Who Watched the Debate? - The Firearms Forum

RunningOnMT · 08-12-2011, 09:10 AM

If you watched the republican debate last night what's your take on it. Who were the winners and losers in your opinion? Any surprises?

For me, I thought Gingrich took himself right out of the running with his obnoxious attitude. Don't care for Huntsman and can't see what he has to offer. I hate to say it but as much as I like Ron Paul, some of his ideas scare me. I like Herman Cain but I just don't think he has the experience or knowledge of world affairs to be president. Santorum has always been a favorite of mine and I agree with his stand on the issues , but I don't think he's electable. He's not that well liked and if a man can't hold on to his senate seat in his own state I don't think he could muster enough support for the presidency

Now for the winners. Even though I don't particularly care for Mit Romney I have to give him an A for his debating skills. He sounded more sincere than in the past and he seems competent but I still don't trust him. Michelle Bachman remains my favorite of the bunch but have to say Pawlenty impressed me too. That was the surprise of the night for me. This was the first time I've actually heard more from him than a few soundbites in the news. I could see supporting him . Interesting that my two favorites of the night seemed to get a bit testy with each other. Maybe they should kiss and make up and run together.

hogger129 · 08-12-2011, 09:17 AM

I thought Gingrich handled himself very well.

I almost always agree with every point Ron Paul makes. His ideas that wars are caused by us screwing with the world is spot on. He was right. The reason why Iran exploded in 1979 was because of our support for the Shah and his government which was installed by a coup by the CIA in 1953. The Iranians hated the Shah because the Shah was an authoritarian government and used Nazi-style tactics on their citizens. The same thing is going on with the Muslim theocracy they have now. The people hate it because it's basically an authoritarian government that treats its citizens like trash.

Such is the reason why we still haven't opened up trade restrictions on Cuba. You know? One President was killed because he refused to go back into Cuba. Or look at Vietnam. 58,000 American lives because we had to go meddling with their country.

I don't like the idea of isolationism, but I DO like the idea of non-interventionism. And why worry about Iran when we have thousands of violent drug cartels ready to kill us at any moment just the other side of the US-Mexico border? Let Israel deal with Iran.

Santorum, Bachmann and Pawlenty just sounded stupid arguing with each other and the other candidates.

Romney did okay. I saw how people were heckling him before the debates at the Iowa State Fair. I don't really know what to make of him. I don't like the idea of even a state forcing you to buy a product or service. What works for Massachusetts is another story. The reason I am not a fan of his is because of his state's stance on gun rights. With this man running our country, expect another Assault Weapon Ban. I don't think he's a staunch supporter like Feinstein and the other gun-grabbers, but I feel like he wouldn't stand up for us.

It would have been nice to have Rick Perry there.

I also felt like many of the questions the moderators asked were malicious.

Gun Geezer · 08-12-2011, 10:47 AM

I have not paid much attention to Ron Paul as a presidential candidate until last night. His answers and insight were spot-on. He also got the best audience response from his comments. However, In the media re-cap and this mornings news reports, Paul's name wasn't even mentioned. He might as well not even been there. Unfortunately, the media will shape public opinion and Ron Paul is obviously not a media darling. We're just being set up to get screwed again in 2012.

45nut · 08-12-2011, 10:56 AM

Ron Paul is spot on about monetary matters, but couldn't be more wrong about Iran. Iran is the most dangerous country extant to both the US and Israel. This country's leader has declared his intent on wiping out the Jews and should not be dismissed with a "Meh" and shoulder shrug.

Romney shot himself in the foot regarding healthcare with Mass "Romneycare" debacle, Pawlenty did well and so did Bachman.

Newt might be smart, but he can't take back the image of him sitting next to Nancy Pelochit agreeing on climate change. Moron.

Wait until Rick and Sarah get into the act.

hogger129 · 08-12-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 45nut

Ron Paul is spot on about monetary matters, but couldn't be more wrong about Iran. Iran is the most dangerous country extant to both the US and Israel. This country's leader has declared his intent on wiping out the Jews and should not be dismissed with a "Meh" and shoulder shrug.

Romney shot himself in the foot regarding healthcare with Mass "Romneycare" debacle, Pawlenty did well and so did Bachman.

Newt might be smart, but he can't take back the image of him sitting next to Nancy Pelochit agreeing on climate change. Moron.

Wait until Rick and Sarah get into the act.

I can't disagree on Iran. I do think they are dangerous. But what about North Korea who constantly rattle saber and who are armed with nuclear weapons?

What about Mexico whose violence is affecting this country? One town's entire police force quit. Obama and the UN are going to take our guns away because of what's going on there. I say until we take a strong national action against Mexico, let's let Israel deal with Iran.

carver · 08-12-2011, 11:06 AM

I thought they all did fairly well, but I want Ron Paul to be the GOP pick so bad! I was not real impressed with Bachman, or Pawlenty. Newt is just a RINO, as well as Romney. Perry will be in the next round, so let's wait and see what becomes of that. Straw pole tomorrow.

Juker · 08-12-2011, 11:14 AM

Apparently Rick Perry will announce his candidacy tomorrow. For me, no one else is even a consideration for my vote.

carver · 08-12-2011, 11:20 AM

I think Ron Paul is on that list too. I live in TX, and while I did vote for Perry as Governer of TX, I just want to warn you all that he is not what he appears to be. If the GOP does pick Perry to run as the Republican choice, then I will vote for him.

jlloyd73 · 08-12-2011, 03:10 PM

I think they all did a good job for the most part. I was proud of Speaker Gingrich, he stood up for himself and his record very well. He is a amazing man that IMO did really well when he was Speaker of the House. IMO one of the reasons everyone liked Clinton was because of the work Gingrich and the Republicans did while he was in office. (Democrats seem to forget all that).

I really like Representative Ron Paul, but like was said above....his foreign policy thinking sucks. You can't just ignore the middle east and be an isolationist. There is a place for us in the world, but I believe we should get paid for our work and nothing is free......NO MORE FOREIGN AID...and troops only need to be sent where we actually plan on winning and winning quickly.....no more political games at our troops cost.

I think Herman "The Godfather" Cain has great ideas but I am unsure of how much knowledge he has (very funny guy). I would like to see him in office somewhere if he doesn't make the Presidential Candidate.

I think Governor Romney is very smart, but I think he is old school politics and honestly I am tried of that...we need new ideas and a new generation of politicians.

Congresswoman Bachmann is a amazing woman and she did very well and I am proud she represents the Tea Party movement, she has old school values but with a much needed new school approach to how government should be (IMO more to what the Founding Fathers had in mind).

Huntsman, Pawlenty and Santorum don't have a rats chance in hell...although they are probably good men.

Juker · 08-12-2011, 03:19 PM

Someone is obviously coaching Pawlenty of being more aggressive, but his attacks on Bachmann were misdirected. He's also being told to use his hands more when he talks, making him look like some sort of bizarre puppet.

tcox4freedom · 08-12-2011, 04:04 PM

Newt actually put himself back in the race for me. Romney won a little favor from me too. I liked what RP said most of the night. But, like others have said some ideas really scare me.

I came out of last night liking Newt and Romney best. I like MB; but the media will just eat her alive. I also like Cain. But, there is no way for him to win in 2012. (maybe 2016)

I personally can hardly wait to learn more about Perry. He seems to be a strong leader with character & integrity. He might just end up being my pick.

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flyingtiger85 · 08-12-2011, 06:42 PM

Newt is the old guard Rhino but he has attack skills.He tore up Chris Wallace and caught him off guard.Chris Wallace made that stupid comment to not long ago to Bachman"are you a flake"I thought that was rude.Pawlenty did get a little more fire in his belly last night.Him a Bachman went at it pretty good.One thing about Ron Paul he brings up things others are affraid to discuss.

jlloyd73 · 08-12-2011, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by flyingtiger85

Newt is the old guard Rhino but he has attack skills.He tore up Chris Wallace and caught him off guard.Chris Wallace made that stupid comment to not long ago to Bachman"are you a flake"I thought that was rude.Pawlenty did get a little more fire in his belly last night.Him a Bachman went at it pretty good.One thing about Ron Paul he brings up things others are affraid to discuss.

Yup...Ron Paul and Herman Cain have a huge pair of brass ones. I think the whole reason I like watching them two on tv is that you never know what they might say.

American Leader · 08-12-2011, 10:58 PM

Hey ROM Jlloyd stole my every thought, I agree with his take, first one. Just want to add one thing, every one of those candidates would make a better president than what we have. The only way we lose is if Barrack "O'Muslim" Obama gets re-elected! Heaven forbid!

Juker · 08-14-2011, 08:33 AM

Pawlenty has dropped out of the race.

carver · 08-14-2011, 08:45 AM

Bachmann wins the Iowa straw pole, with 29%, and Ron Paul came in second with 28%. Next go around will include Rick Perry. Let's just wait and see what gets dug up on him! Rick Perry was campaign chairman in '88 for then U.S. Senator Al Gore's first run at the presidency. Although these two men have drifted in oposite directions since then, (Perry to the right, and Gore to the left) I still wonder how liberal Perry is!!!!

Juker · 08-14-2011, 08:53 AM

Perry came to his senses 22 years ago and switched to the Republican party - I give him major props for that!

whirley · 08-14-2011, 09:03 AM

Romney seems able to stand on both sides of every issue.Did Romney get any straw poll votes? Some may not like Gingrich, but he was right on with his comments about the Group of six trying to do the job that should be done by the Congress of the United States. As I recall he forced Clinton to accept a balanced budget. Not a RINO but a right of center Republican who knows how to work with Congress. Obama is a clockwork President operated by George Soros. The Media elected Obama, and they are trying to nominate his future opponent as they did with McCain, now a proven loser. I don't think Newt will get enough money to run an effective campaign.

Juker · 08-14-2011, 09:08 AM

Perry had just announced, so his votes were all write-ins. The Ames straw poll is hardly scientific, but was enough of a harbinger for Pawlenty to see the writing on the wall.

U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.): 4,823 votes
U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas): 4,671 votes
Former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty: 2,293 votes
Former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.): 1,657 votes
Former Godfather's Pizza CEO Herman Cain: 1,456 votes
Texas Governor Rick Perry: 718 votes
Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney: 567 votes
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich: 385 votes
Former Utah governor Jon Huntsman: 69 votes
U.S. Rep Thad McCotter (R-Mich.): 35 votes

American Leader · 08-15-2011, 04:22 PM

Check Perry's record since Governor, I think you all will like it!

SARG · 08-15-2011, 04:28 PM

If they're the best of the best ......... then that reinforces my opinion that the 235 year old republic is doomed to go under faster than most civilizations have in the past. ( actually probably faster than any before )

08-12-2011, 09:10 AM	#1
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Who Watched the Debate? If you watched the republican debate last night what's your take on it. Who were the winners and losers in your opinion? Any surprises? For me, I thought Gingrich took himself right out of the running with his obnoxious attitude. Don't care for Huntsman and can't see what he has to offer. I hate to say it but as much as I like Ron Paul, some of his ideas scare me. I like Herman Cain but I just don't think he has the experience or knowledge of world affairs to be president. Santorum has always been a favorite of mine and I agree with his stand on the issues , but I don't think he's electable. He's not that well liked and if a man can't hold on to his senate seat in his own state I don't think he could muster enough support for the presidency Now for the winners. Even though I don't particularly care for Mit Romney I have to give him an A for his debating skills. He sounded more sincere than in the past and he seems competent but I still don't trust him. Michelle Bachman remains my favorite of the bunch but have to say Pawlenty impressed me too. That was the surprise of the night for me. This was the first time I've actually heard more from him than a few soundbites in the news. I could see supporting him . Interesting that my two favorites of the night seemed to get a bit testy with each other. Maybe they should kiss and make up and run together. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!" --> Last edited by RunningOnMT; 08-12-2011 at 09:13 AM..

08-12-2011, 09:17 AM	#2
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,069	Re: Who Watched the Debate? I thought Gingrich handled himself very well. I almost always agree with every point Ron Paul makes. His ideas that wars are caused by us screwing with the world is spot on. He was right. The reason why Iran exploded in 1979 was because of our support for the Shah and his government which was installed by a coup by the CIA in 1953. The Iranians hated the Shah because the Shah was an authoritarian government and used Nazi-style tactics on their citizens. The same thing is going on with the Muslim theocracy they have now. The people hate it because it's basically an authoritarian government that treats its citizens like trash. Such is the reason why we still haven't opened up trade restrictions on Cuba. You know? One President was killed because he refused to go back into Cuba. Or look at Vietnam. 58,000 American lives because we had to go meddling with their country. I don't like the idea of isolationism, but I DO like the idea of non-interventionism. And why worry about Iran when we have thousands of violent drug cartels ready to kill us at any moment just the other side of the US-Mexico border? Let Israel deal with Iran. Santorum, Bachmann and Pawlenty just sounded stupid arguing with each other and the other candidates. Romney did okay. I saw how people were heckling him before the debates at the Iowa State Fair. I don't really know what to make of him. I don't like the idea of even a state forcing you to buy a product or service. What works for Massachusetts is another story. The reason I am not a fan of his is because of his state's stance on gun rights. With this man running our country, expect another Assault Weapon Ban. I don't think he's a staunch supporter like Feinstein and the other gun-grabbers, but I feel like he wouldn't stand up for us. It would have been nice to have Rick Perry there. I also felt like many of the questions the moderators asked were malicious. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can." Last edited by hogger129; 08-12-2011 at 09:34 AM..

08-12-2011, 10:47 AM	#3
Gun Geezer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,710	Re: Who Watched the Debate? I have not paid much attention to Ron Paul as a presidential candidate until last night. His answers and insight were spot-on. He also got the best audience response from his comments. However, In the media re-cap and this mornings news reports, Paul's name wasn't even mentioned. He might as well not even been there. Unfortunately, the media will shape public opinion and Ron Paul is obviously not a media darling. We're just being set up to get screwed again in 2012.

08-12-2011, 10:56 AM	#4
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	Re: Who Watched the Debate? Ron Paul is spot on about monetary matters, but couldn't be more wrong about Iran. Iran is the most dangerous country extant to both the US and Israel. This country's leader has declared his intent on wiping out the Jews and should not be dismissed with a "Meh" and shoulder shrug. Romney shot himself in the foot regarding healthcare with Mass "Romneycare" debacle, Pawlenty did well and so did Bachman. Newt might be smart, but he can't take back the image of him sitting next to Nancy Pelochit agreeing on climate change. Moron. Wait until Rick and Sarah get into the act. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO*

08-12-2011, 11:06 AM	#6
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,295	Re: Who Watched the Debate? I thought they all did fairly well, but I want Ron Paul to be the GOP pick so bad! I was not real impressed with Bachman, or Pawlenty. Newt is just a RINO, as well as Romney. Perry will be in the next round, so let's wait and see what becomes of that. Straw pole tomorrow. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

08-12-2011, 11:14 AM	#7
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: Who Watched the Debate? Apparently Rick Perry will announce his candidacy tomorrow. For me, no one else is even a consideration for my vote. __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

08-12-2011, 11:20 AM	#8
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,295	Re: Who Watched the Debate? I think Ron Paul is on that list too. I live in TX, and while I did vote for Perry as Governer of TX, I just want to warn you all that he is not what he appears to be. If the GOP does pick Perry to run as the Republican choice, then I will vote for him. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

08-12-2011, 03:10 PM	#9
jlloyd73 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,932	Re: Who Watched the Debate? I think they all did a good job for the most part. I was proud of Speaker Gingrich, he stood up for himself and his record very well. He is a amazing man that IMO did really well when he was Speaker of the House. IMO one of the reasons everyone liked Clinton was because of the work Gingrich and the Republicans did while he was in office. (Democrats seem to forget all that). I really like Representative Ron Paul, but like was said above....his foreign policy thinking sucks. You can't just ignore the middle east and be an isolationist. There is a place for us in the world, but I believe we should get paid for our work and nothing is free......NO MORE FOREIGN AID...and troops only need to be sent where we actually plan on winning and winning quickly.....no more political games at our troops cost. I think Herman "The Godfather" Cain has great ideas but I am unsure of how much knowledge he has (very funny guy). I would like to see him in office somewhere if he doesn't make the Presidential Candidate. I think Governor Romney is very smart, but I think he is old school politics and honestly I am tried of that...we need new ideas and a new generation of politicians. Congresswoman Bachmann is a amazing woman and she did very well and I am proud she represents the Tea Party movement, she has old school values but with a much needed new school approach to how government should be (IMO more to what the Founding Fathers had in mind). Huntsman, Pawlenty and Santorum don't have a rats chance in hell...although they are probably good men. Last edited by jlloyd73; 08-12-2011 at 03:14 PM.. Reason: spelling

08-12-2011, 03:19 PM	#10
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: Who Watched the Debate? Someone is obviously coaching Pawlenty of being more aggressive, but his attacks on Bachmann were misdirected. He's also being told to use his hands more when he talks, making him look like some sort of bizarre puppet. __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

08-12-2011, 04:04 PM	#11
tcox4freedom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: South Carolina USA Posts: 944	Re: Who Watched the Debate? Newt actually put himself back in the race for me. Romney won a little favor from me too. I liked what RP said most of the night. But, like others have said some ideas really scare me. I came out of last night liking Newt and Romney best. I like MB; but the media will just eat her alive. I also like Cain. But, there is no way for him to win in 2012. (maybe 2016) I personally can hardly wait to learn more about Perry. He seems to be a strong leader with character & integrity. He might just end up being my pick. -

08-12-2011, 06:42 PM	#12
flyingtiger85 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Nevada Posts: 751	Re: Who Watched the Debate? Newt is the old guard Rhino but he has attack skills.He tore up Chris Wallace and caught him off guard.Chris Wallace made that stupid comment to not long ago to Bachman"are you a flake"I thought that was rude.Pawlenty did get a little more fire in his belly last night.Him a Bachman went at it pretty good.One thing about Ron Paul he brings up things others are affraid to discuss.

08-12-2011, 10:58 PM	#14
American Leader Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,630	Re: Who Watched the Debate? Hey ROM Jlloyd stole my every thought, I agree with his take, first one. Just want to add one thing, every one of those candidates would make a better president than what we have. The only way we lose is if Barrack "O'Muslim" Obama gets re-elected! Heaven forbid! Last edited by American Leader; 08-12-2011 at 10:59 PM.. Reason: missed a word

08-14-2011, 08:33 AM	#15
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: Who Watched the Debate? Pawlenty has dropped out of the race. __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

08-14-2011, 08:45 AM	#16
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,295	Re: Who Watched the Debate? Bachmann wins the Iowa straw pole, with 29%, and Ron Paul came in second with 28%. Next go around will include Rick Perry. Let's just wait and see what gets dug up on him! Rick Perry was campaign chairman in '88 for then U.S. Senator Al Gore's first run at the presidency. Although these two men have drifted in oposite directions since then, (Perry to the right, and Gore to the left) I still wonder how liberal Perry is!!!! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

08-14-2011, 08:53 AM	#17
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: Who Watched the Debate? Perry came to his senses 22 years ago and switched to the Republican party - I give him major props for that! __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

08-14-2011, 09:03 AM	#18
whirley V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Contributor Posts: 457	Re: Who Watched the Debate? Romney seems able to stand on both sides of every issue.Did Romney get any straw poll votes? Some may not like Gingrich, but he was right on with his comments about the Group of six trying to do the job that should be done by the Congress of the United States. As I recall he forced Clinton to accept a balanced budget. Not a RINO but a right of center Republican who knows how to work with Congress. Obama is a clockwork President operated by George Soros. The Media elected Obama, and they are trying to nominate his future opponent as they did with McCain, now a proven loser. I don't think Newt will get enough money to run an effective campaign.

08-14-2011, 09:08 AM	#19
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: Who Watched the Debate? Perry had just announced, so his votes were all write-ins. The Ames straw poll is hardly scientific, but was enough of a harbinger for Pawlenty to see the writing on the wall. U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.): 4,823 votes U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas): 4,671 votes Former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty: 2,293 votes Former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.): 1,657 votes Former Godfather's Pizza CEO Herman Cain: 1,456 votes Texas Governor Rick Perry: 718 votes Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney: 567 votes Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich: 385 votes Former Utah governor Jon Huntsman: 69 votes U.S. Rep Thad McCotter (R-Mich.): 35 votes __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

08-15-2011, 04:22 PM	#20
American Leader Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,630	Re: Who Watched the Debate? Check Perry's record since Governor, I think you all will like it!

08-15-2011, 04:28 PM	#21
SARG V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northeast Posts: 306	Re: Who Watched the Debate? If they're the best of the best ......... then that reinforces my opinion that the 235 year old republic is doomed to go under faster than most civilizations have in the past. ( actually probably faster than any before )