Snake Experts Needed - The Firearms Forum

AL MOUNT · 08-19-2011, 09:26 AM

About 4 weels ago, one of our little 6lb. Papillons got bid by a Copperhead.

About $1000 later, in Vet and Meds bills she is doing much better,

but I'm NOT...

I have built a "Swinging Door" type snake trap., pics later.

My intention is to bait it with live rodents I catch around the property.

I am aware of the tactic of laying down a piece of plywood

for them to crawl under . But that's too easy for me...

Finally, to my question:

Does any one have an idea for other types of bait ??

I was thinking of peanut butter with birdseed mixed,

this might attract mice,

but I don't know about snakes.

I'm pissed, and I'm on a mission Grrrrrrr.

Any advice would be appreciated.

JLA · 08-19-2011, 09:31 AM

Even easier than that Al. Go to the pet store and buy a pet rat or mouse. securely tie a piece of fishing string around him and tie him off to an anchor in the ground near a weedline or brushpile or next to the underpinning of your house. The snake will eat him and the string wil remain attached to the rodent, the snake wont know hes caught, he will just realize when he tries to crawl away his food tried to come up so he will lay still. when you come up on him to check the trap he will try to crawl off and wont be able to without regurgitating his meal, which takes a minute, long enough to initiate a kill with some snake shot or a machete.

JLA · 08-19-2011, 09:32 AM

its actually a tried and true method for traping a snake. the string doesnt hurt them, it just buys you time so you can.

AL MOUNT · 08-19-2011, 09:36 AM

Hmmmm. that's interesting.... "Snake Fishinng"...

The only problem I see, is tying the noose around Mickey's neck

JLA · 08-19-2011, 09:41 AM

best to tie a slip knot in it and get it around the ribcage just under the front armpits. Which is also why its easier to use 'pet' mice. a wild rodent would rip your fingers to shreds if you tried to noose him.

rcairflr · 08-19-2011, 10:16 AM

Did you ever think that maybe you are going to be inviting more snakes into your yard and as such will increase the odds of another bite to your dog.

AL MOUNT · 08-19-2011, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcairflr

Did you ever think that maybe you are going to be inviting more snakes into your yard and as such will increase the odds of another bite to your dog.

How's that....??

There's an old saying....

Where ya find one Copperhead, you'll always find another.

Gabob · 08-19-2011, 12:43 PM

You are probably already aware that there is a snake bite vaccine nowdays. I don't know if it works on copperheads or just rattlesnakes.

JohnHenry · 08-19-2011, 12:44 PM

Different approach ...... Buy a peacock, or two. If you keep them supplied with grain they will hang around your yard .... they are pretty .... they are very good at killing
snakes .
Personal preference .

geds · 08-19-2011, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnHenry

Different approach ...... Buy a peacock, or two. If you keep them supplied with grain they will hang around your yard .... they are pretty .... they are very good at killing
snakes .
Personal preference .

and they scream like a woman about to have her head chopped off!

lonewolf204 · 08-19-2011, 01:22 PM

My dogs get bit by copper heads all the time. I just give them milk to drink and the swelling goes down in a couple days. I have never lost a dog to a copper head bite.

hunter29180 · 08-19-2011, 02:23 PM

the best solution is to convince the snakes to stay away..that way you, your family and your pets dont take the chance of being bit in the first place. this starts with "housekeeping", clean up piles that they would be attracted to, in other words anyplace a mouse would consiter attractive. Wood piles, junk piles, leaves, grass cuttings ect.
if you have firewood, stack on a pipe stand, use Terpintine under the stand, yes you will need to retreat after heavy rains, or when you fail to notice a good turpintine sell. this also helps keep spiders, mice and other pest from nesting in your firewood.

powdered Lime is a serious deterant also to snakes, it cloggs up their breathing openings and lungs. but it has to be a good layer not just a sprinkle, is good for crawlspaces and where water and dampness isnt a problem.

good mothballs help too, again if you cant smell it...its not working! lime and Mothballs were once consitered topline deterrances for skunks and snakes.

Prevention is the key! Not attracting and hunting! get even by removing their prey and their nesting "housing" areas! less food = less snakes!

rcairflr · 08-19-2011, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL MOUNT

How's that....??

There's an old saying....

Where ya find one Copperhead, you'll always find another.

My advice is based on keeping them out instead of attracting them into your yard.

geds · 08-19-2011, 04:26 PM

You could also release a couple of king snakes in your yard they'll keep the bad snakes out or have them for dinner!

Slabsides · 08-19-2011, 06:51 PM

If your dogs will play nice around cats, get one. Preferably a female (spayed!). A cat will wear a snake out. I watched my cat catch and eat every last scrap of one.

If it's too big to eat, the cat will harass it to the point of leaving and never coming back. Cats are faster than snakes and wear them down. Kinda fun to watch too.

Bobitis · 08-19-2011, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slabsides

If your dogs will play nice around cats, get one. Preferably a female (spayed!). A cat will wear a snake out. I watched my cat catch and eat every last scrap of one.

If it's too big to eat, the cat will harass it to the point of leaving and never coming back. Cats are faster than snakes and wear them down. Kinda fun to watch too.

jack404 · 08-19-2011, 07:11 PM

here we carry a length of wire used like a whip/club the wire will bend to the contours of the ground but break the snakes back a hook or bend on the end is common to pull snakes out into the open to get them better , but i wear snake boots when playing this game and unless your used to it suggest snake shot in a .22 or shotgun instead

jlloyd73 · 08-19-2011, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slabsides

If your dogs will play nice around cats, get one. Preferably a female (spayed!). A cat will wear a snake out. I watched my cat catch and eat every last scrap of one.

If it's too big to eat, the cat will harass it to the point of leaving and never coming back. Cats are faster than snakes and wear them down. Kinda fun to watch too.

I was thinking cats too. We have a few outside cats here to catch mice and snakes from the fields and a huge pond with tons of overgrowth.

JLA · 08-19-2011, 07:30 PM

you know. i was just thinkin, and this is prolly the best route to take.. Snakes are pretty good eatn. I have eatn rattlesnake, its actually quite good IMO, copperhead cant be much different. So maybe the trap would be best and then skin em and eat em.

jlloyd73 · 08-19-2011, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JLA

you know. i was just thinkin, and this is prolly the best route to take.. Snakes are pretty good eatn. I have eatn rattlesnake, its actually quite good IMO, copperhead cant be much different. So maybe the trap would be best and then skin em and eat em.

LOL...Jack might have a few recipes, don't they eat a lot of anything in the outback?

JLA · 08-19-2011, 07:48 PM

Plus IMO, its a win-win-win situation for you AL if you trap em and eat em.. #1 you get to eat, which is always good, I dont like being hungry.. #2, you get rid of your snakes, which is good because you dont want them around trying to eat your high dollar barking dust mops

.. and #3 snake skinz are relatively easy to tan and you can sell off the skinz as hatbands or if you get a biggun, you could fashion yourself a new rifle sling.

Just a few thoughts..

jlloyd73 · 08-19-2011, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JLA

Plus IMO, its a win-win-win situation for you AL if you trap em and eat em.. #1 you get to eat, which is always good, I dont like being hungry.. #2, you get rid of your snakes, which is good because you dont want them around trying to eat your high dollar barking dust mops

.. and #3 snake skinz are relatively easy to tan and you can sell off the skinz as hatbands or if you get a biggun, you could fashion yourself a new rifle sling.

Just a few thoughts..

JLA · 08-19-2011, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlloyd73

LOL...Jack might have a few recipes, don't they eat a lot of anything in the outback?

I got to wondering what snake tasted like back when Metal Gear Solid 3 first came out on PS2. So I killed, cooked, and ate the next snake i came across. which was a rattler, bout 5 feet long. Wasnt too bad. Fried him like fish and ate him with ketchup.

jlloyd73 · 08-19-2011, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JLA

I got to wondering what snake tasted like back when Metal Gear Solid 3 first came out on PS2. So I killed, cooked, and ate the next snake i came across. which was a rattler, bout 5 feet long. Wasnt too bad. Fried him like fish and ate him with ketchup.

Well duh...anything fried with ketchup tastes good.....

jack404 · 08-19-2011, 07:56 PM

skin , gut and remove the shute from the snake ( important to remove the shute eh)

lightly roll in plain flour and fry the peices

some garlic and chilli into the oil before frying adds the flavour a bit better but not needed

some sweet thai chilli sauce and you favourite vegetables fryed along with em and theres a top feed

nothing wrong with snake

just make sure ( here in OZ ) it aint protected species or it will be a expencive meal but if it attacks you its self defence ( pity we dont have that same right of self defence against 2 legged snakes) and you can eat whats left no worries

08-19-2011, 09:36 AM	#4
AL MOUNT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cleaning my Thompson in The Foothills of the Ozark Mountains Posts: 3,107	Re: Snake Experts Needed Hmmmm. that's interesting.... "Snake Fishinng"... The only problem I see, is tying the noose around Mickey's neck __________________ 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Vietnam 67-68

08-19-2011, 09:41 AM	#5
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,308	Re: Snake Experts Needed best to tie a slip knot in it and get it around the ribcage just under the front armpits. Which is also why its easier to use 'pet' mice. a wild rodent would rip your fingers to shreds if you tried to noose him. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

08-19-2011, 10:16 AM	#6
rcairflr Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wichita, Ks Posts: 1,317	Re: Snake Experts Needed Did you ever think that maybe you are going to be inviting more snakes into your yard and as such will increase the odds of another bite to your dog.

08-19-2011, 12:43 PM	#8
Gabob Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SW GA CSA Posts: 1,160	Re: Snake Experts Needed You are probably already aware that there is a snake bite vaccine nowdays. I don't know if it works on copperheads or just rattlesnakes. __________________ NRA Endowment Member Keep Your Powder Dry

08-19-2011, 12:44 PM	#9
JohnHenry Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Livingston county, Michigan Posts: 1,215	Re: Snake Experts Needed Different approach ...... Buy a peacock, or two. If you keep them supplied with grain they will hang around your yard .... they are pretty .... they are very good at killing snakes . Personal preference . __________________ Freedom .... Is Never Free ! We need Term Limits .... Send the "Professional Politicians" home .

08-19-2011, 09:26 AM	#1
AL MOUNT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cleaning my Thompson in The Foothills of the Ozark Mountains Posts: 3,107	Snake Experts Needed About 4 weels ago, one of our little 6lb. Papillons got bid by a Copperhead. About $1000 later, in Vet and Meds bills she is doing much better, but I'm NOT... I have built a "Swinging Door" type snake trap., pics later. My intention is to bait it with live rodents I catch around the property. I am aware of the tactic of laying down a piece of plywood for them to crawl under . But that's too easy for me... Finally, to my question: Does any one have an idea for other types of bait ?? I was thinking of peanut butter with birdseed mixed, this might attract mice, but I don't know about snakes. I'm pissed, and I'm on a mission Grrrrrrr. Any advice would be appreciated. __________________ 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Vietnam 67-68 -->

08-19-2011, 09:31 AM	#2
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,308	Re: Snake Experts Needed Even easier than that Al. Go to the pet store and buy a pet rat or mouse. securely tie a piece of fishing string around him and tie him off to an anchor in the ground near a weedline or brushpile or next to the underpinning of your house. The snake will eat him and the string wil remain attached to the rodent, the snake wont know hes caught, he will just realize when he tries to crawl away his food tried to come up so he will lay still. when you come up on him to check the trap he will try to crawl off and wont be able to without regurgitating his meal, which takes a minute, long enough to initiate a kill with some snake shot or a machete. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

08-19-2011, 09:32 AM	#3
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,308	Re: Snake Experts Needed its actually a tried and true method for traping a snake. the string doesnt hurt them, it just buys you time so you can. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

08-19-2011, 01:22 PM	#11
lonewolf204 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Oklahoma Contributor Posts: 788	Re: Snake Experts Needed My dogs get bit by copper heads all the time. I just give them milk to drink and the swelling goes down in a couple days. I have never lost a dog to a copper head bite. __________________ Fear is only a word in the mind of the weak!

08-19-2011, 02:23 PM	#12
hunter29180 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: in a motorhome where ever we park! Contributor Posts: 1,627	Re: Snake Experts Needed the best solution is to convince the snakes to stay away..that way you, your family and your pets dont take the chance of being bit in the first place. this starts with "housekeeping", clean up piles that they would be attracted to, in other words anyplace a mouse would consiter attractive. Wood piles, junk piles, leaves, grass cuttings ect. if you have firewood, stack on a pipe stand, use Terpintine under the stand, yes you will need to retreat after heavy rains, or when you fail to notice a good turpintine sell. this also helps keep spiders, mice and other pest from nesting in your firewood. powdered Lime is a serious deterant also to snakes, it cloggs up their breathing openings and lungs. but it has to be a good layer not just a sprinkle, is good for crawlspaces and where water and dampness isnt a problem. good mothballs help too, again if you cant smell it...its not working! lime and Mothballs were once consitered topline deterrances for skunks and snakes. Prevention is the key! Not attracting and hunting! get even by removing their prey and their nesting "housing" areas! less food = less snakes! Last edited by hunter29180; 08-19-2011 at 02:24 PM..

08-19-2011, 04:26 PM	#14
geds Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 3,706	Re: Snake Experts Needed You could also release a couple of king snakes in your yard they'll keep the bad snakes out or have them for dinner!

08-19-2011, 06:51 PM	#15
Slabsides Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: L.A. (Lower Alabama) Posts: 922	Re: Snake Experts Needed If your dogs will play nice around cats, get one. Preferably a female (spayed!). A cat will wear a snake out. I watched my cat catch and eat every last scrap of one. If it's too big to eat, the cat will harass it to the point of leaving and never coming back. Cats are faster than snakes and wear them down. Kinda fun to watch too. __________________ /l ,[____], l---L -OlllllllO- ()_)-()_)-o-)_)

08-19-2011, 07:11 PM	#17
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Snake Experts Needed here we carry a length of wire used like a whip/club the wire will bend to the contours of the ground but break the snakes back a hook or bend on the end is common to pull snakes out into the open to get them better , but i wear snake boots when playing this game and unless your used to it suggest snake shot in a .22 or shotgun instead

08-19-2011, 07:30 PM	#19
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,308	Re: Snake Experts Needed you know. i was just thinkin, and this is prolly the best route to take.. Snakes are pretty good eatn. I have eatn rattlesnake, its actually quite good IMO, copperhead cant be much different. So maybe the trap would be best and then skin em and eat em. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

08-19-2011, 07:48 PM	#21
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,308	Re: Snake Experts Needed Plus IMO, its a win-win-win situation for you AL if you trap em and eat em.. #1 you get to eat, which is always good, I dont like being hungry.. #2, you get rid of your snakes, which is good because you dont want them around trying to eat your high dollar barking dust mops .. and #3 snake skinz are relatively easy to tan and you can sell off the skinz as hatbands or if you get a biggun, you could fashion yourself a new rifle sling. Just a few thoughts.. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

08-19-2011, 07:56 PM	#25
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Snake Experts Needed skin , gut and remove the shute from the snake ( important to remove the shute eh) lightly roll in plain flour and fry the peices some garlic and chilli into the oil before frying adds the flavour a bit better but not needed some sweet thai chilli sauce and you favourite vegetables fryed along with em and theres a top feed nothing wrong with snake just make sure ( here in OZ ) it aint protected species or it will be a expencive meal but if it attacks you its self defence ( pity we dont have that same right of self defence against 2 legged snakes) and you can eat whats left no worries