New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end - The Firearms Forum

JQualls90 · 08-22-2011, 04:20 AM

Hey all, sorry if this is in the wrong section, I didn't see anywhere else to put it.
My name is Jimmy, and I stumbled upon this forum whilst looking for info on my Marlin model 60 (squirrel on stock). I read through a couple threads and liked what I saw.
A bit of background on me first: I'm stationed in Norfolk, in the US Navy as a GSM; Gas Turbine Systems Technician (Mechanical). I work on jet engines used for electrical and main propulsion of ships. Not a bad line of work, and I'm very proud to be a Navy engineer, seems like we get the most respect, next to SpecWar of course, from other sailors.

My first firearm was the 60 mentioned above. I got it from my dad for x-mas when I was 10. That thing's older than I am! (I'm 21) But I do need to go home on leave and get it fixed, as it won't eject spent casings, and it double feeds

My next was a Remington 870 Express Magnum 12ga. Got that on x-mas when I was 14 (hmm, seems to be a pattern there). My only complaint with the 870 is the finish, as the metal rusts wherever the oils from the skin touch it. I plan on getting a coating of some sort, maybe some camo-form or something. Both are fun to shoot and the .22 is as accurate as they come.

I am currently looking for a bolt action rifle, and leaning towards the
Marlin XL7, Winchester 70, or Remington 700, in order of preference. That will be a later purchase though. Unless someone wants to take over payments on an '04 mustang gt w/ some performance mods and a $1500 racing seat, harness, and bar interior? lol

Cliff's Notes: aged 21; own Marlin model 60, Rem 870 mag; in the Navy; want a centerfire bolt action rifle.

joncutt87 · 08-22-2011, 04:27 AM

Welcome to the site, don't be afraid to ask questions. don't forget about the savage axis/edge series of rifles, they're designed to be an entry level rifle.

joncutt87 · 08-22-2011, 04:38 AM

If you weren't set on a bolt action, I'd make you a deal on a semi .30-06.

hunter29180 · 08-22-2011, 05:24 AM

Welcome to the forum! good to see another Navy guy here! post pic of you guns, we all are addicted to them! some one will be along shortly to post a better reply than I can. for a bolt action you looking for a newer rifle or would a older style military type be something you would be interested in?

jack404 · 08-22-2011, 07:56 AM

G'day and welcome to the forum !!

HunterAlpha1 · 08-22-2011, 08:08 AM

hello and welcome! i'm assuming by Norfolk you mean Virginia? i'm up in Yorktown, maybe someday we'll be shooting buddies

jbmid1 · 08-22-2011, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joncutt87

If you weren't set on a bolt action, I'd make you a deal on a semi .30-06.

I might be interested in something like this. Is it listed on the buy/sell/trade section? If not pm me.

jbmid1 · 08-22-2011, 11:00 AM

Welcome, and I'm a big fan of the Remington 700.

Gabob · 08-22-2011, 11:41 AM

Welcome
On the bolt actions the Remington 700 is great. Don't overlook the Savages though. They make one of the most accurate out of the box rifles available

gdmoody · 08-22-2011, 12:10 PM

Welcome to the Forum, Jimmy. There is a wealth of information to be found here.

Thanks for your service, from an old Army retiree.

okiefired · 08-22-2011, 12:32 PM

Welcome and thanks for your service. Of the three bolts you listed the Marlin would be waaay down on my list. Remmy, Win, Savage, FN, Tikka, Sako just depends on what you want to spend. After market is much more available for the Remmy but Savage and Win are pretty good there too. Gunsmiths are probably more familiar with the remmy 700than any other rifle on the planet so thier easy to get worked on and accurized. Good luck.

okie

jlloyd73 · 08-22-2011, 12:35 PM

Welcome

joncutt87 · 08-22-2011, 02:08 PM

Here's the link to the .30
http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=91840

rosierita · 08-22-2011, 02:16 PM

welcome aboard! & THANK YOU for your service!

hogger129 · 08-22-2011, 05:16 PM

hey welcome to the forum. my father owns the marlin model 60 as well. good rifle.

JLA · 08-22-2011, 05:26 PM

Welcome to TFF JQualls, what do you have left to pay on your stang?

popgun · 08-22-2011, 06:36 PM

the marlin is just OK, as for a M70 winchester, get a pre 64 if you can. The new M70 Winchesters made by FNH here in the US are also good. The are made at the same factory as the Mini. Most Remington 700 are good. ADL are entry level has a blind magazine, BDL has a floor plate, CDL is best with the removable magazine. If you buy a used 700 check the trigger adjustment screws for the factory epoxy to make sure it has'nt been messed with. Enjoy

millwright · 08-22-2011, 09:43 PM

JQuals,

I'd opt for anything wearing the Savage brand these days ! Long been among the most accurate barrels in the industry, now sporting their "accu-trigger" that's a real gem, and - depending upon the model you buy - offer "convertibility" permitting you to change caliber/cartridge for yourself with simple/cheap tools !

For a long time the "knock" on Savage has been their rather "plain jane" appearance and styling. That's changing and do you buy a gun to look at or shoot ? Always been one hell of a value as well ! >MW

JQualls90 · 08-23-2011, 07:54 PM

Thanks for all the warm welcomes.
-I'm not interested in getting a semi just yet, since I want to get the SKS my dad sold to a friend back asap. Man, I miss that thing.
-I'm looking for a decent new rifle probably .270 or something similar. It's too bad I can't find a new 7.62x(51?) bolt action, that's what I really want, but there doesn't seem to be too much.
-Marlin has a bottom of the bucket bolt? I read a few reviews and they say it's not too bad, especially for the price vs performance on a starter rifle.
-I still owe a bit over 13k on the stang, it's an 04 GT. I honestly wouldn't let someone take over payments on it just yet. The previous owner either didn't use loc-tite or a torque wrench when they put new gears in it and I sheared off all the ring gear bolts, so it's getting a 31 spline upgrade.
- I've never even heard of Tikka or Sako, I'll have to look into those.

watsisname · 08-23-2011, 08:05 PM

Welcome, One of the best values in bolt action rifles is the Stevens 200 series. They are 100% Savage and are very accurate. I have two now and might buy a third just because I love them so much. Prices are very reasonable too.

Rastminikov · 08-23-2011, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JQualls90

Thanks for all the warm welcomes.
-I'm not interested in getting a semi just yet, since I want to get the SKS my dad sold to a friend back asap. Man, I miss that thing.
-I'm looking for a decent new rifle probably .270 or something similar. It's too bad I can't find a new 7.62x(51?) bolt action, that's what I really want, but there doesn't seem to be too much.
-Marlin has a bottom of the bucket bolt? I read a few reviews and they say it's not too bad, especially for the price vs performance on a starter rifle.
-I still owe a bit over 13k on the stang, it's an 04 GT. I honestly wouldn't let someone take over payments on it just yet. The previous owner either didn't use loc-tite or a torque wrench when they put new gears in it and I sheared off all the ring gear bolts, so it's getting a 31 spline upgrade.
- I've never even heard of Tikka or Sako, I'll have to look into those.

You'd be getting a deal letting someone take over payments though since it's worth ~$2k less than the outstanding loan... (Mods don't increase value, typically) Just FYI.

JLA · 08-23-2011, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JQualls90

Thanks for all the warm welcomes.
-I'm not interested in getting a semi just yet, since I want to get the SKS my dad sold to a friend back asap. Man, I miss that thing.
-I'm looking for a decent new rifle probably .270 or something similar. It's too bad I can't find a new 7.62x(51?) bolt action, that's what I really want, but there doesn't seem to be too much.
-Marlin has a bottom of the bucket bolt? I read a few reviews and they say it's not too bad, especially for the price vs performance on a starter rifle.
-I still owe a bit over 13k on the stang, it's an 04 GT. I honestly wouldn't let someone take over payments on it just yet. The previous owner either didn't use loc-tite or a torque wrench when they put new gears in it and I sheared off all the ring gear bolts, so it's getting a 31 spline upgrade.
- I've never even heard of Tikka or Sako, I'll have to look into those.

Good man. Ive always wanted a stang, but the wife wont let me have 1. I got enough speeding tickets in a 4 banger fiero she says..

I am another fan od savage rifles. They are great out of the box and easy to customize and build. I did a savage 11 .308 (7.62X51) earlier this year. it turned out great and is a perfect example of what a plain ol off the shelf savage can be with a little determination and some fairly inexpensive hand tools.

This one started life as an accustocked savage mod. 11 in .308. I rebarreled it with a heavy varmint barrel and had the stock dipped by a buddy of mine, while I was waiting on the barrel to arrive I trued the action and lapped the lugs for 100% contact. I rebarreled with a 26" varmint contour CBI in .308 10 twist. and I shoot 175 gr SMKs exclusively. Its a solid 1/4 MOA gun. The rifle was a 600 rifle NIB and I put another 500 or so including the barrel and tooling to make it look and shoot like it does now.

Pics before and after...

okiefired · 08-23-2011, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JQualls90

Thanks for all the warm welcomes.
-I'm not interested in getting a semi just yet, since I want to get the SKS my dad sold to a friend back asap. Man, I miss that thing.
-I'm looking for a decent new rifle probably .270 or something similar. It's too bad I can't find a new 7.62x(51?) bolt action, that's what I really want, but there doesn't seem to be too much.
-Marlin has a bottom of the bucket bolt? I read a few reviews and they say it's not too bad, especially for the price vs performance on a starter rifle.
-I still owe a bit over 13k on the stang, it's an 04 GT. I honestly wouldn't let someone take over payments on it just yet. The previous owner either didn't use loc-tite or a torque wrench when they put new gears in it and I sheared off all the ring gear bolts, so it's getting a 31 spline upgrade.
- I've never even heard of Tikka or Sako, I'll have to look into those.

Brother, I'm a short timer here myself and it seems most folks here are willing to help you in any way they can as am I but......... the fact you've never heard of Sako or Tikka and (even being in the military) you dont realize that the 7.62X51 and the .308 are for all intense and purposes the same cartrage (7.62X51 is the NATO version of .308 just like 5.56X45 is the NATO version of the .223) means you havn't done much research if any. I recommend you spend a little more time on the net and come back after you've gained some knowlege and narrowed your chioces a bit. Hell, there's a simi trailer load of 308 chambered bolt guns to chose from alone, it can be a tough chioce and you need to know the facts so you can chose the right one for you. I'm sure not trying to be an A hole here but you're gonna get a lot of biased opinions by throwing that question out on a forum like this, we all have our favorites

. Good luck with it sailor and I'm glad to help if I can.

okie

Chinook · 08-23-2011, 11:16 PM

My dad shoots a Savage 111 LRH chambered in .300 Win Mag. He absolutely loves it! I have not squeeezed off enough rounds to compare it to my 700 chambered in 30-06. Its my deer gun, and it works like a champion! I love the 700, but Im sure Id love a new Savage too. Specially after lookin at the current, retail pricing!(for entry level rifles anyways!) Great looking rifles, with great service to boot! They have been nothin but helpful with my little Model 93 Classic!

JQualls90 · 08-23-2011, 11:19 PM

I understand where you come from, as well as the lack of emotion behind the words, so please know, I mean no disrepect or bad attitude towards any of y'all in my words; but what little time I ahve put into research, I haven't found much of what I'm looking for, or the navy's computers won't load the pages. I am aware that the .308 is essentially the same round as a 7.62, as well as the fact that a 5.56 has a longer "lead", as well as the fact that .223 ammo can be used less accurately in a 5.56, but 5.56 in .223 isn't reccomended due to the difference in barrel pressure upon firing. I just never had much time for net research, growing up, due to feeding cows and doing fencework when I wasn't at school or work.

I was never really interested in shooting until recently when I shot one of my friend's 700's. The only shooting I have ever really done was clays with my 870 and some targets with the Marlin. And then I was only about 14-17, so none of that really mattered to me, I figure this is as good a place as any to start learning more. I am asking these questions, but let it be known: I am also using the search bar! I know, a shock right? lol, I am on other forums for my Dodge addiction, as well as the Mustang, and the same problem seems to happen there. The main difference being I know more about old Rams, and I mostly read about stang stuff. There also happens to be s fairly large stack of 7.62x51 ammo that I have free access to

I also know that perf. parts decrease the value of a vehicle. Unless of course you buy it anywhere near a military installation!

08-22-2011, 04:20 AM	#1
JQualls90 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 10	New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end Hey all, sorry if this is in the wrong section, I didn't see anywhere else to put it. My name is Jimmy, and I stumbled upon this forum whilst looking for info on my Marlin model 60 (squirrel on stock). I read through a couple threads and liked what I saw. A bit of background on me first: I'm stationed in Norfolk, in the US Navy as a GSM; Gas Turbine Systems Technician (Mechanical). I work on jet engines used for electrical and main propulsion of ships. Not a bad line of work, and I'm very proud to be a Navy engineer, seems like we get the most respect, next to SpecWar of course, from other sailors. My first firearm was the 60 mentioned above. I got it from my dad for x-mas when I was 10. That thing's older than I am! (I'm 21) But I do need to go home on leave and get it fixed, as it won't eject spent casings, and it double feeds My next was a Remington 870 Express Magnum 12ga. Got that on x-mas when I was 14 (hmm, seems to be a pattern there). My only complaint with the 870 is the finish, as the metal rusts wherever the oils from the skin touch it. I plan on getting a coating of some sort, maybe some camo-form or something. Both are fun to shoot and the .22 is as accurate as they come. I am currently looking for a bolt action rifle, and leaning towards the Marlin XL7, Winchester 70, or Remington 700, in order of preference. That will be a later purchase though. Unless someone wants to take over payments on an '04 mustang gt w/ some performance mods and a $1500 racing seat, harness, and bar interior? lol Cliff's Notes: aged 21; own Marlin model 60, Rem 870 mag; in the Navy; want a centerfire bolt action rifle. -->

08-22-2011, 04:27 AM	#2
joncutt87 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Kannapolis, NC Contributor Posts: 1,419	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end Welcome to the site, don't be afraid to ask questions. don't forget about the savage axis/edge series of rifles, they're designed to be an entry level rifle.

08-22-2011, 04:38 AM	#3
joncutt87 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Kannapolis, NC Contributor Posts: 1,419	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end If you weren't set on a bolt action, I'd make you a deal on a semi .30-06.

08-22-2011, 05:24 AM	#4
hunter29180 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: in a motorhome where ever we park! Contributor Posts: 1,625	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end Welcome to the forum! good to see another Navy guy here! post pic of you guns, we all are addicted to them! some one will be along shortly to post a better reply than I can. for a bolt action you looking for a newer rifle or would a older style military type be something you would be interested in?

08-22-2011, 07:56 AM	#5
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end G'day and welcome to the forum !!

08-22-2011, 08:08 AM	#6
HunterAlpha1 Former Guest Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Yorktown, VA Posts: 1,049	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end hello and welcome! i'm assuming by Norfolk you mean Virginia? i'm up in Yorktown, maybe someday we'll be shooting buddies

08-22-2011, 11:00 AM	#8
jbmid1 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,075	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end Welcome, and I'm a big fan of the Remington 700. __________________ You can't be too rich, too thin, or have too much firepower.

08-22-2011, 11:41 AM	#9
Gabob Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SW GA CSA Posts: 1,159	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end Welcome On the bolt actions the Remington 700 is great. Don't overlook the Savages though. They make one of the most accurate out of the box rifles available __________________ NRA Endowment Member Keep Your Powder Dry

08-22-2011, 12:10 PM	#10
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,310	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end Welcome to the Forum, Jimmy. There is a wealth of information to be found here. Thanks for your service, from an old Army retiree. __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

08-22-2011, 12:32 PM	#11
okiefired V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: OK. Posts: 186	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end Welcome and thanks for your service. Of the three bolts you listed the Marlin would be waaay down on my list. Remmy, Win, Savage, FN, Tikka, Sako just depends on what you want to spend. After market is much more available for the Remmy but Savage and Win are pretty good there too. Gunsmiths are probably more familiar with the remmy 700than any other rifle on the planet so thier easy to get worked on and accurized. Good luck. okie __________________ "If I ever meet a Texacan that hasn't drunk muddy water from a hoof print, I'll shake his hand and buy him a Daniel Webster ceeegar" Rooster Cogburn

08-22-2011, 12:35 PM	#12
jlloyd73 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,931	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end Welcome

08-22-2011, 02:08 PM	#13
joncutt87 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Kannapolis, NC Contributor Posts: 1,419	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end Here's the link to the .30 http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=91840

08-22-2011, 02:16 PM	#14
rosierita Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 5,218	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end welcome aboard! & THANK YOU for your service! __________________

08-22-2011, 05:16 PM	#15
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,064	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end hey welcome to the forum. my father owns the marlin model 60 as well. good rifle. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."

08-22-2011, 05:26 PM	#16
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,305	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end Welcome to TFF JQualls, what do you have left to pay on your stang? __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

08-22-2011, 06:36 PM	#17
popgun V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 403	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end the marlin is just OK, as for a M70 winchester, get a pre 64 if you can. The new M70 Winchesters made by FNH here in the US are also good. The are made at the same factory as the Mini. Most Remington 700 are good. ADL are entry level has a blind magazine, BDL has a floor plate, CDL is best with the removable magazine. If you buy a used 700 check the trigger adjustment screws for the factory epoxy to make sure it has'nt been messed with. Enjoy

08-22-2011, 09:43 PM	#18
millwright Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,435	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end JQuals, I'd opt for anything wearing the Savage brand these days ! Long been among the most accurate barrels in the industry, now sporting their "accu-trigger" that's a real gem, and - depending upon the model you buy - offer "convertibility" permitting you to change caliber/cartridge for yourself with simple/cheap tools ! For a long time the "knock" on Savage has been their rather "plain jane" appearance and styling. That's changing and do you buy a gun to look at or shoot ? Always been one hell of a value as well ! >MW

08-23-2011, 07:54 PM	#19
JQualls90 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 10	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end Thanks for all the warm welcomes. -I'm not interested in getting a semi just yet, since I want to get the SKS my dad sold to a friend back asap. Man, I miss that thing. -I'm looking for a decent new rifle probably .270 or something similar. It's too bad I can't find a new 7.62x(51?) bolt action, that's what I really want, but there doesn't seem to be too much. -Marlin has a bottom of the bucket bolt? I read a few reviews and they say it's not too bad, especially for the price vs performance on a starter rifle. -I still owe a bit over 13k on the stang, it's an 04 GT. I honestly wouldn't let someone take over payments on it just yet. The previous owner either didn't use loc-tite or a torque wrench when they put new gears in it and I sheared off all the ring gear bolts, so it's getting a 31 spline upgrade. - I've never even heard of Tikka or Sako, I'll have to look into those.

08-23-2011, 08:05 PM	#20
watsisname Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 522	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end Welcome, One of the best values in bolt action rifles is the Stevens 200 series. They are 100% Savage and are very accurate. I have two now and might buy a third just because I love them so much. Prices are very reasonable too.

08-23-2011, 11:16 PM	#24
Chinook V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: 17 pulls, into the propwash... Contributor Posts: 423	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end My dad shoots a Savage 111 LRH chambered in .300 Win Mag. He absolutely loves it! I have not squeeezed off enough rounds to compare it to my 700 chambered in 30-06. Its my deer gun, and it works like a champion! I love the 700, but Im sure Id love a new Savage too. Specially after lookin at the current, retail pricing!(for entry level rifles anyways!) Great looking rifles, with great service to boot! They have been nothin but helpful with my little Model 93 Classic!

08-23-2011, 11:19 PM	#25
JQualls90 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 10	Re: New guy, long thread, cliff's notes at end I understand where you come from, as well as the lack of emotion behind the words, so please know, I mean no disrepect or bad attitude towards any of y'all in my words; but what little time I ahve put into research, I haven't found much of what I'm looking for, or the navy's computers won't load the pages. I am aware that the .308 is essentially the same round as a 7.62, as well as the fact that a 5.56 has a longer "lead", as well as the fact that .223 ammo can be used less accurately in a 5.56, but 5.56 in .223 isn't reccomended due to the difference in barrel pressure upon firing. I just never had much time for net research, growing up, due to feeding cows and doing fencework when I wasn't at school or work. I was never really interested in shooting until recently when I shot one of my friend's 700's. The only shooting I have ever really done was clays with my 870 and some targets with the Marlin. And then I was only about 14-17, so none of that really mattered to me, I figure this is as good a place as any to start learning more. I am asking these questions, but let it be known: I am also using the search bar! I know, a shock right? lol, I am on other forums for my Dodge addiction, as well as the Mustang, and the same problem seems to happen there. The main difference being I know more about old Rams, and I mostly read about stang stuff. There also happens to be s fairly large stack of 7.62x51 ammo that I have free access to I also know that perf. parts decrease the value of a vehicle. Unless of course you buy it anywhere near a military installation!