Our way of life is ending

[RedHawk]

You dont have to be a genius , look around , hell , look right here in the forum , 2nd amendment rights taken away, 4th amendment rights taken away , listen we are in a crisis in this country , our economy is shot , this boob in the black house has dismantled our economy , our infrastructure , its crumbling , it harkens the last days of the roman empire!!

Is there something we can all do? Stock up now I say , but aside from that , stand up and voice whats right , you think the democrats arent doing that?

Remember when the Crips cried the CIA was funding there dope operations back in the 80's? It wasnt fiction , just as this government is funding roguish thugs all across america with firearms . Read Drudge or watch Fox and you'll see every large city has raging youths in the streets uncontrollable violence , all of them toting guns ? you think its just coincidence? Philly, St.louis, Chicago, NYC etc? It might have been coincidence before "fast & Furious" , but as you can now see that wasnt just a novel , that was real , our government , Our president (who claims to have no knowledge),our attorney general instituted this plan on purpose , and to some degree it has worked!
Even though the scandal came out some of the damage had already occurred .the liberal media promoted it , not one media outlet came out and denied the fact that this occurred!! No one said the government did this!!

Yes folks the time is grave action needs to happen , be ready , be willing and step up to the plate , do it now , things will not happen!

[hogger129]

You know I look back on some of these 'government reports' of events that have happened in the past and I don't know how anybody believes it.

Like those surrounding Dallas, Watergate or Iran-Contra.

Or Ruby Ridge, where the ATF went after this guy because they got him to saw off a shotgun for an undercover ATF agent. He wouldn't inform on his buddies for the gov't, so they killed him.

Then you got Waco. 13 bulletholes going into the door from the outside - and surprisingly that door has never been found. Clinton's Delta Force boys dressed up as FBI agents shot CS gas into the compound and then they burned the place down - killing 86 men, women and children. Funny how they had to cut all communications before it all took place too. The leader of those people even invited the gov't down there to check out the supposed "illegal" weapons they were stockpiling.

Or how all the cameras showing the OKC thing all went out minutes before McVeigh supposedly drove that truck into the building. I find it funny how all the cameras were changed at exactly the same time. Hey we've heard that story before haven't we? Remember 9/11 and how the cameras all showing the Pentagon were being changed at the same time?

I'm not claiming these things are conspiracies, I just want to know the truth rather than being told "national security" or it being covered up for some stupid reason. I think we all have a right to know.

We aren't even allowed to know what happened to Kennedy until 2029 and even then the final ARRB documents may be pushed back. And when they come out I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they are also a lie to cover up something.

Remember when the Crips cried the CIA was funding there dope operations back in the 80's? It wasnt fiction , just as this government is funding roguish thugs all across america with firearms.

There was an investigative journalist named Gary Webb who a few years ago started to publish some documents linking the CIA and the White House to the crack epidemic out there in LA through this guy named Danilo Blandon who was like an intermediary between the Contras and the CIA/White House. This guy Rick Ross who was THE top crack dealer out there for a long time got all of his stuff from this guy Blandon. That's how the CIA was funding the Contras. With drugs. Just like they funded the Laotian tribesmen with heroin money. Funny enough, Ross said that Webb was "getting the blues" because he thought the government was following him around. And then he ended up with two gunshots in his head ruled a 'suicide.' Idk how you shoot yourself in the head, and then get up and do it again.

[carver]

I don't know what everyone else is doing, but I'm out standing on a street corner every Firday, holding signs that warn the passers buy that NOW is the time to step up! I am involved in the Tea Party, and take advantage of as many opportunities as possibile to visit, email, call, and write to my elected officials. We need prayer warriers down on their knees, 24/7! I am also stocking up on those things I think I will need, such as food, etc.

[Zhurh]

It's going to get real bad nx year and take a few years (once big"O" is outta power) but the US isn't going to dry up and blow away.

Historically, there have been currency collapses in our Nation a few times before and we're nowheres near as bad as it was early in The Great Depression.

In the end as long as we preserve out constitutional form of govt, which has been on the ropes also in our past history; we will survive as a people.

We are a single people too, unlike Russia that was made up of ethnic diversity.

It's up to every single family to prepare for hard times in order to survive until times get better as they always do with time.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by Zhurh

It's going to get real bad nx year and take a few years (once big"O" is outta power) but the US isn't going to dry up and blow away.

Historically, there have been currency collapses in our Nation a few times before and we're nowheres near as bad as it was early in The Great Depression.

In the end as long as we preserve out constitutional form of govt, which has been on the ropes also in our past history; we will survive as a people.

We are a single people too, unlike Russia that was made up of ethnic diversity.

It's up to every single family to prepare for hard times in order to survive until times get better as they always do with time.

Alot of truth in what you say. What worries me a little is my health and not being able to go get whatever it is I need. I have to have faith that god will help me and pick up the slack where I leave off. Years ago, I would have been pretty comfortable getting dropped off anywhere in the country and surviving without a problem. Not so much anymore. But, I still have alot left in me. I certainly wont crumble under pressure. And, even though I quit hunting over 10 yrs ago, I havent forgotten how to skin out my food and set traps and so forth if need be. I feel for those who have never done anything outside of playing video games and adjusting their thermostats. It will be a hard road to hoe. I could survive off of the alligator population if I had to. Plenty of squirels and birds around too. I can install a hand pump on my well.

[Caneman]

soon the takers will outnumber the makers, then it will start to unravel

[graehaven]

Originally Posted by Zhurh

It's going to get real bad nx year and take a few years (once big"O" is outta power) but the US isn't going to dry up and blow away.

No, but its resources and its people will be seized and enslaved unlike anything you've ever seen in history. Learn history, see what has happened many times the world over, and you will see where we are headed. America will never be the great nation or the free nation it once was.

Originally Posted by Zhurh

Historically, there have been currency collapses in our Nation a few times before and we're nowheres near as bad as it was early in The Great Depression.

Wrong. There has been a currency collapse before, but not like this. At that time there was still gold and silver assets backing the currency. NOW, there is none. It's all fraud. Back then, we did not have the debt we have now. TODAY, our debt is exponentially higher than it was during previous bad points in our history. Right now, there is HIGHER unemployment than during the great depression. Right now home values are LOWER than during the great depression. SOON, inflation will be HIGHER than at ANY point in our history. Do some research, the info is out there.

Originally Posted by Zhurh

In the end as long as we preserve out constitutional form of govt, which has been on the ropes also in our past history; we will survive as a people.

Our constitutional form of government has been dead for decades, and our Supreme Court won't stop either of the other two branches from their corruption and fraud. We will NOT survive as a people.

Originally Posted by Zhurh

We are a single people too, unlike Russia that was made up of ethnic diversity.

We are NOT a single people. We are so fractured it's not even funny. There are so many ethnic groups vying for superiority in society that it's ridiculous. There is a whole subclass of people, as many as 47 percent of the population, that are on the public dole. They are AGAINST any of us that want smaller government, less spending, and no handouts. In many ways, we will be WORSE off than Russia.

Originally Posted by Zhurh

It's up to every single family to prepare for hard times in order to survive until times get better as they always do with time.

Better times are a LOOOOOOOONG way off for most people, the few that will survive. I suspect we will see eventual civil war and mass death on a scale unparalleled in human history. The fall of this nation will be great.

And I weep for my children.

[RunningOnMT]

I have always considered myself a patriot, believing that God had blessed this nation and guided it's founding. I have fought for this country because of this belief. I suppose feeling this way is a necessary emotion in order for one to face death willingly.

Only recently have I begun to realize that this fervant love of country is akin to idol worship. Nothing in existence is worthy of such love and adoration but God. Neither the land itself nor those in power are worthy of such loyalty; only those principles and ideals inspired by Him.

American exceptionalism, is a myth. We are only as good as our deeds. Yes we've had exceptional moments in our history. But we have also had our moments of shame. From the time of the pilgrims we have taken what wasn't ours and exploited the land and the land of others for our own benefit.

Where was the belief in the rights of man enumerated in our declaration of independence and constitution when we were slaughtering indians, pushing them off their lands, and confining them on tiny parcels of the place where they once roamed freely?

What happened to the belief that all men are created equal and endowed by God with the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, when we were importing slaves, exploiting their labor, and treating them like animals to be bought and sold at will?

Where is the reverence for life when we allow the murder of tens of thousands of babies every year? Can God bless such an evil people?

Yes we are going down. It's been a long time coming but yet not a spec in all of human history. We have not only lost our moral compass, we have smashed it to pieces. We have placed those in power who did not embrace those God inspired ideals but rather adopted foreign ideologies and socialism.

World events lead me to the conviction that this worlds time will soon come to an end. Everything seems to be falling in place as the Bible foretold and I am seriously watching for the one who will lead not only America, but the entire world, to it's destruction.

However I am not going to become a survivalist. I wouldn't want to live in the society to come. I will prepare just enough to allow me to go down fighting.

Just my thoughts lately.

[Zhurh]

Gravhaven, I'll disagree rather than argue the points, ha. Back in early 90's, I thought alot like you do now; moved to Alaska over it all from back east not all that far from you. Living here, I see another perspective, probably because of my less dependent lifestyle, less govt control, and just all the freedom I experience everywhere I cast my eyes.

There will always be rich & poor, winners & losers, and successful entrepreneurs & the dependent class waiting on handouts in our Country. The political pendulum swings back and forth and the problems correct. I went off the deep end in early 90's and realize how goofy it was. All I can do is live my life, raise my family, and prepare for bad times that will probably come. But ya know, our lives are pretty good in this country and I'm quite happy and satisfied with life in general. I'm a vet, saw how bad other people have it around the world, know life is good here. Now they might try to raise my taxes, and they might get kicked out of office over it too; but I'll still be here thriving away.

Salmon are 2 weeks downriver, taters flowering away (planted 350 lb of seed), reloading up 6.8 as caribou will be here pretty quick, and the summers off are right on time. You don't want to get so negative that it works against you. Life is what you make of it.

[Double D]

We are not promised tommorow. The bible says that "life is but a vapor, here today and gone tommorow." I recall a scripture where a man was stacking his silos full of corn, preparing for next year, and it ends up he dies. I would never say dont prepare, but worry never gets us anywhere. Prepare, pray, do all you can to do what is right, work hard, try to pick the best people for leadership and take care of your family and have faith. Not much more you can do. But never give up. Keep on going and try to enjoy the good times.

[RedHawk]

@Hogger , Ricky Ross goes by the name Freeway Ricky , he was the fall guy for the government!

[barrucuda]

i don't believe in wasting talk on politics or conspiracies or how the world may end. i renew my NRA membership, try to pick the lesser evil on election day, maybe right a letter to my local rep if i got a concern but most of all i try to live life as best as i can,hard work and determination, like an AMERICAN. the only other thing i do to help ensure my freedom and God given right to protect my family and self is i often invite people who don't know anything about guns to the range and try to educate them on how to use em and why to have em. making friends and influencing people by way of humble fun and education wile still respecting there believes even if there different. ive turned a couple of anti gun people to gun tolerant. they still dont like guns but at least realize that in the hands of honest people they serve a purpose. as to our economy, im willing to do the jobs that the popular news says are only fit for illegal aliens. some dollars are better than no dollars. i aint ritch but im happy.

[Hatch]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

However I am not going to become a survivalist. I wouldn't want to live in the society to come. I will prepare just enough to allow me to go down fighting.

Just my thoughts lately.

I can respect that, I would like to have you with us if/when it comes to that, but you must make the decisions you feel best for yourself and your family.

I will never surrender our nation to "them" under any pretense, false flag or fabricated doctrine.

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"Japan would never invade the United States. We would find a rifle behind every blade of grass." Isoroku Yamamoto
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******* right... Attacking Country may have changed but "we" are still here... come find out. I dare you.

[Hatch]

Originally Posted by graehaven

No, but its resources and its people will be seized and enslaved unlike anything you've ever seen in history. Learn history, see what has happened many times the world over, and you will see where we are headed. America will never be the great nation or the free nation it once was.



Wrong. There has been a currency collapse before, but not like this. At that time there was still gold and silver assets backing the currency. NOW, there is none. It's all fraud. Back then, we did not have the debt we have now. TODAY, our debt is exponentially higher than it was during previous bad points in our history. Right now, there is HIGHER unemployment than during the great depression. Right now home values are LOWER than during the great depression. SOON, inflation will be HIGHER than at ANY point in our history. Do some research, the info is out there.



Our constitutional form of government has been dead for decades, and our Supreme Court won't stop either of the other two branches from their corruption and fraud. We will NOT survive as a people.



We are NOT a single people. We are so fractured it's not even funny. There are so many ethnic groups vying for superiority in society that it's ridiculous. There is a whole subclass of people, as many as 47 percent of the population, that are on the public dole. They are AGAINST any of us that want smaller government, less spending, and no handouts. In many ways, we will be WORSE off than Russia.



Better times are a LOOOOOOOONG way off for most people, the few that will survive. I suspect we will see eventual civil war and mass death on a scale unparalleled in human history. The fall of this nation will be great.

And I weep for my children.

I agree, 100% on point on every issue. It's not "new". Teddy Roosevelt said people shouldn't identify themselves as "hyphen"-Americans...

You're not a black American
You're not a brown American
You're not yellow, polka dotted, striped, day glow green or any other bull****

You're either AMERICAN, 100% and respect what this country is all about and WHY other people from FOREIGN LANDS SPEND SO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT trying to get here, or you're simply an idiot that wants a hand out.

[jack404]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

However I am not going to become a survivalist. I wouldn't want to live in the society to come. I will prepare just enough to allow me to go down fighting.

Just my thoughts lately.

i've set my obligations a bit further down the track , leaving the fixings and knowledge to make build use and implement a resistance

but yeah i figure i'll be a big enough target when the time comes so wont be so disimilar , thats ok

as long as what we start carries on

May The Good Lord Bless us all

[RedHawk]

you're simply an idiot that wants a hand out.

Pretty much sums it up for about 52% of the American population

[ofitg]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

American exceptionalism, is a myth. We are only as good as our deeds. Yes we've had exceptional moments in our history. But we have also had our moments of shame. From the time of the pilgrims we have taken what wasn't ours and exploited the land and the land of others for our own benefit.

ROMT, you raise some good points. I think slavery was a moral dilemma from the beginning, and the country's founders were aware of it even as they declared independence and wrote the Constitution. Regarding the American Indians, there had been sporadic conflicts from the time European settlers arrived.

The society established by the founders was something new in the world, an experiment, and the founders believed that their ideals would eventually resolve such moral issues. In some ways, I think we have made progress, but in other ways we have clearly failed.

The situation seemed fairly stable as long as the founders were alive, but things started changing rapidly by the mid-1800s. We fought with Mexico and "bought" their northern possessions in the 1840s. The U.S. Army was engaged in operations against American Indians continuously from 1849-1900. Then there was the War Between the States. It ended the institution of slavery, but it also established that while territories could voluntarily join the United States, they could not voluntarily leave. What a "marriage".

The country's founders knew what it was like to be under the thumb of a super-power - they envisioned the United States as politically isolationist, not getting involved with international power games, just prospering peacefully and serving as an example to other countries.... pretty much the same model that Switzerland followed for more than a century.
That ideal was abandoned by the 1890s, when we fought the Spaniards and seized their colonies. We wanted to be a super-power too.

Well, anyway, Happy 4th of July! I hope that people will think about the country's origins, and perhaps even contemplate how resurrecting some of the Founders' ideals would benefit our society.

[RunningOnMT]

Originally Posted by ofitg

ROMT, you raise some good points. I think slavery was a moral dilemma from the beginning, and the country's founders were aware of it even as they declared independence and wrote the Constitution. Regarding the American Indians, there had been sporadic conflicts from the time European settlers arrived.

The society established by the founders was something new in the world, an experiment, and the founders believed that their ideals would eventually resolve such moral issues. In some ways, I think we have made progress, but in other ways we have clearly failed.

The situation seemed fairly stable as long as the founders were alive, but things started changing rapidly by the mid-1800s. We fought with Mexico and "bought" their northern possessions in the 1840s. The U.S. Army was engaged in operations against American Indians continuously from 1849-1900. Then there was the War Between the States. It ended the institution of slavery, but it also established that while territories could voluntarily join the United States, they could not voluntarily leave. What a "marriage".

The country's founders knew what it was like to be under the thumb of a super-power - they envisioned the United States as politically isolationist, not getting involved with international power games, just prospering peacefully and serving as an example to other countries.... pretty much the same model that Switzerland followed for more than a century.
That ideal was abandoned by the 1890s, when we fought the Spaniards and seized their colonies. We wanted to be a super-power too.

Well, anyway, Happy 4th of July! I hope that people will think about the country's origins, and perhaps even contemplate how resurrecting some of the Founders' ideals would benefit our society.

Amen!

[wyoredot]

Begin forwarded message:to vote in 2012!!!

SCARRRRRY, be sure to read the obituary at the end very interesting.


DR. WILLIAMS predicts that Obama can not lose the 2012 election.


IN ADDITION TO THE VOTING BLOCKS HE MENTIONS, THERE IS ANOTHER HUGE GROUP: THE NEARLY ONE-HALF OF ALL ADULTS DO NOT PAY ANY TAXES AND, IN FACT, MOST OF THEM RECEIVE MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT. THESE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO "SHAKE THE BOAT" TO DO ANYTHING TO STOP THE FLOW OF TAXPAYER MONEY TO THEMSELVES.


Dr. Williams prediction: Maybe you have read some newspaper articles written by Dr. Williams a conservative economist who happens to be Black. He has taught at several Universities and is currently teaching at George Mason University .







No Matter What


By Dr. Walter Williams

Can President Obama be defeated in 2012? No. He can't. I am going on record as saying that President Barak Obama will win a second term.

The media won't tell you this because a good election campaign means hundreds of millions (or in Obama's case billions) of dollars to them in advertising.

But the truth is, there simply are no conditions under which Barak Obama can be defeated in 2012.
The quality of the Republican candidate doesn't matter. Obama gets reelected. Nine percent unemployment? No problem. Obama will win. Gas prices moving toward five dollars a gallon? He still wins. The economy soars or goes into the gutter. Obama wins. War in the Middle East ? He wins a second term.

America's role as the leading Superpower disappears? Hurrah for Barak Obama! The U.S. government rushes toward bankruptcy, the dollar continues to sink on world markets and the price of daily goods and services soars due to inflation fueled by Obama's extraordinary deficit spending? Obama wins handily.

You are crazy Williams. Don't you understand how volatile politics can be when overall economic, government, and world conditions are declining? Sure I do.

And that's why I know Obama will win. The American people are notoriously ignorant of economics. And economics is the key to why Obama should be defeated.

Even when Obama's policies lead the nation to final ruin, the majority of the American people are going to believe the bait-and-switch tactics Obama and his supporters in the media will use to explain why it isn't his fault. After all, things were much worse than understood when he took office.

Obama's reelection is really a very, very simple math problem. Consider the following:

1) Blacks will vote for Obama blindly. Period. Doesn't matter what he does. It's a race thing. He's one of us,

2) College educated women will vote for Obama. Though they will be offended by this, they swoon at his oratory. It's really not more complex than that,
3) Liberals will vote for Obama. He is their great hope,
4) Democrats will vote for Obama. He is the leader of their party and his coat tails will carry them to victory nationwide,
5) Hispanics will vote for Obama. He is the path to citizenship for those who are illegal and Hispanic leaders recognize the political clout they carry in the Democratic Party,
6) Union members will vote overwhelmingly for Obama. He is their key to money and power in business, state and local politics,
7) Big Business will support Obama. They already have. He has almost $1 Billion dollars in his reelection purse gained largely from his connections with Big Business and is gaining more everyday. Big Business loves Obama because he gives them access to taxpayer money so long as they support his social and political agenda,
8) The media love him. They may attack the people who work for him, but they love him. After all, to not love him would be racist,
9) Most other minorities and special interest groups will vote for him. Oddly, the overwhelming majority of Jews and Muslims will support him because they won't vote Republican. American Indians will support him. Obviously homosexuals tend to vote Democratic. And lastly,

10) Approximately half of independents will vote for Obama. And he doesn't need anywhere near that number because he has all of the groups previously mentioned. The President will win an overwhelming victory in 2012.

-- Dr. Walter Williams




Obituary-Very Interesting!

well I didn't get it all, but some interesting reading this is. I hope I get to meet you guys someday, but I hope it is under circumstances of our choosing...

[cycloneman]

Only one way for bummer to win and that is of the devil's doing, period.

Dr williams is smoking crack.

4 more years and there will be war, no doubt. Welcom to the jungle, we got fun and games.

[Zhurh]

Does everybody think the economy is on the verge of turning around? That's what will call the election.

I do believe the country will fracture and have some violent unpleasant times ahead if big "O" gets 4 more. Ain't in the cards.

[cycloneman]

Everyone needs to see this. I dont care who you are, or what you say this is going to be a big problem. If this ahole gets another 4 years you better learn how to grow vegies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNS8IY_Td14

[Double D]

His a$$ is outa there in 12!!

[Gun Geezer]

On this evenings news, the reporter stopped people in the capitol city of Springfield, Illinois and asked them,what country we revolted against, what year independence was declared, what the national anthem was and who was the sixteenth president of the US. Most of them answered wrong! We are so screwed!

[cycloneman]

I been thinking more about this dr william dude.

1. 3/4 of the country is not happy with this wide swing to the left. I am not making that up.

2. I think the handwritting is on the wall for bummer. I also agree he is outta there.

3. Lets just supose for the heck of it that even with all of the criminal activity, and the socialist agenda that he does manage to get re elected. Ok now what? I will tell you if he is re elected this go around then that means NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE but a dem will ever be pres again. Think about that for a while.