Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director - The Firearms Forum

chubcobear · 07-02-2011, 10:36 AM

http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/21/is...-atf-director/

Issa gets closer to the mark? How high can he go?

jack404 · 07-02-2011, 10:57 AM

when obozo and crew jump in the save Holder and make him look a great guy , you'll know

cycloneman · 07-02-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jack404

when obozo and crew jump in the save Holder and make him look a great guy , you'll know

I dont know Jack. Commies let their kind hang when shtf. I think they gona let him fry. If someone can actually get some oil hot.

Is there any doubt who is behind this?

carver · 07-02-2011, 12:26 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...whistleblower/

Vince Cefalu told Fox News in an interview yesterday that he was being terminated for his "Whistle Blowing" on Project Gunrunner. In the interview he was asked if he thought Eric Holder knew about this Project. His response was, "He is the man in charge, if he didn't know about it, then why not"?

jack404 · 07-02-2011, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by carver

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...whistleblower/

Vince Cefalu told Fox News in an interview yesterday that he was being terminated for his "Whistle Blowing" on Project Gunrunner. In the interview he was asked if he thought Eric Holder knew about this Project. His response was, "He is the man in charge, if he didn't know about it, then why not"?

when this fiorst came out i looked at your government process its all there online to see, a operation like that with the resources it used could NOT HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT THE AG's APPROVAL and sign off on the resources

this is NOT a COUPLE OF ROUGE AGENTS , this is high end corruption to bring your nation into disrepute and for them to have a reason to ban guns

socialism at its finest

Hatch · 07-02-2011, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack404

when this fiorst came out i looked at your government process its all there online to see, a operation like that with the resources it used could NOT HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT THE AG's APPROVAL and sign off on the resources

this is NOT a COUPLE OF ROUGE AGENTS , this is high end corruption to bring your nation into disrepute and for them to have a reason to ban guns

socialism at its finest

I WISH you were wrong, but you aren't.

Marlin T · 07-03-2011, 12:16 AM

Then Holder can point at his boss.

carver · 07-03-2011, 07:24 AM

Wouldn't that be great to find that Obozo was in charge of this screw up!

Hatch · 07-03-2011, 09:01 PM

Hey, you guys have it easy!!! These are just guns that our F*d up Justice Dept under Idiot Holder let walk, here in the less-than-great state of Kommiefornia we're trying to figure out how to spring 36-44,000 inmates to comply with SCOTUS ruling.

The CA prison workers union wont allow inmates to be moved outside of CA to states that have capacity because that would be loss of their prospective GAIN in UNION JOBS. They have ridiculous demands while the rest of their legal arm, the Democratic Thuggery Dept passes law after law giving the inmates more rights than the victims or the officers keeping the animals in the cages!

Seriously... it's time for the rest of the states to wake up and look at what exactly CA is doing (WRONG)... just like the revolution against eminent domain following Kelo vs New London, it's time for ALL STATES to look VERY CLOSELY at whats happening here RIGHT NOW and take the necessary steps to protect themselves today BEFORE IT HAPPENS TO YOU TOO!

chubcobear · 07-06-2011, 10:36 AM

Aye, Hatch, you see the real power in California, and it ain't the people. It is, as you say, the public sector unions. They control the legislature and therefore they control California. GOP can only stop tax hikes and ballot measures. Democrats/public sector unions/private sector unions rule. If that type of power goes Federal, we are all screwed. Upon retirement, we fled California to escape that fiscal/political insanity that rules CA. So far there is a bit of state sanity where we now live. Good luck to you in California. May the people get the rule back soon.

Marlin T · 07-06-2011, 06:45 PM

Darrell Issa and Charles E. Grassley's letter to AG Eric H. Holder, Jr

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After being made aware of that provision of our agreement, Acting Director Melson chose to exercise that right and appeared with his own lawyer. We are disappointed that no one had previously informed him of that provision of the agreement. Instead, Justice Department officials sought to limit and control his communications with Congress. This is yet another example of why direct communications with Congress are so important and are protected by law.1

Teejay9 · 07-06-2011, 08:14 PM

Alright, enough with the Holder bashing. This man has an Ivy league Degree in something (Poly Sci?) and you have to admit, it was a brilliant idea. Let the cartels buy all the heavy artillery from the US and we watch to see how it's distributed and used for what purposes. What's wrong with that idea? What could possibly go wrong? You blame the US gundealers for selling the arms, and you catch all kinds of bad guys. Now, if only that plan worked, it would be collosal. (Note to all who want to flame me. This is my best sarcasm and I hope you got it. This is OUR government in action. Lame brains with stupid ideas. Get the troops back and let them fight the real war on our borders. TJ)

cycloneman · 07-06-2011, 08:37 PM

hahahahahah

tj i was wondering how a troll could have made it here for so long with all those post.

Marlin T · 07-06-2011, 09:05 PM

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Now, if only that plan worked, it would be collosal.

Exactly!

LMAO at thinking he was a troll heheheheh

Shoot, Huckfin is still here.

Marlin T · 07-07-2011, 05:13 PM

Justice Department Obstructing 'Fast and Furious' Gun Probe, ATF Director Says

By William Lajeunesse
Published July 06, 2011
| FoxNews.com

I didn't post the story because the vid is better in my opinion.

Zhurh · 07-07-2011, 07:10 PM

You all remember Ron Brown, the guy that said he wasn't going down himself with the slickster? He ended up with a bullet in the head in a plane crash over near Serbia or somewheres. Me thinks they'll treat Holder in the same manner.

I read today that the ATF director is singing like a canary. This is just getting started folks and the media ignores it's duty to report once again.

sliclee · 07-07-2011, 07:51 PM

There were 9 men in that plane besides the two pilots, all 9 had holes in the back of their heads, the pilots were not found.

glens67 · 07-07-2011, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sliclee

There were 9 men in that plane besides the two pilots, all 9 had holes in the back of their heads, the pilots were not found.

http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/newr...reply&p=764771

Here is the Ron Brown story.. Sound familiar...
when the airplane carrying Ron Brown and about 30 other people crashed in Bosnia.

Glen

mncarpenter · 07-08-2011, 04:24 AM

I'm hoping someone is conducting a long, slow investigation, that will make a nice little October surprise in 2012. If there was solid evidence, it would be nice to have on hand to possibly oust the chief impersonator if he does get re-elected. Always nice to have back-up.

hogger129 · 07-08-2011, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mncarpenter

I'm hoping someone is conducting a long, slow investigation, that will make a nice little October surprise in 2012. If there was solid evidence, it would be nice to have on hand to possibly oust the chief impersonator if he does get re-elected. Always nice to have back-up.

Same here. I'd like to see them drop the story right smack dab in the middle of the election and destroy Obama.

Trouble is if they go impeaching him, then we're stuck with Biden who has publicly made his disdain for gun owners clear.

Although I am afraid of getting stuck with Mitt Romney too.

hogger129 · 07-08-2011, 09:24 AM

If they start saying anything that could hurt Obama, they'll disappear, or something will happen to them, like a car accident, heart attack, or they'll die under strange circumstances.

This is political dynamite if they can tie this to Obama.

Maybe it's time to re-install that White House taping system that Nixon and LBJ used to have.

Teejay9 · 07-08-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cycloneman

hahahahahah

tj i was wondering how a troll could have made it here for so long with all those post.

No troll, here, like the company too much. As for my silly little post, what's life with out a laugh or two? TJ

ofitg · 07-08-2011, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack404

when this fiorst came out i looked at your government process its all there online to see, a operation like that with the resources it used could NOT HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT THE AG's APPROVAL and sign off on the resources

this is NOT a COUPLE OF ROUGE AGENTS , this is high end corruption to bring your nation into disrepute and for them to have a reason to ban guns

socialism at its finest

Interview with captured Zeta druglord Rejon Aguilar -

Rejón Aguilar: They are bought in the U.S. The buyers (on the U.S. side of the border) have said in the past that sometimes from they would acquire them from the U.S. Government itself.

http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/08/ca...self%E2%80%9D/

Zhurh · 07-08-2011, 10:15 PM

I read today that ATF & DOJ people involved have said to Issa that gun walker information did cross Obama's desk and the proof is in the hands of the congressional investigation. Big news coming out nx week. Big "O" envisioned using gunwalker to make an attack on 2nd amendment rights by deploying an emergency order of some sort. This is only going to keep getting better folks. I was reading Stars & Stripes day to day during Watergate; I just don't remember people being killed during Watergate.

graehaven · 07-09-2011, 09:19 AM

The Bill of Rights will be completely wiped out in our lifetime, perhaps in the next few years.

Get ready NOW.

There is no turning this back. It IS coming and it will be very bad.

The elections are NOT our salvation. We can NO longer do anything politically within the BROKEN system. It's their game, they run it, and we keep (blindly) playing it.

It's done. The cake is baked. It's over.

Now, it's just a matter of time to prepare. PREPARE NOW, I beg you.

07-02-2011, 10:36 AM	#1
chubcobear V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Central Arkansas Posts: 132	Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/21/is...-atf-director/ Issa gets closer to the mark? How high can he go? __________________ There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress. - Mark Twain "....life isn't fair. The central threat to freedom comes from those think they can use politics to make it so. " --Bradley Gitz -->

07-02-2011, 10:57 AM	#2
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director when obozo and crew jump in the save Holder and make him look a great guy , you'll know

07-02-2011, 12:26 PM	#4
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,254	Re: Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...whistleblower/ Vince Cefalu told Fox News in an interview yesterday that he was being terminated for his "Whistle Blowing" on Project Gunrunner. In the interview he was asked if he thought Eric Holder knew about this Project. His response was, "He is the man in charge, if he didn't know about it, then why not"? __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

07-03-2011, 12:16 AM	#7
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director Then Holder can point at his boss. __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<

07-03-2011, 07:24 AM	#8
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,254	Re: Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director Wouldn't that be great to find that Obozo was in charge of this screw up! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

07-03-2011, 09:01 PM	#9
Hatch Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 287	Re: Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director Hey, you guys have it easy!!! These are just guns that our F*d up Justice Dept under Idiot Holder let walk, here in the less-than-great state of Kommiefornia we're trying to figure out how to spring 36-44,000 inmates to comply with SCOTUS ruling. The CA prison workers union wont allow inmates to be moved outside of CA to states that have capacity because that would be loss of their prospective GAIN in UNION JOBS. They have ridiculous demands while the rest of their legal arm, the Democratic Thuggery Dept passes law after law giving the inmates more rights than the victims or the officers keeping the animals in the cages! Seriously... it's time for the rest of the states to wake up and look at what exactly CA is doing (WRONG)... just like the revolution against eminent domain following Kelo vs New London, it's time for ALL STATES to look VERY CLOSELY at whats happening here RIGHT NOW and take the necessary steps to protect themselves today BEFORE IT HAPPENS TO YOU TOO!

07-06-2011, 10:36 AM	#10
chubcobear V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Central Arkansas Posts: 132	Re: Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director Aye, Hatch, you see the real power in California, and it ain't the people. It is, as you say, the public sector unions. They control the legislature and therefore they control California. GOP can only stop tax hikes and ballot measures. Democrats/public sector unions/private sector unions rule. If that type of power goes Federal, we are all screwed. Upon retirement, we fled California to escape that fiscal/political insanity that rules CA. So far there is a bit of state sanity where we now live. Good luck to you in California. May the people get the rule back soon. __________________ There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress. - Mark Twain "....life isn't fair. The central threat to freedom comes from those think they can use politics to make it so. " --Bradley Gitz

07-06-2011, 08:14 PM	#12
Teejay9 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Southwest Corner of the US, "Where no stinking fence will stop us!!" Posts: 1,257	Re: Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director Alright, enough with the Holder bashing. This man has an Ivy league Degree in something (Poly Sci?) and you have to admit, it was a brilliant idea. Let the cartels buy all the heavy artillery from the US and we watch to see how it's distributed and used for what purposes. What's wrong with that idea? What could possibly go wrong? You blame the US gundealers for selling the arms, and you catch all kinds of bad guys. Now, if only that plan worked, it would be collosal. (Note to all who want to flame me. This is my best sarcasm and I hope you got it. This is OUR government in action. Lame brains with stupid ideas. Get the troops back and let them fight the real war on our borders. TJ) __________________ A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have". Thomas Jefferson

07-06-2011, 08:37 PM	#13
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,401	Re: Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director hahahahahah tj i was wondering how a troll could have made it here for so long with all those post. __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

07-07-2011, 05:13 PM	#15
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director Justice Department Obstructing 'Fast and Furious' Gun Probe, ATF Director Says By William Lajeunesse Published July 06, 2011 \| FoxNews.com I didn't post the story because the vid is better in my opinion. __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<< Last edited by Marlin T; 07-07-2011 at 05:15 PM..

07-07-2011, 07:10 PM	#16
Zhurh Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Upper Yukon, Alaska Posts: 1,818	Re: Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director You all remember Ron Brown, the guy that said he wasn't going down himself with the slickster? He ended up with a bullet in the head in a plane crash over near Serbia or somewheres. Me thinks they'll treat Holder in the same manner. I read today that the ATF director is singing like a canary. This is just getting started folks and the media ignores it's duty to report once again.

07-07-2011, 07:51 PM	#17
sliclee V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Miami Beach Florida Posts: 65	Re: Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director There were 9 men in that plane besides the two pilots, all 9 had holes in the back of their heads, the pilots were not found.

07-08-2011, 04:24 AM	#19
mncarpenter V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Minnesota Contributor Posts: 479	Re: Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director I'm hoping someone is conducting a long, slow investigation, that will make a nice little October surprise in 2012. If there was solid evidence, it would be nice to have on hand to possibly oust the chief impersonator if he does get re-elected. Always nice to have back-up. __________________ *"No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is as formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women."- Ronald Reagan* *"Remember to have your democrats neutered or spayed" -Ann Coulter*

07-08-2011, 09:24 AM	#21
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,064	Re: Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director If they start saying anything that could hurt Obama, they'll disappear, or something will happen to them, like a car accident, heart attack, or they'll die under strange circumstances. This is political dynamite if they can tie this to Obama. Maybe it's time to re-install that White House taping system that Nixon and LBJ used to have. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can." Last edited by hogger129; 07-08-2011 at 09:30 AM..

07-08-2011, 10:15 PM	#24
Zhurh Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Upper Yukon, Alaska Posts: 1,818	Re: Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director I read today that ATF & DOJ people involved have said to Issa that gun walker information did cross Obama's desk and the proof is in the hands of the congressional investigation. Big news coming out nx week. Big "O" envisioned using gunwalker to make an attack on 2nd amendment rights by deploying an emergency order of some sort. This is only going to keep getting better folks. I was reading Stars & Stripes day to day during Watergate; I just don't remember people being killed during Watergate.

07-09-2011, 09:19 AM	#25
graehaven Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,853	Re: Gunrunner points higher than ATF Director The Bill of Rights will be completely wiped out in our lifetime, perhaps in the next few years. Get ready NOW. There is no turning this back. It IS coming and it will be very bad. The elections are NOT our salvation. We can NO longer do anything politically within the BROKEN system. It's their game, they run it, and we keep (blindly) playing it. It's done. The cake is baked. It's over. Now, it's just a matter of time to prepare. PREPARE NOW, I beg you. __________________ The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." - Thomas Jefferson RESISTANCE IS FEUDAL... PREPARE TO SERVE.