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dbrown1997 · 10-04-2011, 10:55 AM

Okay i'm 14 and from illinois i was wondering if i was walking out to my friends house in the country could i put the rifle or pistol into a lock case and take it with me?

geds · 10-04-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dbrown1997

Okay i'm 14 and from illinois i was wondering if got my friend to buy a rifle or a pistol could i keep it at my house even though its legally his? I was also wondering if i was walking out to my friends house in the country could i put the rifle or pistol into a lock case and take it with me?

I don't know the specific legalities in your state - I will leave that for others to answer. But, I do have concerns as to why you would want to store a gun for someone else. If the gun was used in a crime and you are storing it, you could be drug into the prosecution and be liable for aiding and abetting. Even if cleared, it could cost you and/or your parents significant legal $ to clear you.

dbrown1997 · 10-04-2011, 11:05 AM

Alpo · 10-04-2011, 11:06 AM

Different states have different laws, so your best bet would be to ask this question of your town's DA or State's Attorney, or whatever they call 'em in Illinois.

I do know that, the way your phrased the question - "if I got my friend to buy a gun" - that would be a straw purchase. Someone that can legally buy a gun buying one for someone that cannot legally buy a gun. Federal felony.

dbrown1997 · 10-04-2011, 11:08 AM

Alpo · 10-04-2011, 11:08 AM

There we go. Your second post explained it. You give him money to buy you a gun because you are not old enough to buy it yourself.

Straw purchase. Federal felony. Both of you. When you are through serving your sentence you will never again be able to legally even touch a gun, let along own one.

Bad, BAD idea.

joncutt87 · 10-04-2011, 11:11 AM

Thats defined by the DOJ as a straw purchase, I wouldn't get involved in that mess. However a parent could give the gun to you as a gift, but I don't think that you would be able to transport it. I definitely wouldn't try it with a pistol.

dbrown1997 · 10-04-2011, 11:13 AM

is it legal to borrow a gun from your friend for time at the range from or shooting at a friends house?

dbrown1997 · 10-04-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by joncutt87

Thats defined by the DOJ as a straw purchase, I wouldn't get involved in that mess. However a parent could give the gun to you as a gift, but I don't think that you would be able to transport it. I definitely wouldn't try it with a pistol.

how would that work?

dbrown1997 · 10-04-2011, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by joncutt87

Thats defined by the DOJ as a straw purchase, I wouldn't get involved in that mess. However a parent could give the gun to you as a gift, but I don't think that you would be able to transport it. I definitely wouldn't try it with a pistol.

and also does it have to be a parent that gifts it or anyone?

Bobitis · 10-04-2011, 11:18 AM

I'm with Alpo.

Were it your parents making the purchase as a gift for you, you may be in the clear. Your scenario is a clear violation.

Bobitis · 10-04-2011, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dbrown1997

and also does it have to be a parent that gifts it or anyone?

Check your local laws. None of us are competent (or foolish) enough to give out legal advice. You'll need to check yourself.

I bought my son his 1st rifle at 16. For his graduation, I got him his 1st pistol. Both completely legal. He couldn't carry the pistol, but it was legal to own it.

But, I'm not in Mishigan.

jlloyd73 · 10-04-2011, 11:27 AM

If you are wanting to go shoot your gun out on the country with your buddy. I would suggest you just pack it up (gun and ammo separate) and ask your parents to drive you out there. Walking would open all these different possibilities of problems.....legal issues, getting mugged, etc.

Capt Mac Turk · 10-04-2011, 03:51 PM

Well my Question is why dont you ask Your Parents 2 buy it 4 you?

Tell you what if I did what your asking when I was your age (My old Man woulda kicked my Azz up one side of the street & down the other!)

TALK 2 your FOLKS!!!

Double D · 10-04-2011, 03:56 PM

Sounds like he doesnt want to ask the folks. Am I wrong?

Bobitis · 10-04-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Sounds like he doesnt want to ask the folks. Am I wrong?

Things that make ya go hmmm...

Dad bought us ours, we bought for our kids...

H-D · 10-04-2011, 04:09 PM

if you want a gun get your parents to buy it and keep in in their name until you reach your local legal age , if you want to go shoot a gun make sure to have a responsible adult with you at all times, I do not think a person under 18 is legally allowed to transport a firearm without an adult present if in doubt contact the BATFE http://www.atf.gov/contact/

Capt Mac Turk · 10-04-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Sounds like he doesnt want to ask the folks. Am I wrong?

Thats what I thought also D D

My Pops gave me my first 22 @ age 12 soon after for my Christmas presents

my first 4-10 shotgun & my 22 pistol in the other threads!

You MUST PROVE to your FOLKS your RESPONSABLE enuff 2 be handeling a Firearm!

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If you want a gun get your parents to buy it and keep in in their name until you reach your local legal age , if you want to go shoot a gun make sure to have a responsible adult with you at all times, I do not think a person under 18 is legally allowed to transport a firearm without an adult present if in doubt contact the BATFE http://www.atf.gov/contact/

AGREE Great Info!

Mac

dbrown1997 · 10-04-2011, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Sounds like he doesnt want to ask the folks. Am I wrong?

no its just that every time i ask my dad to get his foid card he says he will do it next week and thats been going on for two years also he doesnt like pistol or and anything thats not a rifle or a shotgun and since i want to get a wasr-10 or a yugo m70 thats means my dad probably wont buy what i would think is a nice gift.

CampingJosh · 10-04-2011, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dbrown1997

no its just that every time i ask my dad to get his foid card he says he will do it next week and thats been going on for two years also he doesnt like pistol or and anything thats not a rifle or a shotgun and since i want to get a wasr-10 or a yugo m70 thats means my dad probably wont buy what i would think is a nice gift.

Do you have a lot of money for a 14 year old? I just ask because shooting 7.62x39 costs about 4-5 times as much as shooting .22 LR. There are a few different companies that make AK-pattern rifles in the .22 LR; perhaps this would be a good compromise between what you want and what your parents would be happy with.

That said, since your father does not have a FOID card (and hasn't for at least the last two years), it seems likely that he's not terribly familiar with safe gun handling. You may get better results quicker by asking him if you (or the two of you) can take a hunter safety or gun safety class. Showing an interest in doing things the safe way will get you a gun much quicker than will constantly pestering him about the FOID card.

dbrown1997 · 10-04-2011, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CampingJosh

Do you have a lot of money for a 14 year old? I just ask because shooting 7.62x39 costs about 4-5 times as much as shooting .22 LR. There are a few different companies that make AK-pattern rifles in the .22 LR; perhaps this would be a good compromise between what you want and what your parents would be happy with.

That said, since your father does not have a FOID card (and hasn't for at least the last two years), it seems likely that he's not terribly familiar with safe gun handling. You may get better results quicker by asking him if you (or the two of you) can take a hunter safety or gun safety class. Showing an interest in doing things the safe way will get you a gun much quicker than will constantly pestering him about the FOID card.

he actually might go for that because he used to have a couple .22s. but money is not a problem for me i have a job and i get $400 a month. its not alot but enough for some ammo after i buy an ak

cycloneman · 10-04-2011, 10:49 PM

I remember when I was in high school. I had a brochure from Colt. It had a python and a ar15 on the cover. The teacher walked past me one day when i had it on my desk. Took one look at it and said "one too many dirty harry movies hugh?"

Oh I remember your age.

Welcome to the forum. Look I cant advise you one way or another here other than to talk to your dad.

Hay you should visit all of the forums here. Good luck and allways be respectful of those firearms. Lots of good safety info here for young ones to learn. Dont be afraid to ask.

nynomad · 10-05-2011, 07:37 AM

Ahh to be 14 again.

Of course I didn't have the internet to ask such questions. On the other hand back then i wouldn't have had to ask that question...

And yea talk to your Dad.

fuzebox40 · 10-05-2011, 12:56 PM

Not trying to talk you out of what you want but reduardless who's paying, asking for AK's and such at 14 is an uphill battle. The oldest age you've ever experienced is 14 so that seems pretty old to you, but to deer ol' dad your still just a pup. My advice, be willing to settle for something he can be more comfortable with. It will make you appear more mature and responsible just that fast. Right now you sound like you want to remove the training wheels and clime into a nascar. Work with him and he'll be more inclined to get involved.
You have plenty of time in the future to go nuclear, meanwhile you could be having fun with a .22 for example. There's probably more than you realize to customize with after you get one and that's part of the fun. Here is a pic of a .22 I've been customizing just for one example.

fuzebox40 · 10-05-2011, 01:07 PM

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dbrown1997 Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 17	firearm question. Okay i'm 14 and from illinois i was wondering if i was walking out to my friends house in the country could i put the rifle or pistol into a lock case and take it with me? --> Last edited by dbrown1997; 10-04-2011 at 11:11 AM..

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Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,649	Re: firearm question. Different states have different laws, so your best bet would be to ask this question of your town's DA or State's Attorney, or whatever they call 'em in Illinois. I do know that, the way your phrased the question - "if I got my friend to buy a gun" - that would be a straw purchase. Someone that can legally buy a gun buying one for someone that cannot legally buy a gun. Federal felony. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

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dbrown1997 Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 17	Re: firearm question. . Last edited by dbrown1997; 10-04-2011 at 11:10 AM..

10-04-2011, 11:08 AM	#6
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,649	Re: firearm question. There we go. Your second post explained it. You give him money to buy you a gun because you are not old enough to buy it yourself. Straw purchase. Federal felony. Both of you. When you are through serving your sentence you will never again be able to legally even touch a gun, let along own one. Bad, BAD idea. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

10-04-2011, 11:11 AM	#7
joncutt87 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Kannapolis, NC Contributor Posts: 1,419	Re: firearm question. Thats defined by the DOJ as a straw purchase, I wouldn't get involved in that mess. However a parent could give the gun to you as a gift, but I don't think that you would be able to transport it. I definitely wouldn't try it with a pistol. __________________ Four words to live by: aequitas, veritas, decus, sacrificium

10-04-2011, 11:13 AM	#8
dbrown1997 Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 17	Re: firearm question. is it legal to borrow a gun from your friend for time at the range from or shooting at a friends house?

10-04-2011, 11:18 AM	#11
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: firearm question. I'm with Alpo. Were it your parents making the purchase as a gift for you, you may be in the clear. Your scenario is a clear violation. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

10-04-2011, 11:27 AM	#13
jlloyd73 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,931	Re: firearm question. If you are wanting to go shoot your gun out on the country with your buddy. I would suggest you just pack it up (gun and ammo separate) and ask your parents to drive you out there. Walking would open all these different possibilities of problems.....legal issues, getting mugged, etc. __________________ --------------------------------------------------- The only thing better than good family is good friends. J and D Lloyd Get ready...it's getting "real" and really fast!

10-04-2011, 03:51 PM	#14
Capt Mac Turk Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: So Fla-- NO place to Shoot AKA "TFF" Posting Clown Posts: 835	Re: firearm question. Well my Question is why dont you ask Your Parents 2 buy it 4 you? Tell you what if I did what your asking when I was your age (My old Man woulda kicked my Azz up one side of the street & down the other!) TALK 2 your FOLKS!!! __________________ Capt. Mac Turk U.S.C.G.-100 Ton-Unlimited Master Fair winds & Following Sea's (My pops line) ~"Little Miss Magic" "And the sea will grant each man new hope,His sleep brings dreams of home" Captain Marko Ramius Christopher Columbus Member of D.A.D.D. till she's 21 keep your scuppers dry and your bilge pumped - ahoy, matey! Quoted by Jim Hauff 10-6-11 NRA member They can take my guns after, they pry my cold dead fingers off them

10-04-2011, 03:56 PM	#15
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,054	Re: firearm question. Sounds like he doesnt want to ask the folks. Am I wrong? __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

10-04-2011, 04:09 PM	#17
H-D Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Mississippi Posts: 1,334	Re: firearm question. if you want a gun get your parents to buy it and keep in in their name until you reach your local legal age , if you want to go shoot a gun make sure to have a responsible adult with you at all times, I do not think a person under 18 is legally allowed to transport a firearm without an adult present if in doubt contact the BATFE http://www.atf.gov/contact/ __________________ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Revelation 19:11

10-04-2011, 10:49 PM	#22
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,398	Re: firearm question. I remember when I was in high school. I had a brochure from Colt. It had a python and a ar15 on the cover. The teacher walked past me one day when i had it on my desk. Took one look at it and said "one too many dirty harry movies hugh?" Oh I remember your age. Welcome to the forum. Look I cant advise you one way or another here other than to talk to your dad. Hay you should visit all of the forums here. Good luck and allways be respectful of those firearms. Lots of good safety info here for young ones to learn. Dont be afraid to ask. __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

10-05-2011, 07:37 AM	#23
nynomad V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 377	Re: firearm question. Ahh to be 14 again. Of course I didn't have the internet to ask such questions. On the other hand back then i wouldn't have had to ask that question... And yea talk to your Dad.

10-05-2011, 12:56 PM	#24
fuzebox40 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Apple Valley, Ca. Contributor Posts: 1,485	Re: firearm question. Not trying to talk you out of what you want but reduardless who's paying, asking for AK's and such at 14 is an uphill battle. The oldest age you've ever experienced is 14 so that seems pretty old to you, but to deer ol' dad your still just a pup. My advice, be willing to settle for something he can be more comfortable with. It will make you appear more mature and responsible just that fast. Right now you sound like you want to remove the training wheels and clime into a nascar. Work with him and he'll be more inclined to get involved. You have plenty of time in the future to go nuclear, meanwhile you could be having fun with a .22 for example. There's probably more than you realize to customize with after you get one and that's part of the fun. Here is a pic of a .22 I've been customizing just for one example.

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fuzebox40 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Apple Valley, Ca. Contributor Posts: 1,485	Re: firearm question. marlin model 70 Attached Images