is seldom beneficial to the parties involved.
All it does is foment hate, and solidify the self imposed walls of opinion.

I don't care for a thread that devolves into religious debate. Many here are Christians, and they're bickering amongst each other. It's a no win situation, so I'll excuse myself at this time.

Double D · 06-14-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobitis

Python, you stated that I sound like a secular humanist. I'd never heard that term before, so I had to research it. I would say that it's fairly accurate, but it lacks one thing. Spirituality. And that's a very personal point.

Politics and religion. Argueing either is seldom beneficial to the parties involved.
All it does is foment hate, and solidify the self imposed walls of opinion.

I don't care for a thread that devolves into religious debate. Many here are Christians, and they're bickering amongst each other. It's a no win situation, so I'll excuse myself at this time.

Thats not really accurate. The issue is that several people feel like they are being talked down to. The religion entered the picture because python was certain nobody could decern spiritual things as well as he. If you have followed any of my posts over the years, you will see that I do not "debate" religion. Nor would I bicker my beliefs. I was pointing out that there are actually many people here that are christians that have the ability to disern and have the knowledge to figure things out without being "corrected" or made to feel somehow inferior. Each and every person has their own road to hoe so to speak. If half of the people here thought that the world will go on forever, that is totally up to them.

It comes down to this. Not any "one" person has all the answers. And most people dont live their life in "give up" mode. I constantly hear the sky is falling and there is no sense even trying to do anything about it so quit living, stop saving money for your kids education, heck lets just all drink poison and get it overwith. Thats nothing but hogwash. This country has made mistakes and we are in trouble, but it aint all a hopeless cause and it aint overwith. We can and we will overcome and things will get better. It may take some time, but it will get better. If you want to give up go ahead. I am going to stick with the heart of the american people and their desire to succeed. I guess when I see all this crap about throwing in the towel, I need to skip by it and let someone else respond. I dont and wont buy into it now or ever.

permafrost · 06-14-2011, 07:30 PM

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Thats not really accurate. The issue is that several people feel like they are being talked down to. The religion entered the picture because python was certain nobody could decern spiritual things as well as he. If you have followed any of my posts over the years, you will see that I do not "debate" religion. Nor would I bicker my beliefs. I was pointing out that there are actually many people here that are christians that have the ability to disern and have the knowledge to figure things out without being "corrected" or made to feel somehow inferior. Each and every person has their own road to hoe so to speak. If half of the people here thought that the world will go on forever, that is totally up to them.

It comes down to this. Not any "one" person has all the answers. And most people dont live their life in "give up" mode. I constantly hear the sky is falling and there is no sense even trying to do anything about it so quit living, stop saving money for your kids education, heck lets just all drink poison and get it overwith. Thats nothing but hogwash. This country has made mistakes and we are in trouble, but it aint all a hopeless cause and it aint overwith. We can and we will overcome and things will get better. It may take some time, but it will get better. If you want to give up go ahead. I am going to stick with the heart of the american people and their desire to succeed. I guess when I see all this crap about throwing in the towel, I need to skip by it and let someone else respond. I dont and wont buy into it now or ever.

Amen, brother! Never ever give up! If the founders gave up we would all be be speaking English now!.... Wait, What? (Anyway, I'm with you!)

Python · 06-14-2011, 07:47 PM

Double D, thank you for your response. Please note that my question is not in reference to the Rapture, or knowing anything about the day & hour, etc.. The Lord however has made it perfectly clear as to the End Times that we are living in, and has instructed us to be aware of the signs that He has revealed. There has never been a time when it was more urgent that we witness to our family and friends and present them with the truth of the Gospel. Time is too short not to. Because I'm a firm believer in a pre-trib Rapture, time is even more so of the essence. I'll say this only once so that you'lthe rl know where I'm coming from, after this I'll bow out. To take up less time & space I'll skip chapter & verse. The Lord said that the generation that sees Israel become a nation a second time will be the Last Generation. Jesus said that this generation shall not pass away until "all" of these things have come to pass. All means all. Since Israel is God's timetable to begin the 70th Week of Daniel (the 7 years of Tribulation), everything happening in the Middle East today points to the end of the Age of Grace when God once again focuses His full attention on Israel.

Ezekiel 37 has happened, 38 & 39 (invasion of Israel) is presently on the horizon. There can be no question that the One World Government, One World Currency (666), One World Leader (anti-christ), you name it, it's in our face and on the horizon. When Christ said "all" of these things, all includes those things that I just mentioned plus the Battle of Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ. God said man's years will be threescore years & ten (70 yrs), if by reason of strength fourscore years. Therefor it's reasonable to say that a generation is 70 years. Israel became a nation a second time in 1948. Add 70 years and we get 2018. Subtract 7 yrs of Tribulation and you get 2011. Will 2012 begin the last seven years of life as we know it? We'll soon find out, won't we? Any way you want to put it together, we're living in the Last Generation, and that is my point. Please be aware that it is "impossible" for all of the present world circumstances, and the coalition being formed in the Middle East (to include Russia) to invade Israel, to ever line up again as the Lord has presented. You believe scripture or you don't. I'll leave it there. Peace.

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bamashooter V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: north alabama Posts: 55	Re: The UN Hates/ Fears Our 2nd Amendment ..... Some of you people act like there is nothing we can do about what the government wants to give us or take from us. What you need to remember is we the people are the government. I personally will never give up my rights that has been fought for by my family for over 200yrs. I agree that there are alot of people that ignore whats going on around them but when the time comes to put up or shut up they will make the right decision. If the people of this country come together there isnt anybody in the world that could take our freedom. I still believe this is the greatest country in the world, despite some of its leadership. I took an oath to defend my country and the constitution. Ive done it before and although Im a little older and a little worse for wear I wouldnt hesitate to fight for my country, constitution, family, and my fellow americans again. Just becouse someone somewhere said they were taking our rights away doesnt mean they will succeed in doing so. This is the people's country, not the UN or the governments.

06-13-2011, 07:42 AM	#56
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: The UN Hates/ Fears Our 2nd Amendment ..... Amen, amen! If the sky is falling and there is no hope, we might as well turn in our guns now, go home, and drown ourselves in the bathtub (since we won't have any guns to kill ourselves). I believe the end of this age is near and the Rapture is soon to come. But it doesn't mean I am to stop serving my Lord with joy in my heart, and living my life. I believe God has had just about enough of America, but His mercy abides on those who are saved. I think there will be some mighty rough times as America implodes (before the Rapture), and I won't just stand still and be herded off by the Obamajugend. While my heart breaks for America, I look forward with joy to the blessed reappearance of our Savior. I spent far too many years as a "gloom & doom, turn or burn" Christian; "you're gonna go to hell, better get right with God!" That attitude bears no fruit, nor does posturing that we have more divine insight than the next believer. Salvation brings the presence of the Holy Spirit, and a multitude of gifts, including strength, knowledge, insight, perception, joy, and most importantly, peace. They should know us by our walk, and want to know what it is we have that's missing in their lives. So I will continue to serve the Lord with gladness, not as a prophet of doom, but as a servant with a joyful heart. "Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all ye lands. Serve the LORD with gladness: come before His presence with singing. Know ye that the LORD He is God: it is He that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are His people, and the sheep of His pasture. Enter into His gates with thanksgiving, and into His courts with praise: be thankful unto Him, and bless His name. For the LORD is good; His mercy is everlasting; and His truth endureth to all generations." (Psalm 100:1-5) __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST. Last edited by Juker; 06-13-2011 at 07:43 AM..

06-13-2011, 10:41 AM	#59
Zhurh Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Upper Yukon, Alaska Posts: 1,808	Re: The UN Hates/ Fears Our 2nd Amendment ..... Not going to brag up Alaska; sorry I have in the past; just found my own shang ri la of freedom of sorts that fits my world view. Don't you all remember early through mid 90's, all the anger & fear? What happened? It all cooled on down, no UN troops on main street, no financial collapse like I predicted back then, none of the over reactions I truly believed were on the verge of becoming reality. The pendulum swung back the otherway. I believe that happens alot in our country. I know we have even greater debt, money, spending problems now, so does China in it's own way, and everybody else too. My better judgment tells me to prepare but not off the deep end. Have faith in God & Country and everything will work it's way out. I'm not going to put all my cards in some Obama has a coup, rebuilds America into a bunch of Red Commie CHICOMS, no way no how. I agree with the last several posts. I ain't giving up my guns just like millions of other Americans, I ain't giving up my freedom in fear of retribution from anybody. I'm going to live my life with my family to the best of my means & ability for the best future I can dream on for America. WE ain't going to dry up and blow away.

06-13-2011, 12:30 PM	#60
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: The UN Hates/ Fears Our 2nd Amendment ..... Amen, Brother Zhurh, amen! And I enjoy all your posts regarding Alaska - makes me realize there's a better life a-waitin' for us, somewhere, next year after we finalize our escape from Communist-controlled Illinois. And hey, if that fella in Pennsylvania doesn't want that land... __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

06-13-2011, 01:48 PM	#61
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,052	Re: The UN Hates/ Fears Our 2nd Amendment ..... I like the way of life in alaska, but wouldnt survive 2 days in the cold weather. So, I guess I need to find an inbetween. Problem is soo many people are looking for exactly that. Dont want to fry and dry up and dont want to become a chunk of ice. I have been doing the fry thing for a long time. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

06-13-2011, 02:22 PM	#62
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: The UN Hates/ Fears Our 2nd Amendment ..... Growing up in Texas, and having lived just about everywhere since except Alaska, I have come to the conclusion that there are only so many clothes you can take off, but you can always put more on!! LOL And it's easier to make fire than to find water..... __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

06-13-2011, 04:34 PM	#63
permafrost Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oklahoma, USA Contributor Posts: 1,771	Re: The UN Hates/ Fears Our 2nd Amendment ..... I would love to go to Alaska. I was born there, but left before I was old enogh to appreciate it. Talk all you want, Zhurh. Oh, and by the way, did everyone forget the supposed race wars that were gonna' break out in the 70's? People were doing the exact same kind of survivalist hoarding(I've got some MRE's from '73 I'll sell cheap) , and blood was gonna run in the streets, and chaos would prevail. Only difference I see is the internet now makes it possible to really ramp things up. I to believe in the American people's ability to resolve conflict. __________________ Stand and Fight Last edited by permafrost; 06-13-2011 at 04:40 PM..

06-13-2011, 04:47 PM	#64
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: The UN Hates/ Fears Our 2nd Amendment ..... MRE's from '73? You suuuuure 'bout that, perm? LOL __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

06-13-2011, 05:23 PM	#66
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: The UN Hates/ Fears Our 2nd Amendment ..... LOL!! Thought maybe you had some o'them prototype MREs... __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

06-14-2011, 07:13 AM	#68
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,052	Re: The UN Hates/ Fears Our 2nd Amendment ..... Python, your need to underline and make everything bold is kind of well, childish. It is the love of god that leads men to repentance. People do need to know about hell and the end times, but again, you come across as someone who "thinks" he knows the truth, and everyone else is just plain wrong or missing the point or just hasnt reached your level of understanding. To use your method MANY of us here are older and more experienced and have been studying scriptures for a long time and know exactly what they say. We also have had the internet for many years and know of all the gloom and doom stuff thats out there. There are people here that might listen what you have to say if you would come down off your throne and talk to them without treating them like they dont understand you or they are just plan stupid. We all have to get by in our own way. Remember, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling? How about the meek shall inherit the earth? I guess I have said enough. Just every time I read your posts I get the sense that we are all just little people who are understudied and ignorant to what is in store. I would have to say your assessment is far from the truth. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

06-14-2011, 08:00 AM	#69
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: The UN Hates/ Fears Our 2nd Amendment ..... We should give because we want to help our fellow man, not because it's a tax write-off. We should get married because we can't imagine life without them, not because we're afraid of being alone. And we should come to Christ because we want a relationship with Him, not because we're afraid of eternal damnation in Hell. So my point is, scaring someone into salvation isn't the same as "Don't touch the stove, child, it's hot." I have encountered far too many who were led through a prayer of salvation out of fear, and are no more going to Heaven than this keyboard. They have no relationship with Christ, they have no walk with Him, they bear no evidence of the Holy Spirit within them. Their current life bears no change from their former life - they just wanted to get their ticket punched and join the club to avoid Hell. Party on. We are to be known by our walk, by our light, by the fruits our lives bear as servants of Him - that we have achieved peace in our lives knowing where we will spend eternity. Most, if not all, Christians on this forum can see we're living in the end times, that the Rapture is nearer every day. But there is no quota in this human life wherein God says, "Okay, you're done, just sit back now and watch everything collapse." None of us, not even Christ Himself, know the hour of His return. I believe one of the myriad reasons for that is so Christians won't cease to strive. We are to continue in His service with joy, not out of fear or guilt, but going about His work with gladness - witnessing, praying, counseling, and giving. It is my hope and prayer that those on this forum who are still seeking the Truth can come to Him and achieve "the peace of God which passeth all understanding". __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

06-14-2011, 05:55 PM	#71
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,052	Re: The UN Hates/ Fears Our 2nd Amendment ..... I find it humorous that you can be certain when god is going to do anything. His time is not our time. He has given us many signs of the end times, yet you and I could be long dead before he actually does what he is going to do. I really dont have to repeat the scripture that no man knoweth the day or the hour. So, we make plans for our kids and our grandkids and we do what he expects us to do. There will be marrying, and working in the fields and life will be going along as usual when he decides the time is right, and then he shall come as "a thief in the night". Yes, we ignorant types will continue to make our future plans for our children and theirs and if he should tarry, we will have done what we believed to be right. We will also watch those who choose not to do that, and we will not scold them for their decision to do what they believe is right. We will pray every day for the salvation of our loved ones and those who we dont yet know. We will share the gospel with any open ear and pray they see the need for salvation. But we all are inferior beings that are only saved by his grace and not by any works, lest any man should boast. We must work out our salvation with fear and trembling. I would wager that those who are serving god after many years have found his love and grace to be sufficient. He said himself that hell was not created for man, but for the devil and those who chose to follow him, but that it is mans choice. Man sends himself to hell, god doesnt. It is his desire that none would perrish but that all would come to the saving knowledge of Christ. No sir, I cant tell you when things will end. I wouldnt even try. I will tell those who seek, that I believe it to be soon. Could be tonight. There may not be another day to "make things right" with god. But who am I to say? Serve your god with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. If I were a betting man, I would bet that people who serve god their whole lives heard about his love and what he did for them at the cross. The folks who were scared into becoming a christian, well, they had a mind change and not a heart change. Most of them got unscared and went back to what they were doing. I have gone on much longer than I ever do. I will never beat anyone over their head to try and get them saved. And I wont do it by scaring them either. If I am wrong, well, let God be the judge. As for your coming across as "superior" well, I can assure you that many here feel that way. Maybe a little self examination on all of our parts would do us some good. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

06-14-2011, 06:15 PM	#72
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: The UN Hates/ Fears Our 2nd Amendment ..... Python, you stated that I sound like a secular humanist. I'd never heard that term before, so I had to research it. I would say that it's fairly accurate, but it lacks one thing. Spirituality. And that's a very personal point. Politics and religion. Argueing either is seldom beneficial to the parties involved. All it does is foment hate, and solidify the self imposed walls of opinion. I don't care for a thread that devolves into religious debate. Many here are Christians, and they're bickering amongst each other. It's a no win situation, so I'll excuse myself at this time. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

06-14-2011, 07:47 PM	#75
Python Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Arizona Posts: 677	Re: The UN Hates/ Fears Our 2nd Amendment ..... Double D, thank you for your response. Please note that my question is not in reference to the Rapture, or knowing anything about the day & hour, etc.. The Lord however has made it perfectly clear as to the End Times that we are living in, and has instructed us to be aware of the signs that He has revealed. There has never been a time when it was more urgent that we witness to our family and friends and present them with the truth of the Gospel. Time is too short not to. Because I'm a firm believer in a pre-trib Rapture, time is even more so of the essence. I'll say this only once so that you'lthe rl know where I'm coming from, after this I'll bow out. To take up less time & space I'll skip chapter & verse. The Lord said that the generation that sees Israel become a nation a second time will be the Last Generation. Jesus said that this generation shall not pass away until "all" of these things have come to pass. All means all. Since Israel is God's timetable to begin the 70th Week of Daniel (the 7 years of Tribulation), everything happening in the Middle East today points to the end of the Age of Grace when God once again focuses His full attention on Israel. Ezekiel 37 has happened, 38 & 39 (invasion of Israel) is presently on the horizon. There can be no question that the One World Government, One World Currency (666), One World Leader (anti-christ), you name it, it's in our face and on the horizon. When Christ said "all" of these things, all includes those things that I just mentioned plus the Battle of Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ. God said man's years will be threescore years & ten (70 yrs), if by reason of strength fourscore years. Therefor it's reasonable to say that a generation is 70 years. Israel became a nation a second time in 1948. Add 70 years and we get 2018. Subtract 7 yrs of Tribulation and you get 2011. Will 2012 begin the last seven years of life as we know it? We'll soon find out, won't we? Any way you want to put it together, we're living in the Last Generation, and that is my point. Please be aware that it is "impossible" for all of the present world circumstances, and the coalition being formed in the Middle East (to include Russia) to invade Israel, to ever line up again as the Lord has presented. You believe scripture or you don't. I'll leave it there. Peace.