Hay Jack

[cycloneman]

Your signature line. Where did you find it? Got more jucy bits like that? I could use them.

I guess the history books one day might write of the collapse of communism as just being disinformation to the Americans.

Sure looks like the winds of change we used to knock down the Berlin wall are blowing this way.

A year or so later after the wall fell the song winds of change came out. Ever read the lyrics. Somebody is banking on writting it about us.

I know the pieces fit.

[jack404]

i've studied Gorbachev and have most of his speeches , he and one of the oligarchs yeltsin created are the only two russian who have attended the builderberg conferences , Gorby 3 times ..., if you can use a Russian translation tool there's a heap of studies on him by russian students , all his speeches too

the oligarch ( forget the name he uses now, its fake anyway ) used to be the cheif theory guy at america town in the old SU (KGB training school for soviet operatives working in the USA ) and the guy who george soros goes to to get special projects going like the lighthouse group and a few others

one of the stars of the old america town was a great friend of both the weather underground and your prez..

[cycloneman]

Give me your thoughts on putin?

I see him as hard core with a vendetta.

[jack404]

he was "boss" of the western desk when the wall fell . he was the decider for everything major in intelligence in the west , the the EU,Uk, the USA, Oz and NZ


he a expert at espionage , psy op's , personally a former "expert" grade in self defence and soviet troops hand to hand training is excellent ..

and those that matter fear him.. lot's , all with good reason

he had a issue with the Russian mafia's , whole cities where basically mafia run , Rostov on don still a little .. he allowed the sanctioning of mafia bosses and infrastructure by out side hired consultants , a few PMC's sent folks , that way no come back on Russian citizens , he put bounties on their heads and sent out invites ..

he's assassinated both male and female journalists that get too close , and he's assassinated oligarchs and made moves of the former Ukrainian president via a bio weapon , he's poisoned folks in london and covered his agents 100% of the way

he's a top form player , old school, but without the oldschool arraingements the soviets and the west had , the gloves off with him with his own folks , no matter where they be , but only his own .. so far ... except for the ukraine prez, that was amazing and worse , he screwed it up ( someone woulda paid for it too)

and he was smart enough to put a totally loyal to him , bloke in the chair and get the rules changed so when he came back he could stay as long as he's elected .. president for life maybe ..

the chinese fear him too , they know putin wont screw around if they cross the Amur ..

Bejing will be glowing 7 minutes later and everwhere else for that matter that way

he published his counter strike plan

it went like this ..

100 nukes at major infrastructure military and political targets as a first responce

then 5 per week (a admitted and stated estimate ) for a year to ensure there is no capability of national resurrection but to limit fall out damage to Russia

the guy's got big ones

and a brain ..

and he's dedicated to the cause

he aint a commo though.. , from what i can see he's a socialist nationalist ( if i can coin it that way to differ from the NA nazi types ) taking the soviet concept but making it more flexible , trade , business etc , but big military and influence again .. , but still a socialist.. and a big eugenics fan ...

oh the big neo nazi / fascist movement in Russia ( seperate from the nationalist and Christian/Nationalists movements)

he's got a good hand in that .. knows how to create a crisis does our vlad ..

[cycloneman]

Originally Posted by jack404

he published his counter strike plan

I cant understand why any military leader would do this. Must be a personallity trait of the narcisstic. I would never tell anyone i was about to kill them or how.

the guy's got big ones
I agree.

and a brain .. eh he is predictable.

and he's dedicated to the cause
agreed, he is enjoying world / our misery right now. i know he is watching closly. What is going on now is like proficy coming true to him.

knows how to create a crisis does our vlad ..

[jack404]

I cant understand why any military leader would do this. Must be a personallity trait of the narcisstic. I would never tell anyone i was about to kill them or how.

he's not military , he's political science .... , he know the chinese , way better than the west does , this is big to them , they've not made a single comment back . look at what china has said about the 2500 marines coming here to Oz , about what vlad said ?, not one peep

despite china's communist ethos , its still very much ancestor respect warlord ideology in mindset , to target the leaders directly is a threat , to wipe out their hairs and succsesors and have no-one to remember them in ceremony for ever ( as top party people are now enjoying ) is hell to them ... that he said it openly as a leader who can do just as he states .. to them showed his resolve .. people at that level do not make statements like that , not to the Chinese ..

china wont go Russia with putin in charge , someone who would fight a conventional war limited nukes etc , yeah they are set for that , relying on numbers and politics and opinion to later sue for peace while they hold the advantage , , and once they have sibera to vladivostok they'll take out taiwan ..

despite his games i want him on our side ..

let Russia bear the brunt of the upcoming islamic alliances then uprisings against area's like serbia paris tajikistan and all the other little "stans" around there , and pakistan .. it'll fall to the islamists sooner or later

let him bring all the little stans under a new Russian union ,

worry if he does a back flip and pacify's china and the islamists ..

putins a target to many including the globalists

he wants a strong financial trading Russian Union ,

russian justice has always been harsh , big deal ..

but if your a average joe and not political theres no hassle besides crime and drunk drivers

i have a ball in russia .. love the place and the people and a lot of what they do

and how they do it .. it's a polite society

and one thing putin is doing is pushing the Christian ethos . helping the Christian church grow , while limiting Mosques ,
hard wark , pay for work , paying taxes ( almost no-one in Russia besides business's pay taxes) but the EU and Un are making it all hard for him .. so he goes Job tyovmat (sp?) the the world and makes $ from his three big cash cows , gas minerals and guns

if you cut trade with China , restart your own manufacturing and have a small outsource to Russia instead

he'd be a totally different puppy , just stay out of his domestic affairs .. and you'd be helping yourselve a heap ,

just my view ..

[jack404]

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/11412

and a incite on the depth of being purged from history means to the chinese leadership

from wiki

Zhao Ziyang (pronounced [tʂɑ̂ʊ t͡sɨ̀jɑ̌ŋ]; 17 October 1919 – 17 January 2005) was a high-ranking politician in the People's Republic of China (PRC). He was the third Premier of the People's Republic of China from 1980 to 1987, and General Secretary of the Communist Party of China from 1987 to 1989.
As a senior government official, Zhao was critical of Maoist policies and instrumental in implementing free-market reforms, first in Sichuan, subsequently nationwide. He emerged on the national scene due to support from Deng Xiaoping after the Cultural Revolution. He also sought measures to streamline the bureaucracy and fight corruption, which was severely affecting the Party's legitimacy in the 1980s. Zhao Ziyang was also an advocate of the privatization of state-owned enterprises, the separation of the Party and the state, and general market economic reforms. Many of these views were shared by then-General Secretary Hu Yaobang.[2]
His economic reform policies and sympathies to student demonstrators during the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 placed him at odds with some members of the party leadership, namely Premier Li Peng. Zhao also began to lose favour with paramount leader Deng Xiaoping. In the aftermath of the events, Zhao was purged politically and effectively placed under house arrest for the next 15 years. He died in Beijing in 2005, but because of his political fall from grace he was not given the funeral rites generally accorded to senior Chinese officials.


he made them all rich , the members , the generals , China as a whole

at first they made him General Secretary ,then Tiananmen.. and he again did not agree with the party

so he was cast out and so he lives on in wiki and a few other places only , take his family out of the equation ( as china also has done ) and he's nothing , and to them , thats hell it's self ..

putin did what he needed to do to ensure his nations safety at a cost and level he could afford back when he did it

think about it ...

he knows his enemy ..

[ofitg]

Originally Posted by cycloneman

I guess the history books one day might write of the collapse of communism as just being disinformation to the Americans.

Cycloneman, here's some interesting reading -

http://www.sodahead.com/fun/the-comm...e/blog-237599/

[jack404]

some Russian thoughts on Putin and his plans

[raven818]

Impressive stuff, Jack. As the saying goes, I'm not easily impressed, but..

[jack404]

Raven , reading the tea leaves of events was part of the job description once .. always kept at what i learned and been open with my assessments , i'm wrong .. often , in details ..

but the whole , sadly not .. and theres way more than me and lots too , and they all reach the same end , with variances ..

study history , recent and ancient , know your enemy ..

any open mind will find the truth ..

then the important thing is acting on what is the truth ..

[raven818]

I guess everybody's already heard that he ( Medvedev ) threaten the U.S. today if we go ahead and place missile's in Europe. Threatened to point their WMD's at each of our missile bases.

I trust he will do just that. So much for the new " S.T.A.R.T. " treaty.

[cycloneman]

Originally Posted by raven818

I guess everybody's already heard that he ( Medvedev ) threaten the U.S. today if we go ahead and place missile's in Europe. Threatened to point their WMD's at each of our missile bases.

I trust he will do just that. So much for the new " S.T.A.R.T. " treaty.

Did you expect anything less?

Annie up.

I just question where our missles will be headed once they leave the nest. Coming back for us maybe Isreal????? I would not put it past the head bonehead in office. Things are never what they seem to be.

[jack404]

start was signed with the soviet union they dont exist any more , you'll need all new agreements

[cycloneman]

Originally Posted by jack404

start was signed with the soviet union they dont exist any more , you'll need all new agreements

I love it.

[cycloneman]

Anybody got that pic of the kid riding the missle and he is waving. It was in a rush video. I sure would like to have that pic.

[jack404]

which one??

[cycloneman]

the middle one i have been searching for years for that one

[jack404]

cool glad you got it ..

kid's on rockets

[jack404]

bottom pic was the islamic friendship society's family day cant you just feel the love ( and the home made rockets with israel on the "guidance' part

[cycloneman]

Here is the video where the pic comes from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC0u9MdHA98

And if your interested in what is being said check this out. There is more to this song than meets the eye. Read the comments.

http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/107543/

Very interesting indeed. Loved this band in my high school days, still do.