New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) - The Firearms Forum

Marlin T · 07-26-2011, 11:01 PM

Congressman Ron Paul Introduces Legislation to Protect School Children from Mass Murderers
Tuesday, 26 July 2011 16:18

Columbine.

Virginia Tech.

Fort Hood.

What do all of these shootings have in common?

The answer is they all occurred in government facilities where the private possession of firearms was prohibited.

In Washington, unconstitutional legislation is commonplace. But sometimes unconstitutional laws can have deadly consequences. The so-called “gun free school zones act,” written by radical anti-gun Senator Heb Kohl, is one such law.

Slammed through in 1996 as an amendment to a giant last-minute must-pass appropriations bill, the legislation disarmed school staff and other adults – leaving elementary and secondary school children defenseless to serial killers.

It also made it virtually impossible to drive your car down the street with your gun inside without violating the law by creating a 1000-foot so-called “gun-free zone” around every public and private school in the country.

“Gun free,” that is, except for the criminals.

No one – including politicians, the police, or the individual citizen – can predict where the next deranged serial killer will attack. And yet politicians continue to create “criminal safe zones” such as schools, churches, parks, restaurants that serve alcohol, etc., where the law-abiding are disarmed.

The net impact of turning schools, in particular, into defenseless targets for serial killers has been dramatic.

When many people over the age of 40 were growing up, ROTC students would march up-and-down high school campuses with their semi-automatic M1’s – and no one would think anything of it. Shooting clubs on school grounds were also not uncommon.

But within a couple a years of the enactment of the Kohl amendment, two disaffected teenagers walked into Columbine High School secure in the knowledge that they would be the only ones in the school who were armed.

And, of course, Columbine triggered a slew of copycat episodes – laying a mounting string of innocent casualties at the feet of Herb Kohl and his misbegotten legislation.

It’s time to say NO to criminal safe zones. And a great place to start is the blatantly unconstitutional gun free school zones act.

Thankfully, Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) agrees and has introduced legislation to do just that.

Rep. Paul recently introduced the “Citizens Protection Act of 2011” (H.R. 2613), which will repeal the Kohl amendment and thus remove the federally created criminal safety zones.

Rep. Paul is one of the few members of Congress who respects the Constitution and who actually introduces legislation to restore federalism. And, unlike some legislators, Paul has a history of forcing the House to vote on his pro-gun proposals, thus putting other congressmen on record.

GOA is proud to stand with Rep. Paul in the effort to repeal the unconstitutional gun free zones law. For anyone who cares about liberty, now is the time to work on getting the 218 votes we need to pass this important piece of legislation.

ACTION: Contact you congressman. Urge him or her to cosponsor Ron Paul’s Citizens Protection Act of 2011, H.R. 2613.

Contact your congressman
http://capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/a...ertid=52092826

jack404 · 07-26-2011, 11:14 PM

gun free zones, making life ( and death ) easy for psycho killers

RunningOnMT · 07-26-2011, 11:38 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again, no one in congress has stood for the principles of our constitution like Ron Paul. Yeah, I guess he doesn't have the support necessary to elect him president, but if Americans who feel strongly about the constitutional republic our founders gave us were honest with themselves, they'd admit that Ron Paul would be the ideal choice.

carver · 07-27-2011, 07:21 AM

I too think Ron Paul would be a really good choice for President! However, because the GOP would not be able to control him, he won't get the nomination!

cutter · 07-27-2011, 08:08 AM

I too like Ron Paul, but as y'all have said we have to live in the real world. This is one election that I don't want to waste my vote to prove a point. It is just too impertant to get Obumer out!!!!

Haligan · 07-27-2011, 10:50 AM

OWK- "These arn't the droids your looking for"

STORMTROOPER- "These arn't the droids we're looking for"

OWK- "He can go about his buisness"

STORMTROOPER- "You can go about your buisness"

OWK- "Move along"

STORMTROOPER- "Move along.....move along."

MEDIA/TV/POLITICIANS- "Ron Paul can not win"

US POPULATION - "Ron Paul can not win"

DONALD TRUMP - "Ron Paul has zero chance of winning"

US POPULATION - "Ron Paul has zero chance of winning"

MEDIA/TV/POLITICIANS "You are wasting your vote if you don't vote for the lesser of
two evils"

ME- "NEVER AGAIN !!!!!"

RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT !!!!

How the heck do you guys ever expect anything to change if WE keep making the same damn mistakes.

And when I say "CHANGE", I mean change. Not some crapy new boss, same as the old boss crap. Go ahead disagree, this is America(kind of). Mabe it'll be different this time. Do what you want, I'm done being a sheep.

Hawg · 07-27-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Haligan

And when I say "CHANGE", I mean change. Not some crapy new boss, same as the old boss crap. Go ahead disagree, this is America(kind of). Mabe it'll be different this time. Do what you want, I'm done being a sheep.

Then stop being a sheep and back a loser if that's what you want to do. It's still a free country......At least til the next election.

lonewolf204 · 07-27-2011, 03:29 PM

It's about time that somebody opens there eyes! I would vote for Ron Paul!

graehaven · 07-27-2011, 03:49 PM

Definition of insanity – Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result.

Here, in the real world, an example....
Hey, we hate the present POTUS a democrat, so, let's vote in the republican candidate, and things will be awesome. Yaaaay! Let's do that.

The above insanity has been repeated time and time again.

Stop playing their game. They're laughing at you every time you pull the lever for the republican THEY put up for you to choose, or the democrat THEY put up for you to choose. The two party paradigm is broken. The republicans are the SAME as the democrats - they just want to destroy/control you in a nicer, quieter, friendlier fashion/facism.

Until the conservatives in this country are willing to be the LIBERTARIANS that the founders were, we will continue to experience the same folly.

You want to know why Ron Paul is so unpalatable to so many of you? Because he's so "foreign" in his thinking --- it doesn't match up to what you think a good conservative republican should be. Because he's closer to the founders than most. The founders believed in LESS government. A LOT less --- less than most could even imagine. And he's a republican. But he's really more of a conservative libertarian. Even he realizes that the party is unsaveable, which is why he's getting out after this.

If you vote for the republican in the next election, and that person wins, let's say they do. Whooooopeeeeeee! We'll have the same 'ol same 'ol in no time.

Why be opposed to someone who's "outside the box?" As far as I'm concerned, the last few decades in our present "box" sucks!

Time for a new box. Time for a new candidate. One that doesn't have a D or an R in front of their name.

I'm not "throwing away my vote" after another republican closet fascist loser.

Either be principled or not! Don't tell me I'm not principled when I'm not willing to compromise and hold my nose while I pull the lever for the less stinky republican candidate, just because he/she's not a democrat. How utterly ridiculous.

Either be principled or not!!!!

flyingtiger85 · 07-27-2011, 04:10 PM

I like alot of what Ron Paul stands for but the libertarian stance on making drugs legal is kind of goofy and not well thought out.Like liberal Amsterdam or something I think will escalate the drug problem.I voted for Ross Perot because I was sick of both parties and the same old B.S.But looking back I think maybe I was had and Perot was put in just to take the conservative vote from Bush to give us Clinton.I would be very cousious ever not to vote Republican again.Fool me once not twice.
Remember the old"The Who" rock song that sang(the party on the right is now the party on the left,we won't be fooled again)what an insight on politics now these days.

doubleclutch · 07-27-2011, 04:27 PM

It's such a shame this country will probably never see a truly Constitutional candidate.

flyingtiger85 · 07-27-2011, 04:38 PM

At least with the Tea Party out there they are thinking long and hard about what they try to pass now.I'm sure they would have ramrodded the debt ceiling through and spent even more if it didn't exist.FOOOOSURE!!!!

dad2thebone · 07-27-2011, 04:46 PM

i hafta check him out first, not sure wth hes up to . im not tossin my vote in the toilet again for anything.

graehaven · 07-28-2011, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by flyingtiger85

I like alot of what Ron Paul stands for but the libertarian stance on making drugs legal is kind of goofy and not well thought out.Like liberal Amsterdam or something I think will escalate the drug problem.I voted for Ross Perot because I was sick of both parties and the same old B.S.But looking back I think maybe I was had and Perot was put in just to take the conservative vote from Bush to give us Clinton.I would be very cousious ever not to vote Republican again.Fool me once not twice.
Remember the old"The Who" rock song that sang(the party on the right is now the party on the left,we won't be fooled again)what an insight on politics now these days.

Why is it that everyone goes to this issue, the legalization of marijuana, as the stop point for a candidate? Come on. Just because some libertarians view this as admirable, does not mean it will become law.

I'd rather have legalized marijuana, and not be in the deplorable spending/debt situation (and all the crap that comes with it) we're in with true constitutional leadership. I don't think it would be that way though even on the drug thing.

A worse compromise is electing another RINO who promises little and goes back on it all and takes us several steps further backward to boot.

Double D · 07-28-2011, 08:15 AM

Again, people are taking the issue of having obama for 4 more yrs waayyyyy to lightly. Every single time I read these posts about ron paul, I am pretty much in agreement with everything that is said. BUT, its my opinion that if we allow obama to get re-elected, nothing will matter next time around. He will have succeeded in the complete dis-assembleing of this country and it wouldnt even surprise me if he attempted sharia law on top of global gun control. You guys better realize who this guy is and what he can do in 4 more yrs. One more of his court appointments will throw the balance in his direction and the 2nd ammendment is seriously at risk.

We have the worst, anti american, terrorist loving, anti gun, liberal idiot in charge right now and not only has he spent more money than every president we have ever had combined, he has emboldened the gay community, the welfare community, all anti american orgs, the unions, and taken control of corporations and on and on and on. Four more yrs will bury us beyond recognition. I can not and I will not allow him to have that opportunity and I hope you folks will come to the same conclusion. I will put my support behind ron paul in 2016 and even campaign for him and donate the max allowed to his campaign, but I will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to get obozo out of office first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANYONE BUT OBOZO IN 2012!!!!

al45lc · 07-28-2011, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Again, people are taking the issue of having obama for 4 more yrs waayyyyy to lightly. Every single time I read these posts about ron paul, I am pretty much in agreement with everything that is said. BUT, its my opinion that if we allow obama to get re-elected, nothing will matter next time around. He will have succeeded in the complete dis-assembleing of this country and it wouldnt even surprise me if he attempted sharia law on top of global gun control. You guys better realize who this guy is and what he can do in 4 more yrs. One more of his court appointments will throw the balance in his direction and the 2nd ammendment is seriously at risk.

We have the worst, anti american, terrorist loving, anti gun, liberal idiot in charge right now and not only has he spent more money than every president we have ever had combined, he has emboldened the gay community, the welfare community, all anti american orgs, the unions, and taken control of corporations and on and on and on. Four more yrs will bury us beyond recognition. I can not and I will not allow him to have that opportunity and I hope you folks will come to the same conclusion. I will put my support behind ron paul in 2016 and even campaign for him and donate the max allowed to his campaign, but I will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to get obozo out of office first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANYONE BUT OBOZO IN 2012!!!!

You forgot 'Fascist' in your description of Obama, but the rest was spot on.

cutter · 07-28-2011, 10:17 AM

As I posted earlier WE MUST remove Obumer in next election. Vot for the person that can beat him in real world, not what you would like too see. I agree with DD! I like Ron Paul and what he has to say, and I also will help him 2016 but not now. We have to come together in this election (just as the Libs did in 09) and get him out of the way, we all know he is destroying the US and that has been his intenions all along.

Double D · 07-28-2011, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by al45lc

You forgot 'Fascist' in your description of Obama, but the rest was spot on.

There is much more I left out but hopefully made my point.

RunningOnMT · 07-28-2011, 11:26 AM

I'm kinda mixed on this. I actually support several candidates to see how far they can go but in the end will vote for whomever gets the nomination. I think Ron Paul would make the best president but I also like Michele Bachman and Rick Perry. I still haven't seen anything particularly inspiring from the others. I don't particularly like Romney but if he ges the nomination I'll even vote for him over Obama.

As to the legalizing marijuana and other substances, we've had that discussion before. As I said then I think it is a fundamental right of any adult to ingest, inject, snort, or smoke whatever he chooses. It's his/her body. I understand everyones fears of increasing drug use if legalized but I just don't think that's going to happen. Those who argue from this position are using the same logic as those who believe the legal access to firearms increases violent crime. Even if this were true it doesn't matter. It's a right.

From the practical side, legalization would bankrupt a lot of the criminal element. Goodbye Columbian cartels if people could legally obtain cocaine from licensed dealers. Goodbye also to the desperate thugs who knock old ladies over the head for the few dollars she has in her purse. Goodbye to those peddling drugs to school children in order to support their own drug habit.

Also, imagine all the people we wouldn't have to support in our overcrowded prisons, those institutions of advanced study for criminals.

And finally, if we have people who die because of what they choose to take into their bodies, look at it as natural selection and cleansing of the gene pool.

Double D · 07-28-2011, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

I'm kinda mixed on this. I actually support several candidates to see how far they can go but in the end will vote for whomever gets the nomination. I think Ron Paul would make the best president but I also like Michele Bachman and Rick Perry. I still haven't seen anything particularly inspiring from the others. I don't particularly like Romney but if he ges the nomination I'll even vote for him over Obama.

As to the legalizing marijuana and other substances, we've had that discussion before. As I said then I think it is a fundamental right of any adult to ingest, inject, snort, or smoke whatever he chooses. It's his/her body. I understand everyones fears of increasing drug use if legalized but I just don't think that's going to happen. Those who argue from this position are using the same logic as those who believe the legal access to firearms increases violent crime. Even if this were true it doesn't matter. It's a right.

From the practical side, legalization would bankrupt a lot of the criminal element. Goodbye Columbian cartels if people could legally obtain cocaine from licensed dealers. Goodbye also to the desperate thugs who knock old ladies over the head for the few dollars she has in her purse. Goodbye to those peddling drugs to school children in order to support their own drug habit.

Also, imagine all the people we wouldn't have to support in our overcrowded prisons, those institutions of advanced study for criminals.

And finally, if we have people who die because of what they choose to take into their bodies, look at it as natural selection and cleansing of the gene pool.

I dont agree that legalizing the product will eliminate the criminal element. They will still sell illegally and thugs will still rob people for money to buy the stuff. Even with "licenced dealers" you will have a black market and people who will kill and rob to maintain their habit. Only difference I see is the government would reap the rewards on taxing and fees they dont get now. Still the same adictions, thugs and problems.

Marlin T · 07-28-2011, 12:22 PM

I was thinking the other night about how they should tack this onto the debt ceiling legislation.

RunningOnMT · 07-28-2011, 01:11 PM

DoubleD, the thing is that these drugs are so easy and cheap to manufacture that the government could have licensed vendors charging so little there would be no profit to deal in them illegally. Treat it just like alcohol. I don't think there are a whole lot of moonshiners left, at least not as many as during prohibition.

graehaven · 07-28-2011, 09:11 PM

Worth the 5 and a half minutes of viewing time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=FHCkFPaePPQ

redwing carson · 07-28-2011, 10:01 PM

Wow Ron Paul has served 12 terms in DC. The Gun Free Zone has been around since 1996. Where has old Ron been? Why didn't he lead a battle on this before? Well it could be he wants the money and help from gun owners? This guy is setting on a Washington retirement program that will make him sooo rich. When will old Ron lead a fight to stop these big fat pensions?? The founding fathers didn't write that one in. The peasents follow and become more powerless.

American Leader · 07-28-2011, 10:18 PM

I like Ron Paul’s Citizens Protection Act of 2011, H.R. 2613 and am for it, but I think his son would make a better President. Right now I'm hoping Rick Perry gets in.

07-26-2011, 11:01 PM	#1
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) Congressman Ron Paul Introduces Legislation to Protect School Children from Mass Murderers Tuesday, 26 July 2011 16:18 Columbine. Virginia Tech. Fort Hood. What do all of these shootings have in common? The answer is they all occurred in government facilities where the private possession of firearms was prohibited. In Washington, unconstitutional legislation is commonplace. But sometimes unconstitutional laws can have deadly consequences. The so-called “gun free school zones act,” written by radical anti-gun Senator Heb Kohl, is one such law. Slammed through in 1996 as an amendment to a giant last-minute must-pass appropriations bill, the legislation disarmed school staff and other adults – leaving elementary and secondary school children defenseless to serial killers. It also made it virtually impossible to drive your car down the street with your gun inside without violating the law by creating a 1000-foot so-called “gun-free zone” around every public and private school in the country. “Gun free,” that is, except for the criminals. No one – including politicians, the police, or the individual citizen – can predict where the next deranged serial killer will attack. And yet politicians continue to create “criminal safe zones” such as schools, churches, parks, restaurants that serve alcohol, etc., where the law-abiding are disarmed. The net impact of turning schools, in particular, into defenseless targets for serial killers has been dramatic. When many people over the age of 40 were growing up, ROTC students would march up-and-down high school campuses with their semi-automatic M1’s – and no one would think anything of it. Shooting clubs on school grounds were also not uncommon. But within a couple a years of the enactment of the Kohl amendment, two disaffected teenagers walked into Columbine High School secure in the knowledge that they would be the only ones in the school who were armed. And, of course, Columbine triggered a slew of copycat episodes – laying a mounting string of innocent casualties at the feet of Herb Kohl and his misbegotten legislation. It’s time to say NO to criminal safe zones. And a great place to start is the blatantly unconstitutional gun free school zones act. Thankfully, Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) agrees and has introduced legislation to do just that. Rep. Paul recently introduced the “Citizens Protection Act of 2011” (H.R. 2613), which will repeal the Kohl amendment and thus remove the federally created criminal safety zones. Rep. Paul is one of the few members of Congress who respects the Constitution and who actually introduces legislation to restore federalism. And, unlike some legislators, Paul has a history of forcing the House to vote on his pro-gun proposals, thus putting other congressmen on record. GOA is proud to stand with Rep. Paul in the effort to repeal the unconstitutional gun free zones law. For anyone who cares about liberty, now is the time to work on getting the 218 votes we need to pass this important piece of legislation. ACTION: Contact you congressman. Urge him or her to cosponsor Ron Paul’s Citizens Protection Act of 2011, H.R. 2613. Contact your congressman http://capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/a...ertid=52092826 __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<< -->

07-26-2011, 11:14 PM	#2
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) gun free zones, making life ( and death ) easy for psycho killers

07-26-2011, 11:38 PM	#3
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) I've said it before and I'll say it again, no one in congress has stood for the principles of our constitution like Ron Paul. Yeah, I guess he doesn't have the support necessary to elect him president, but if Americans who feel strongly about the constitutional republic our founders gave us were honest with themselves, they'd admit that Ron Paul would be the ideal choice. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

07-27-2011, 07:21 AM	#4
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,542	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) I too think Ron Paul would be a really good choice for President! However, because the GOP would not be able to control him, he won't get the nomination! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

07-27-2011, 08:08 AM	#5
cutter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 633	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) I too like Ron Paul, but as y'all have said we have to live in the real world. This is one election that I don't want to waste my vote to prove a point. It is just too impertant to get Obumer out!!!!

07-27-2011, 10:50 AM	#6
Haligan Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: FEMA Region II Posts: 1,900	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) OWK- "These arn't the droids your looking for" STORMTROOPER- "These arn't the droids we're looking for" OWK- "He can go about his buisness" STORMTROOPER- "You can go about your buisness" OWK- "Move along" STORMTROOPER- "Move along.....move along." MEDIA/TV/POLITICIANS- "Ron Paul can not win" US POPULATION - "Ron Paul can not win" DONALD TRUMP - "Ron Paul has zero chance of winning" US POPULATION - "Ron Paul has zero chance of winning" MEDIA/TV/POLITICIANS "You are wasting your vote if you don't vote for the lesser of two evils" ME- "NEVER AGAIN !!!!!" RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT !!!! How the heck do you guys ever expect anything to change if WE keep making the same damn mistakes. And when I say "CHANGE", I mean change. Not some crapy new boss, same as the old boss crap. Go ahead disagree, this is America(kind of). Mabe it'll be different this time. Do what you want, I'm done being a sheep. __________________ "He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falshoods and errors." - Thomas Jefferson Last edited by Haligan; 07-27-2011 at 11:17 AM..

07-27-2011, 03:29 PM	#8
lonewolf204 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Oklahoma Contributor Posts: 799	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) It's about time that somebody opens there eyes! I would vote for Ron Paul! __________________ Fear is only a word in the mind of the weak!

07-27-2011, 03:49 PM	#9
graehaven Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,853	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) Definition of insanity – *Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result.* Here, in the real world, an example.... Hey, we hate the present POTUS a democrat, so, let's vote in the republican candidate, and things will be awesome. Yaaaay! Let's do that. The above insanity has been repeated time and time again. Stop playing their game. They're laughing at you every time you pull the lever for the republican THEY put up for you to choose, or the democrat THEY put up for you to choose. The two party paradigm is broken. The republicans are the SAME as the democrats - they just want to destroy/control you in a nicer, quieter, friendlier fashion/facism. Until the conservatives in this country are willing to be the LIBERTARIANS that the founders were, we will continue to experience the same folly. You want to know why Ron Paul is so unpalatable to so many of you? Because he's so "foreign" in his thinking --- it doesn't match up to what you think a good conservative republican should be. *Because he's closer to the founders than most. The founders believed in LESS government. A LOT less --- less than most could even imagine.* And he's a republican. But he's really more of a conservative libertarian. Even he realizes that the party is unsaveable, which is why he's getting out after this. If you vote for the republican in the next election, and that person wins, let's say they do. Whooooopeeeeeee! We'll have the same 'ol same 'ol in no time. Why be opposed to someone who's "outside the box?" As far as I'm concerned, the last few decades in our present "box" sucks! Time for a new box. Time for a new candidate. One that doesn't have a D or an R in front of their name. I'm not "throwing away my vote" after another republican closet fascist loser. Either be principled or not! Don't tell me I'm not principled when I'm not willing to compromise and hold my nose while I pull the lever for the less stinky republican candidate, just because he/she's not a democrat. How utterly ridiculous. Either be principled or not!!!! __________________ The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." - Thomas Jefferson RESISTANCE IS FEUDAL... PREPARE TO SERVE. Last edited by graehaven; 07-27-2011 at 03:54 PM..

07-27-2011, 04:10 PM	#10
flyingtiger85 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Nevada Posts: 777	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) I like alot of what Ron Paul stands for but the libertarian stance on making drugs legal is kind of goofy and not well thought out.Like liberal Amsterdam or something I think will escalate the drug problem.I voted for Ross Perot because I was sick of both parties and the same old B.S.But looking back I think maybe I was had and Perot was put in just to take the conservative vote from Bush to give us Clinton.I would be very cousious ever not to vote Republican again.Fool me once not twice. Remember the old"The Who" rock song that sang(the party on the right is now the party on the left,we won't be fooled again)what an insight on politics now these days. Last edited by flyingtiger85; 07-27-2011 at 04:29 PM..

07-27-2011, 04:27 PM	#11
doubleclutch Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: N.E. Georgia,U.S., Third rock from the sun Posts: 45	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) It's such a shame this country will probably never see a truly Constitutional candidate.

07-27-2011, 04:38 PM	#12
flyingtiger85 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Nevada Posts: 777	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) At least with the Tea Party out there they are thinking long and hard about what they try to pass now.I'm sure they would have ramrodded the debt ceiling through and spent even more if it didn't exist.FOOOOSURE!!!!

07-27-2011, 04:46 PM	#13
dad2thebone Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 1,357	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) i hafta check him out first, not sure wth hes up to . im not tossin my vote in the toilet again for anything. __________________ 9-11-01 we will never forget.And then we have dec 7 now it's Nov 6th all sad days for our country. And dont whizz on my leg then tell me it's raining.

07-28-2011, 08:15 AM	#15
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,252	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) Again, people are taking the issue of having obama for 4 more yrs waayyyyy to lightly. Every single time I read these posts about ron paul, I am pretty much in agreement with everything that is said. BUT, its my opinion that if we allow obama to get re-elected, nothing will matter next time around. He will have succeeded in the complete dis-assembleing of this country and it wouldnt even surprise me if he attempted sharia law on top of global gun control. You guys better realize who this guy is and what he can do in 4 more yrs. One more of his court appointments will throw the balance in his direction and the 2nd ammendment is seriously at risk. We have the worst, anti american, terrorist loving, anti gun, liberal idiot in charge right now and not only has he spent more money than every president we have ever had combined, he has emboldened the gay community, the welfare community, all anti american orgs, the unions, and taken control of corporations and on and on and on. Four more yrs will bury us beyond recognition. I can not and I will not allow him to have that opportunity and I hope you folks will come to the same conclusion. I will put my support behind ron paul in 2016 and even campaign for him and donate the max allowed to his campaign, but I will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to get obozo out of office first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANYONE BUT OBOZO IN 2012!!!! __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

07-28-2011, 10:17 AM	#17
cutter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 633	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) As I posted earlier WE MUST remove Obumer in next election. Vot for the person that can beat him in real world, not what you would like too see. I agree with DD! I like Ron Paul and what he has to say, and I also will help him 2016 but not now. We have to come together in this election (just as the Libs did in 09) and get him out of the way, we all know he is destroying the US and that has been his intenions all along.

07-28-2011, 11:26 AM	#19
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) I'm kinda mixed on this. I actually support several candidates to see how far they can go but in the end will vote for whomever gets the nomination. I think Ron Paul would make the best president but I also like Michele Bachman and Rick Perry. I still haven't seen anything particularly inspiring from the others. I don't particularly like Romney but if he ges the nomination I'll even vote for him over Obama. As to the legalizing marijuana and other substances, we've had that discussion before. As I said then I think it is a fundamental right of any adult to ingest, inject, snort, or smoke whatever he chooses. It's his/her body. I understand everyones fears of increasing drug use if legalized but I just don't think that's going to happen. Those who argue from this position are using the same logic as those who believe the legal access to firearms increases violent crime. Even if this were true it doesn't matter. It's a right. From the practical side, legalization would bankrupt a lot of the criminal element. Goodbye Columbian cartels if people could legally obtain cocaine from licensed dealers. Goodbye also to the desperate thugs who knock old ladies over the head for the few dollars she has in her purse. Goodbye to those peddling drugs to school children in order to support their own drug habit. Also, imagine all the people we wouldn't have to support in our overcrowded prisons, those institutions of advanced study for criminals. And finally, if we have people who die because of what they choose to take into their bodies, look at it as natural selection and cleansing of the gene pool. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

07-28-2011, 12:22 PM	#21
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) I was thinking the other night about how they should tack this onto the debt ceiling legislation. __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<

07-28-2011, 01:11 PM	#22
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) DoubleD, the thing is that these drugs are so easy and cheap to manufacture that the government could have licensed vendors charging so little there would be no profit to deal in them illegally. Treat it just like alcohol. I don't think there are a whole lot of moonshiners left, at least not as many as during prohibition. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

07-28-2011, 09:11 PM	#23
graehaven Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,853	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) Worth the 5 and a half minutes of viewing time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=FHCkFPaePPQ __________________ The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." - Thomas Jefferson RESISTANCE IS FEUDAL... PREPARE TO SERVE.

07-28-2011, 10:01 PM	#24
redwing carson Former Guest Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: western wyoming Posts: 734	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) Wow Ron Paul has served 12 terms in DC. The Gun Free Zone has been around since 1996. Where has old Ron been? Why didn't he lead a battle on this before? Well it could be he wants the money and help from gun owners? This guy is setting on a Washington retirement program that will make him sooo rich. When will old Ron lead a fight to stop these big fat pensions?? The founding fathers didn't write that one in. The peasents follow and become more powerless.

07-28-2011, 10:18 PM	#25
American Leader Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,630	Re: New Ron Paul Legislation (Gun free zones) I like Ron Paul’s Citizens Protection Act of 2011, H.R. 2613 and am for it, but I think his son would make a better President. Right now I'm hoping Rick Perry gets in.