constitution - The Firearms Forum

runes · 06-15-2011, 03:53 PM

I am curious. When I was in the military we took the oath to obey, uphold and protect the constitution. Do the police take this oath when they join?

Double D · 06-15-2011, 04:14 PM

It is my understanding that they do. I belong to an organization called oath keepers that is made up of those who have taken that oath at some point in their lives and will always promise to carry it out or obey it. Oath keepers was founded mainly because of all the talk of prison camps or disarming the citizens or just any order that may be given by our leaders that go against the constitution, so law officers or military personel wont follow orders to do so. You can check them out.

carver · 06-15-2011, 04:17 PM

I am also a member of Oath Keepers, http://oathkeepers.org/oath/ , and we have many members that are LEO's.

Double D · 06-15-2011, 04:20 PM

Sorry, I meant to post a link and carver took care of that for me!

lawdawg · 06-15-2011, 04:35 PM

Yes. Police officers are sworn to uphold the laws of their respective jurisdictions (state, city, etc.) AND the Constitution of the United States. I have personally taken this oath three different times. By judges for two seperate agencies that I have worked for, and once by the sheriff for a county wide task force I was assigned to.

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runes · 06-19-2011, 05:31 PM

Oath 2
I asked this question on another forum and was attacked by a very displeased person for asking such.
I am serious about my oath and I thank those who gave polite answers.
I have put the question to a lawyer friend and she seemed to think it was by jurisdiction (state). I'm glad to hear that it includes the contitutional oath of our country.
This other person went off on a rant about owning firearms and the world isnt perfect etc.
Thanks again for real answers.

Bobitis · 06-19-2011, 05:51 PM

It is what it is.

You can abide by it or toss it to the wind.

I know where I stand.

lawdawg · 06-20-2011, 10:21 AM

Here is the complete oath that I swore to:

I, (my name), do solemnly swear or affirm that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of Alabama, so long as I continue a citizen thereof; and that I will faithfully and honestly discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; to the best of my ability. So help me God.

This is the one administered by the sheriff for the task force that I was assigned to. Now, that last sentence bears a LOT of weight to me. This is a promise that I made to God, and I take that VERY serious. If I fail to honor this oath, I will answer to God for it.

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06-15-2011, 03:53 PM	#1
runes Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 38	constitution I am curious. When I was in the military we took the oath to obey, uphold and protect the constitution. Do the police take this oath when they join? -->

06-15-2011, 04:14 PM	#2
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,049	Re: constitution It is my understanding that they do. I belong to an organization called oath keepers that is made up of those who have taken that oath at some point in their lives and will always promise to carry it out or obey it. Oath keepers was founded mainly because of all the talk of prison camps or disarming the citizens or just any order that may be given by our leaders that go against the constitution, so law officers or military personel wont follow orders to do so. You can check them out. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

06-15-2011, 04:17 PM	#3
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,221	Re: constitution I am also a member of Oath Keepers, http://oathkeepers.org/oath/ , and we have many members that are LEO's. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

06-15-2011, 04:20 PM	#4
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,049	Re: constitution Sorry, I meant to post a link and carver took care of that for me! __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

06-15-2011, 04:35 PM	#5
lawdawg V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: South Alabama Posts: 268	Re: constitution Yes. Police officers are sworn to uphold the laws of their respective jurisdictions (state, city, etc.) AND the Constitution of the United States. I have personally taken this oath three different times. By judges for two seperate agencies that I have worked for, and once by the sheriff for a county wide task force I was assigned to. ____________________ __________________ Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

06-19-2011, 05:31 PM	#6
runes Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 38	Re: constitution Oath 2 I asked this question on another forum and was attacked by a very displeased person for asking such. I am serious about my oath and I thank those who gave polite answers. I have put the question to a lawyer friend and she seemed to think it was by jurisdiction (state). I'm glad to hear that it includes the contitutional oath of our country. This other person went off on a rant about owning firearms and the world isnt perfect etc. Thanks again for real answers.

06-19-2011, 05:51 PM	#7
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: constitution It is what it is. You can abide by it or toss it to the wind. I know where I stand. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

06-20-2011, 10:21 AM	#8
lawdawg V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: South Alabama Posts: 268	Re: constitution Here is the complete oath that I swore to: I, (my name), do solemnly swear or affirm that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of Alabama, so long as I continue a citizen thereof; and that I will faithfully and honestly discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; to the best of my ability. So help me God. This is the one administered by the sheriff for the task force that I was assigned to. Now, that last sentence bears a LOT of weight to me. This is a promise that I made to God, and I take that VERY serious. If I fail to honor this oath, I will answer to God for it. ___ __________________ Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764