Birth certificate issues remain - The Firearms Forum

reflex1 · 07-06-2011, 09:45 PM

Interesting facts from a "birther"! Received this from a friend this afternoon in an email!

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This came to me from a hard core Birther: (I'm only the messenger here)

"I will tell you right now that I had never given this "birther" issue any credit. I watched the hype and the crazies come out. I completely dismissed the entire ordeal altogether. In fact, it was not until the White House released the birth certificate that it had gained my attention.

I am the studious sort of guy, and I have plenty of time on my hands. So, I took a close look at this document. While I would have thought that this issue would have been closed for good (and, got the crazies to crawl back into their holes), I found two extremely strange inconsistencies that merit some attention.

First of all, the birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya, East Africa". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate". But, this is not the only thing that I found that just does not jive.

The other item that I looked into was the hospital that Obama was born in. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital". This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "Kaui Keolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

Go ahead, look it up. I am not talking crazy talk, these are the facts. Like I said, I thought that this was a non-issue until the actual certificate was released. Now that it has been released, of course I had to look into it. I have found these issues, now I know that something is up."

"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll have to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot."

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cycloneman · 07-06-2011, 10:03 PM

welcome to the light.

forward it to everyone you know.

Claudius Valarium · 07-06-2011, 10:20 PM

It's too bad all those "investigative reporters" have turned a blind eye to all of the birther issues.

I don't consider myself a crazy, right wing nut job, but the burden of proof of the Constitutional requirement has never been met in my eyes.

permafrost · 07-07-2011, 04:10 AM

I generally shy away from all conspiracies, but there are just to many inconsistencies in this man's resume'. I have come to believe he has indeed been groomed from the git-go for this attempt at one world order. Took me a while to get here, as I'm generally skeptical about these sort of things. My intelligence has been insulted enough now, though.

Woodnut · 07-07-2011, 04:46 AM

I have always thought he was not a citizen, even after the birth certificate was released. Of coarse I did not have the time to research it, so I am very glad someone else took the time to do so. I believe every word you say, I feel it in my bones, he is illegal, and should be taken out of office. But I don't think the Vice is capable of running the country any better. What are we as citizens supposed to do?

sliclee · 07-07-2011, 11:58 AM

A citizen? You speak about him not being a citizen, HE IS NOT AN AMERICAN!

Bobitis · 07-07-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sliclee

A citizen? You speak about him not being a citizen, HE IS NOT AN AMERICAN!

Welcome to TFF sliclee.

Your comment is well made.

Being a citizen has no bearing on being an American.

bamajoey · 07-07-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodnut

I have always thought he was not a citizen, even after the birth certificate was released. Of coarse I did not have the time to research it, so I am very glad someone else took the time to do so. I believe every word you say, I feel it in my bones, he is illegal, and should be taken out of office. But I don't think the Vice is capable of running the country any better. What are we as citizens supposed to do?

Biden become president, NO WAY. "Walter the Puppet" Biden couldn't find his butt with both hands, much less run this country.

gdmoody · 07-07-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bamajoey

Biden become president, NO WAY. "Walter the Puppet" Biden couldn't find his butt with both hands, much less run this country.

Run this country!?!?!? I don't think Biden could run a bath!!!

Double D · 07-07-2011, 03:03 PM

I am a bitter clinger right wing whatever you want to call me. The guy is not an american. Even if he was born here, he still wouldnt qualify to be an american.

armedandsafe · 07-07-2011, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bamajoey

Biden become president, NO WAY. "Walter the Puppet" Biden couldn't find his butt with both hands, much less run this country.

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Originally Posted by gdmoody

Run this country!?!?!? I don't think Biden could run a bath!!!

COULD Biden be any worse?

Pops

Marlin T · 07-07-2011, 03:25 PM

A Boston paper headline from today,

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Father spoke of having Obama adopted

US immigration files from ’61 reveal Kenyan student’s plan

cycloneman · 07-07-2011, 03:32 PM

why is it we are learning about this 3 years later??????????????//

why couldn't she have had a miscarrage or an abortion, libs dont care about killing babies. would have saved us alot of misery. that *****

hogger129 · 07-07-2011, 03:36 PM

Some conspiracy theories make sense. Others are unfounded. Like saying that the Moon Landing was faked. I don't buy it for a second.

But others, like that more than one assassin took out Kennedy have been questioned, supposedly debunked, and proven true numerous times. Well that one really makes me wonder sometimes and I find myself coming to the conclusion that he couldn't have done it alone, or that he didn't do it at all.

Then you have Barack Obama here - if that is his real name... Obviously he is living a lie. The facts are all there, the trouble is proving it. Unfortunately, we live in a country where people are afraid to admit that they've been lied to, and that the "government's official story" is actually one, giant lie. "The bigger the lie, the more people who will believe it." It makes one wonder if he simply deceived everybody, or if there's something deeper and uglier to it all.

As shown above, his story is simply unbelievable. Furthermore, he lived in Indonesia, where he would have renounced his US citizenship. That was the only way he would have been able to travel to Pakistan when he did. It also required by law that he be a Muslim - and not a convert in order to go to school there.

I don't get why if he has nothing to hide, he has spent millions fighting this in court, rather than coming to the table, answering our questions, and putting it all to rest once and for all.

If we sit here and do nothing, not even question him, then what does that say for the future? Then the next person who isn't a US-born citizen gets elected President, and everybody finds out, will they just say, "Barack Obama did it, so that makes it all okay?" It just opens up a whole new can of worms.

Having to be a US-born citizen to be President might sound silly and outdated to some people. I believe the founding fathers were very intelligent and wise beyond their years and had a reason for it- whatever it may have been - and we should stick to that.

glens67 · 07-07-2011, 10:26 PM

No Clear and legal Birth Certificate, No School History, Collage Records Sealed, and ,as Jack404 pointed out, attempted Australian emigration records covered up. This all stinks to high heaven... I would be ass-ham-ed to be a Senator that did not challenge this fiasco..
Glen

Inthewind1976 · 07-07-2011, 10:37 PM

There isnt anything outdated about the requirement that a person be born a US Citizen in order to become president. Its a requirement that is just as logical today as it was 200+ years ago. Why on earth would anyone who DOESNT have an ulterior motive want to fill the position? It pains me to consider that of ALL the talking heads in DC none have taken this matter on. Its a REQUIREMENT that the POTUS be a citizen by birth; PERIOD.

raysmithson1 · 07-07-2011, 10:47 PM

It's called misprison of felony, the congress is just that ,,, look it up....wika pedia

Bigdog57 · 07-09-2011, 07:14 AM

barrack hussein obama (non capitalization intentional, as I have utter disrespect for him), America's First Pre-fab "President"........

This guy is no more president than The Monkees were a singing group.......

reflex1 · 07-09-2011, 08:47 AM

Now wait a minute - wasn't obummer part of the monkees?

RedHawk · 07-09-2011, 08:49 AM

Like Trump said , "even I have friends I knew in elementary school that I keep in contact with on Facebook, he cant name single kid that remembers him from elementary,secondary, highschool,college, isnt that odd?"!!!
And Biden had his birth certificate on the table when he decided to run for office , Biden is an American and whether or not you like him ,he hasnt lied to the people about his existence!

Insulation Tim · 07-09-2011, 09:10 AM

I think that the real question should be, who is the person/organization behind the curtain pulling the puppet's strings? Kind of like the Wizard of Oz.

Blackshirts · 07-09-2011, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Insulation Tim

I think that the real question should be, who is the person/organization behind the curtain pulling the puppet's strings? Kind of like the Wizard of Oz.

We have a winner. A guy in office for 4-8 years versus the puppet masters who have been behind the scenes for decades... who really has the power? Reps have theirs, Dems have theirs, each tries to put their marionette on stage in hopes to lull the audience enough to milk their wallets at the concession stand.

RedHawk · 07-09-2011, 10:03 AM

Very true Blackshirts , except everyone in the past had accurate information regarding there past , even had childhood friends , this bum doesnt have any of that , and the puppet masters arent even known , I suspect some of his masters are coming out of Yemen and Paki stan

carver · 07-09-2011, 11:13 AM

There is more going on than most of us know. I could have produced a fake birth certificate that was at least as good as the last one Obozo produced. They knew we would pick it apart, and discover that it was fake. When he first stepped into the ring as a presidential candidate, we all knew he was a fake. What bothers me is that NOT one single Republican on the hill has questioned his eligibility for the highest office in our Country, publically! Why is that? If we all know he is a fake, and a lier, so do those that run our Country! Why aren't they doing anything about it? It's not just the Demoncats in on this, but every one that has a hand in running our Country! It's time they all go! And I mean GO TO JAIL!

Blackshirts · 07-09-2011, 01:23 PM

Nah it's no Yemen/Pakistan. It's entrenched American democrats. Otherwise it would have to have been some Yemen guys sweeping the power away from the Dem masters from their own party. They wouldn't allow that.

07-06-2011, 09:45 PM	#1
reflex1 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Arkansas Contributor Posts: 464	Birth certificate issues remain Interesting facts from a "birther"! Received this from a friend this afternoon in an email! QUOTE This came to me from a hard core Birther: (I'm only the messenger here) "I will tell you right now that I had never given this "birther" issue any credit. I watched the hype and the crazies come out. I completely dismissed the entire ordeal altogether. In fact, it was not until the White House released the birth certificate that it had gained my attention. I am the studious sort of guy, and I have plenty of time on my hands. So, I took a close look at this document. While I would have thought that this issue would have been closed for good (and, got the crazies to crawl back into their holes), I found two extremely strange inconsistencies that merit some attention. First of all, the birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya, East Africa". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate". But, this is not the only thing that I found that just does not jive. The other item that I looked into was the hospital that Obama was born in. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital". This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "Kaui Keolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978? Go ahead, look it up. I am not talking crazy talk, these are the facts. Like I said, I thought that this was a non-issue until the actual certificate was released. Now that it has been released, of course I had to look into it. I have found these issues, now I know that something is up." "If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll have to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot." UNQUOTE -->

07-06-2011, 10:03 PM	#2
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,402	Re: Birth certificate issues remain welcome to the light. forward it to everyone you know. __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

07-06-2011, 10:20 PM	#3
Claudius Valarium V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: South Central Texas, AKA the Middle of Flyover Country Posts: 459	Re: Birth certificate issues remain It's too bad all those "investigative reporters" have turned a blind eye to all of the birther issues. I don't consider myself a crazy, right wing nut job, but the burden of proof of the Constitutional requirement has never been met in my eyes. __________________ CV "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." Patrick Henry, 1788

07-07-2011, 04:10 AM	#4
permafrost Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oklahoma, USA Contributor Posts: 1,771	Re: Birth certificate issues remain I generally shy away from all conspiracies, but there are just to many inconsistencies in this man's resume'. I have come to believe he has indeed been groomed from the git-go for this attempt at one world order. Took me a while to get here, as I'm generally skeptical about these sort of things. My intelligence has been insulted enough now, though. __________________ Stand and Fight

07-07-2011, 04:46 AM	#5
Woodnut Forum Sponsor Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Diamondhead, MS Contributor Posts: 2,172	Re: Birth certificate issues remain I have always thought he was not a citizen, even after the birth certificate was released. Of coarse I did not have the time to research it, so I am very glad someone else took the time to do so. I believe every word you say, I feel it in my bones, he is illegal, and should be taken out of office. But I don't think the Vice is capable of running the country any better. What are we as citizens supposed to do? __________________ Carl Never doubt the beauty of wood. Carl’s Album www.cwgrips.com Web site Updated 01/01/2013 NRA Life Member

07-07-2011, 11:58 AM	#6
sliclee V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Miami Beach Florida Posts: 65	Re: Birth certificate issues remain A citizen? You speak about him not being a citizen, HE IS NOT AN AMERICAN!

07-07-2011, 03:03 PM	#10
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,075	Re: Birth certificate issues remain I am a bitter clinger right wing whatever you want to call me. The guy is not an american. Even if he was born here, he still wouldnt qualify to be an american. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

07-07-2011, 03:32 PM	#13
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,402	Re: Birth certificate issues remain why is it we are learning about this 3 years later??????????????// why couldn't she have had a miscarrage or an abortion, libs dont care about killing babies. would have saved us alot of misery. that ***** __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

07-07-2011, 03:36 PM	#14
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,064	Re: Birth certificate issues remain Some conspiracy theories make sense. Others are unfounded. Like saying that the Moon Landing was faked. I don't buy it for a second. But others, like that more than one assassin took out Kennedy have been questioned, supposedly debunked, and proven true numerous times. Well that one really makes me wonder sometimes and I find myself coming to the conclusion that he couldn't have done it alone, or that he didn't do it at all. Then you have Barack Obama here - if that is his real name... Obviously he is living a lie. The facts are all there, the trouble is proving it. Unfortunately, we live in a country where people are afraid to admit that they've been lied to, and that the "government's official story" is actually one, giant lie. "The bigger the lie, the more people who will believe it." It makes one wonder if he simply deceived everybody, or if there's something deeper and uglier to it all. As shown above, his story is simply unbelievable. Furthermore, he lived in Indonesia, where he would have renounced his US citizenship. That was the only way he would have been able to travel to Pakistan when he did. It also required by law that he be a Muslim - and not a convert in order to go to school there. I don't get why if he has nothing to hide, he has spent millions fighting this in court, rather than coming to the table, answering our questions, and putting it all to rest once and for all. If we sit here and do nothing, not even question him, then what does that say for the future? Then the next person who isn't a US-born citizen gets elected President, and everybody finds out, will they just say, "Barack Obama did it, so that makes it all okay?" It just opens up a whole new can of worms. Having to be a US-born citizen to be President might sound silly and outdated to some people. I believe the founding fathers were very intelligent and wise beyond their years and had a reason for it- whatever it may have been - and we should stick to that. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can." Last edited by hogger129; 07-07-2011 at 03:50 PM..

07-07-2011, 10:26 PM	#15
glens67 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Middleton, ID Contributor Posts: 951	Re: Birth certificate issues remain No Clear and legal Birth Certificate, No School History, Collage Records Sealed, and ,as Jack404 pointed out, attempted Australian emigration records covered up. This all stinks to high heaven... I would be ass-ham-ed to be a Senator that did not challenge this fiasco.. Glen

07-07-2011, 10:37 PM	#16
Inthewind1976 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Central Pennsylvania Posts: 533	Re: Birth certificate issues remain There isnt anything outdated about the requirement that a person be born a US Citizen in order to become president. Its a requirement that is just as logical today as it was 200+ years ago. Why on earth would anyone who DOESNT have an ulterior motive want to fill the position? It pains me to consider that of ALL the talking heads in DC none have taken this matter on. Its a REQUIREMENT that the POTUS be a citizen by birth; PERIOD.

07-07-2011, 10:47 PM	#17
raysmithson1 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Monterey ca. we call it paradise Posts: 63	Re: Birth certificate issues remain It's called misprison of felony, the congress is just that ,,, look it up....wika pedia Last edited by raysmithson1; 07-07-2011 at 10:53 PM.. Reason: add something

07-09-2011, 07:14 AM	#18
Bigdog57 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North Florida Posts: 104	Re: Birth certificate issues remain barrack hussein obama (non capitalization intentional, as I have utter disrespect for him), America's First Pre-fab "President"........ This guy is no more president than The Monkees were a singing group....... __________________ It's getting high time to play "Cowboys & Muslims". They will learn how Jihad can go both ways.......

07-09-2011, 08:47 AM	#19
reflex1 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central Arkansas Contributor Posts: 464	Re: Birth certificate issues remain Now wait a minute - wasn't obummer part of the monkees?

07-09-2011, 08:49 AM	#20
RedHawk Former Guest Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 177	Re: Birth certificate issues remain Like Trump said , "even I have friends I knew in elementary school that I keep in contact with on Facebook, he cant name single kid that remembers him from elementary,secondary, highschool,college, isnt that odd?"!!! And Biden had his birth certificate on the table when he decided to run for office , Biden is an American and whether or not you like him ,he hasnt lied to the people about his existence!

07-09-2011, 09:10 AM	#21
Insulation Tim Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Ohio Contributor Posts: 2,298	Re: Birth certificate issues remain I think that the real question should be, who is the person/organization behind the curtain pulling the puppet's strings? Kind of like the Wizard of Oz. __________________ Tim *"Remember the Ark was built by amateurs....Professionals built the Titanic"*

07-09-2011, 10:03 AM	#23
RedHawk Former Guest Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 177	Re: Birth certificate issues remain Very true Blackshirts , except everyone in the past had accurate information regarding there past , even had childhood friends , this bum doesnt have any of that , and the puppet masters arent even known , I suspect some of his masters are coming out of Yemen and Paki stan

07-09-2011, 11:13 AM	#24
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,262	Re: Birth certificate issues remain There is more going on than most of us know. I could have produced a fake birth certificate that was at least as good as the last one Obozo produced. They knew we would pick it apart, and discover that it was fake. When he first stepped into the ring as a presidential candidate, we all knew he was a fake. What bothers me is that *NOT* one single Republican on the hill has questioned his eligibility for the highest office in our Country, publically! Why is that? If we all know he is a fake, and a lier, so do those that run our Country! Why aren't they doing anything about it? It's not just the Demoncats in on this, but every one that has a hand in running our Country! It's time they all go! And I mean GO TO JAIL! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

07-09-2011, 01:23 PM	#25
Blackshirts Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Arizona Posts: 574	Re: Birth certificate issues remain Nah it's no Yemen/Pakistan. It's entrenched American democrats. Otherwise it would have to have been some Yemen guys sweeping the power away from the Dem masters from their own party. They wouldn't allow that.