firearm question.

[armedandsafe]

Fuzebox, that's right gaudy. I like!

Pops

[Alpo]

Sometimes second-guessing the old man don't work.

I requested a bolt action 22 repeater. I didn't want a bolt. Wanted a 10/22. Figgered I stood a much better chance of getting a bolt, though. Safer gun. Any gun was better than no gun.

So comes my birthday, and there's a Remington 572 pump. Daddy said he could not find a bolt, and he hoped that would be acceptable. Yeah, right.

Six months or so later, and I am perusing the Amierican Rifleman. Full-page ad for a 10/22. I said (because children are thoughtless and often say things that hurt their parents' feelings) that the pump was nice, but what I'd really have liked was one of them.

Daddy says, "Well, hell. They had them. If I'd known that's what you wanted, I'd have got you one. I was looking for a bolt action, because that's what you said you wanted."

[Capt Mac Turk]

Originally Posted by fuzebox40

Not trying to talk you out of what you want but reduardless who's paying, asking for AK's and such at 14 is an uphill battle. The oldest age you've ever experienced is 14 so that seems pretty old to you, but to deer ol' dad your still just a pup. My advice, be willing to settle for something he can be more comfortable with. It will make you appear more mature and responsible just that fast. Right now you sound like you want to remove the training wheels and clime into a nascar. Work with him and he'll be more inclined to get involved.
You have plenty of time in the future to go nuclear, meanwhile you could be having fun with a .22 for example. There's probably more than you realize to customize with after you get one and that's part of the fun. Here is a pic of a .22 I've been customizing just for one example.

Very Well said Fuze!!! Lol Training wheels 2 Nascar
GOOD ONE!
D BROWN I only been around here a cupple months BUT I been hearing nothing but GOOD thing's HERE! (EVERYONES willing to help if you ASK)
So your half way there NOW!
The thing "Most" of us Older guys Have over you is Our DADS were involved in US getting Our hands on guns I got my first 22 @ age 12.
MY-12 year old has MY 22 Marlin model 60 NOW & LOVES IT!)

I Dont know if your in the "Burbs" City or Country but THAT all depends into this also!
Talk to your Pops (Mine was an Marine Sargent & Rode my azz like a Donkey till I was 18)
BUT because of that I'm the man I am today.

Let him know your interested in shooting. and AK is alot 2 ask from a 14 yr old nowadays a 22 on the other hand can be a TON of fun & you'll learn "RESPONCABILTY"
Thats BIG with most "POPS"
See that SAWEEEEEEEEET Piece FUZE is setting up?
(I'm Impressed by the way FUZE What scope is that? Musle Flash suppressure LOL Realy)
Anyway theres a TON of cool stuff you can do with a cheaper 22 & its Cheap 2 Shoot!

Look @ that link theres AK looking 22's Did you know that?
AND to Quote

FUZE again ---You have plenty of time in the future to go nuclear

Fuse you Crack me up with your one liners!

SLOW DOWN your 14 WE were all once 2---DO your HOMEWORK,,,,, take out the TRASH ,,,,,,,, Get GOOD GRADES,,,,,, Make YOUR PARENTS PROUD!
I bet Pops will come around if you ""TALK" 2 him,, & just in general be a good "KID"
Just my .02 Sorry about the
OK did that sound like this? Thats the Question
(CRAP I sound like my DAD now)
Capt Mac~~
LOVE YA & Miss ya Pop's (Now I'm ball'in LOL He would Pop my azz at this point!

[fuzebox40]

Originally Posted by Capt Mac Turk

What scope is that? Musle Flash suppressure LOL Realy

Daisy Powerline 3-9x32, I think it was around $50, very popular with air rifles, holds up to the bi directional recoil.
And the other is a muzle break actualy, dampens recoil and muzle lift. Not much of that on a .22 but it does work if just to get gack to zero a little quicker. However I did it for looks. It probably wouldn't otherwise be practical to spend the money installing it on a .22 for the small difference in recoil.
Muzle breaks are completely legal by the way, whereas flash suppressors are illegal in at least some states, like this one!

[Juker]

Here are answers to FAQ on the Illinois State Police website:

http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/firearmsfaq.cfm

[fuzebox40]

By the way Capt, I had a thought or two on your "last shot hold open" question in the .22 thread that may be stuff you already know but then again...it's there if you want read it.

[cycloneman]

[QUOTE=Capt Mac Turk;802974

The thing "Most" of us Older guys Have over you is Our DADS were involved in US getting Our hands on guns I got my first 22 @ age 12:[/QUOTE]



Look I am one of those few that did not fall into the "MOST" of us. My dad bought me a bb gun when i was 9. That is it. My mother bought my first firearm which was a mossberg 12 ga. After that it's been all me. My father has never been interested in guns at all. He has a couple but we never talk about it. He never brought me hunting or to the range. So dont get discouraged. I know what its like to drool over guns in magazines and have to wait.

In the meantime I will offer you this and take this very seriously. As you get more involved in firearms you will need to become more responsible. Dont do like I did and learn as you go. I taught myself mostly b reading how to shoot and even reload. I never had anyone to show me a thing. Now I will tell you that some of the things i have done would have left others in a heap of trouble. I am very very mechanical. In fact when i was 9 i also was looking up the family car parts at sears. The guys behind the counter would ask me if i needed help. I would just say no.

So listen very carefully to me. When you decide to go hunting or shooting make sure you ask someone who you look up to and who has a good head on his shoulders to take you. Please do that. Sometimes I wonder how i lived thru some of the stuff I did.

Never hang around people who mistreat guns, you know act like smart butts and hold them sideways. Even if they are unloaded, just leave.

If you decide you like hunting try to find a place that is private. Public hunting areas can be crowded and dangerous. Try to find a friend with a daddy at a lease. Ask ask ask questions. that barrel is the business end of any gun make darn sure you never point it at anything you dont intend to destroy. Bullets can travel at 3000 feet per second and once they go there is no taking it back. Not only do you have to know what your shooting at but also what is behind what your shooting at. Look on line and do some local searches for gun ranges, call them and see if they have youth classes.

[Capt Mac Turk]

Originally Posted by fuzebox40

By the way Capt, I had a thought or two on your "last shot hold open" question in the .22 thread that may be stuff you already know but then again...it's there if you want read it.

COOL TY I had not seen it yet but I'm headed there NOW!

Hey FUZE I WAS trying to be Sincer when I said that was GREAT INFO 4 the Youngster (I'm Happy he is asking Questions & NOT going about it the WRONG WAY!)
It's just the one liners you pop out that in some kinda sick way remind me of my Pops he was so quick witted & would hit ya with a one liner like Hank AARON hit Homers! ( & You do that to)
I put my .02 in there & got tears talking about him & what can I say you kinda bring him back in here 4 awhile & its been making me smile
I said in a differant post I bet you would be cool to hang out with & have a Beer / Soda in my case & I ment EVERY bit of it Cheers 2 ya!

[Capt Mac Turk]

Originally Posted by cycloneman

Look I am one of those few that did not fall into the "MOST" of us. My dad bought me a bb gun when i was 9. That is it. My mother bought my first firearm which was a mossberg 12 ga. After that it's been all me. My father has never been interested in guns at all. He has a couple but we never talk about it. He never brought me hunting or to the range. So dont get discouraged. I know what its like to drool over guns in magazines and have to wait.

In the meantime I will offer you this and take this very seriously. As you get more involved in firearms you will need to become more responsible. Dont do like I did and learn as you go. I taught myself mostly b reading how to shoot and even reload. I never had anyone to show me a thing. Now I will tell you that some of the things i have done would have left others in a heap of trouble. I am very very mechanical. In fact when i was 9 i also was looking up the family car parts at sears. The guys behind the counter would ask me if i needed help. I would just say no.

So listen very carefully to me. When you decide to go hunting or shooting make sure you ask someone who you look up to and who has a good head on his shoulders to take you. Please do that. Sometimes I wonder how i lived thru some of the stuff I did.

Never hang around people who mistreat guns, you know act like smart butts and hold them sideways. Even if they are unloaded, just leave.

If you decide you like hunting try to find a place that is private. Public hunting areas can be crowded and dangerous. Try to find a friend with a daddy at a lease. Ask ask ask questions. that barrel is the business end of any gun make darn sure you never point it at anything you dont intend to destroy. Bullets can travel at 3000 feet per second and once they go there is no taking it back. Not only do you have to know what your shooting at but also what is behind what your shooting at. Look on line and do some local searches for gun ranges, call them and see if they have youth classes.

CYCLONEMAN
I TOLALY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING SAID HERE!
I would LOVE nothing better than 2 see this young man go shooting (SAFELY)
As I asked if in the Burbs City or country You & I both know once it leaves the mussel it could be VERY BAD if your Not paying att or fooling around,
some where you shouldent be Ect...
I was lucky my Pops took me shooting allot & we hunted deer in Ga on my sisters land every year till his death last new years eve.
I'm Truly happy you have gotten where your at in your guns & places with them even know your pops was not interested. I know allot of people my age (54) that just ai'in into them.
Do I have a problem with that? HELL NO
I think as We have knowlage we "Earned" growing up EACH of us DIFFERANT
our DUTY is to try to help these youngsters to be RESPONSCIBLE if your taught early it just stays with you (like riding a bike)
OR the alternative he buys / aquires a gun then in a time of "DUMB" hanging out with some of the Wrong kind of kids---Hes in trouble ,,,hurts someone or wores Kills someone NOW he's in Prison the rest of his life..
I APPLAUDE him 4 at least ASKING its a step in the RIGHT Direction!
I STILL think tho----he should try talking to HIS dad first.
If pops kinda dont wanna do it theres places (Big Brothers) & others that he would do great at.
Sorry 4 the rant.
Mac

[dbrown1997]

Originally Posted by Capt Mac Turk

Very Well said Fuze!!! Lol Training wheels 2 Nascar
GOOD ONE!
D BROWN I only been around here a cupple months BUT I been hearing nothing but GOOD thing's HERE! (EVERYONES willing to help if you ASK)
So your half way there NOW!
The thing "Most" of us Older guys Have over you is Our DADS were involved in US getting Our hands on guns I got my first 22 @ age 12.
MY-12 year old has MY 22 Marlin model 60 NOW & LOVES IT!)

I Dont know if your in the "Burbs" City or Country but THAT all depends into this also!
Talk to your Pops (Mine was an Marine Sargent & Rode my azz like a Donkey till I was 18)
BUT because of that I'm the man I am today.

Let him know your interested in shooting. and AK is alot 2 ask from a 14 yr old nowadays a 22 on the other hand can be a TON of fun & you'll learn "RESPONCABILTY"
Thats BIG with most "POPS"
See that SAWEEEEEEEEET Piece FUZE is setting up?
(I'm Impressed by the way FUZE What scope is that? Musle Flash suppressure LOL Realy)
Anyway theres a TON of cool stuff you can do with a cheaper 22 & its Cheap 2 Shoot!

Look @ that link theres AK looking 22's Did you know that?
AND to Quote

Fuse you Crack me up with your one liners!

SLOW DOWN your 14 WE were all once 2---DO your HOMEWORK,,,,, take out the TRASH ,,,,,,,, Get GOOD GRADES,,,,,, Make YOUR PARENTS PROUD!
I bet Pops will come around if you ""TALK" 2 him,, & just in general be a good "KID"
Just my .02 Sorry about the
OK did that sound like this? Thats the Question
(CRAP I sound like my DAD now)
Capt Mac~~
LOVE YA & Miss ya Pop's (Now I'm ball'in LOL He would Pop my azz at this point!

well i leave in a town with only 1000 people and the nearest town is 15 miles away so what would that count as.

[Capt Mac Turk]

Originally Posted by dbrown1997

well i leave in a town with only 1000 people and the nearest town is 15 miles away so what would that count as.

LOL WAY BETTER than I GOT it theres NOWHERE 4 me 2 shoot anymore by me.
My pops took me out in the everglades when I was your age.
NOW theres a 6 lane Highway out there & Houses jammed in there thick!
Go out anywhere & Shoot & get caught Your in Trouble!
I use the ranges now!
BUT ON 2 YOU!
Is there a SAFE place for you to shoot if & when you get a weapon?
IS THERE A Berm,, Hill,, Something thats a natural back stop?
Any houses,,stores,,schools,,with in (IF YOUR SHOOTING A 22) a MILE?
Is there a youth group in your town?
Look into big brothers I used 2 shoot with 2 guys that volenteered there.
Ask your local police dept, is there somewhere I can shoot?
AND REMEMBER THIS an AK (You said you wanted)
shoots BIG ROUNDS & (Very EXPENCIVE) that go a LONG way.
22's that most EVERYONE here is trying to steer you to you can shoot at ALOT more places than a AK (Food 4 thought)
And I GUARENTEE you'll have JUST AS MUCH FUN! & WAY cheaper to shoot
I pay about $20.00 for a box of Federal 550's ( I buy 2-3 @ a time)
@ Wal-Mart shoot for hours!
JUST learn to be SAFE thats the BEST I can tell ya.
IF you ever wanna talk or ask a Question you Dont wanna Post it.
PM me & if I can answer it I will,,, or I will steer you to someone that CAN!
Mac

[goofy]

dbrown1997. I have been reading this post and want to add a couple of things.
1st a .22 is the best to start with they make target backstops for .22 that can be used anywhare even in your basement. They do not cost much and can be transported anywhare.
Saying that I have to say that your dad has the final say you are only 14 you are under his control for at lest 4 more years.Anything you do can be brought back on your dad.If he says you can go to someone else like boysclub or boyscouts or ANY one else to learn to shot it's ok but if he says no then it is no.
Take it slow and talk to him show him your thread and TALK TO HIM you see if you get a gun with out his ok then you are going to be in trouble. Because your dad is legally responsible for you and your actions HE can get in trouble for your actions.(BIG TROUBLE!)
I know 4 years seems to be a long time for you but it is NOT your choice and you will learn in time that waiting is a good thing.
To all here that is giveing this young man advice remember he is a minor and has a mom and dad who is in control HE HAS TO HAVE THERE PERMISSION to do anything! and when you are talking guns that is even more important.
You need to be mindfull that you are talking to a minor and your advice could be against what his mom and dad want.
Be carefull of what you say REMEMBER he IS a minor and is still under the age of consent.And can do NOTHING with out his parents permission. You have said about how much trouble he can get into but not how much he can get his parents into.

[ampaterry]

I lived in IL and bought a high-powered rifle when I was about your age.
BUT -
Back then there was no FOID in IL.
And I had owned BB guns and pellet rifles since I was 10, and a .22 single shot since I was 12. My family were all involved in guns, and I grew up handling them with their permission.
I owned a .22 pistol which I wore around town without any issue back then -
BUT -
That was a different age, a different era.
Here you are in the 21st century in a family that does not own guns (no FOID= no guns) and you want to trick your way into owning a semi-automatic high power rifle for your first gun.
I cannot urge you too strongly to FORGET this dangerous and illegal idea.

Checking the ISP site, I find NO provision for "gifting" a gun to anyone that does not have a valid FOID. It is illegal for you to possess one regardless of how you aquire it, without a valid FOID.

Now -
Your DAD can get a FOID, then he can sponsor YOU to get one, and you could then legally own a gun in the Land of Lincoln, but there is no other way until you reach 21 years of age, when you can get a FOID on your own.

But on the bright side, some things are WORTH waiting for!!

[Double D]

Goofy, I agree with you here. He is only 14 and we really dont need to be telling him anything. We dont have a clue what he is into and what his relationship is like with his parents. They may not want him to have a gun and there may be good reason. We just dont know. If you cant get your dad to help you, we arent about to help you find ways around your dad to get you a gun at 14. At least I wont. Goofy gave you a good suggestion. There are boys clubs and NRA shooting programs that offer youth programs all over the country. That would be your best place to start. If you prove you are a responsible type, that will go a long way with your parents. You have access to the web so start surfing for youth programs in your area. Good luck.

[jack404]

dbrown1997, G'day and welcome to the forum , it's good to see a young person interested in shooting , but there are some issues , i'm 54 , my kids are grown and times have changed , i wish you could run around free as a bird with a .22 like i did as a kid , but times change and the world aint what it was

your folks , they should be included in all you do in shooting , not a bunch of strangers , even if i think this bunch here is pretty hard to beat , your 14 , its still time to follow what they say

the laws , heck they outright suck in places ( like here) i know in some places in the US you cant be alone with a rifle unless your 18 or in the company of a person 18 + , some states require parental permission , ( hence why i say get your folks involved , until your 18 they have a lot of say over you so keep that bridge up eh..)

check for yourself with the law what they say , we may be giving you bad advices , your county may have a rule we dont know

check for yourself and know , thats best

but again your 14 , i as a a parent would be ticked and worried your getting advice on firearms from strangers , especially legal advice , suss out your county laws and state laws and you'll know first hand and if someone rousts you read em the law back ..

the law works on your side too , educate yourself what you can do , you'll be surprised

cheers

[goofy]

dbrown1997 I do not mean to be a hard butt. But you have to understand we here are adults (most of us) and although we can understand that it is great to see a young man like yourself interested in guns(and it sounds like you have done some homework on guns) We do not want to incourage you to do ANYTHING with out your parents being involved.You sound like a smart young man and I am shure you understand that if your parents do not want you to do something and you take something wrong that is said to you here it could be trouble for ALL involved.So with that said I would like you to talk to your dad tell him how you feel remember he can't read your mind you need to talk to him. Do not TELL him ASK him about what you want. See what he has to say.
If you get the info. about boys club or boy scouts or NRA shooting then he might see you are doing your homework and thinking about it.This could show him that you are responsable enough to get into it. He might even get into it with you to learn more about guns and end up takeing you shooting!
Remember you are just learning and you need to learn to shoot the right way.You have a long time to learn ( we all learn something every day) You might as well do it the right way first.This includes how to handle talking to your parents about things they may or may not agree with.
You can do it!

[JLA]

Originally Posted by dbrown1997

Okay i'm 14 and from illinois i was wondering if i was walking out to my friends house in the country could i put the rifle or pistol into a lock case and take it with me?

If youre not legally old enough to go purchase one you cannot legally carry one without a parent present...

[Dirtypacman]

You'll shoot your eye out kid!

Just had to do it.

Sounds like your best bet is to think like an adult on this one. Put together a plan of action say "Dad if I pay for your license would you pay for my first .22" >?

See where that goes.

[fuzebox40]

Originally Posted by Dirtypacman

You'll shoot your eye out kid!

[geds]

Originally Posted by Dirtypacman

You'll shoot your eye out kid!

Just had to do it.

Just in case you didn't get the reference it was from the Christmas classic movie "Red Ryder." The boy in the movie wanted a Red Ryder BB Gun for Christmas and the response from everyone was "You'll shoot your eye out kid!" He gets the dream gun, promptly goes outside shooting, and ricochets a shot into his glasses breaking them. Then, he remembers everyone's warning!

Remember, most of us are old farts!

[cycloneman]

That movie was my life. I am sure most on here too. I remember drooling in the wilson catalog. Do I want the crossman or the daisy? Decessions decessions.

[dbrown1997]

Originally Posted by ampaterry

I lived in IL and bought a high-powered rifle when I was about your age.
BUT -
Back then there was no FOID in IL.
And I had owned BB guns and pellet rifles since I was 10, and a .22 single shot since I was 12. My family were all involved in guns, and I grew up handling them with their permission.
I owned a .22 pistol which I wore around town without any issue back then -
BUT -
That was a different age, a different era.
Here you are in the 21st century in a family that does not own guns (no FOID= no guns) and you want to trick your way into owning a semi-automatic high power rifle for your first gun.
I cannot urge you too strongly to FORGET this dangerous and illegal idea.

Checking the ISP site, I find NO provision for "gifting" a gun to anyone that does not have a valid FOID. It is illegal for you to possess one regardless of how you aquire it, without a valid FOID.

Now -
Your DAD can get a FOID, then he can sponsor YOU to get one, and you could then legally own a gun in the Land of Lincoln, but there is no other way until you reach 21 years of age, when you can get a FOID on your own.

But on the bright side, some things are WORTH waiting for!!

everyone is miss under standing me i already have a foid i'm waiting for my dad to get his he said he was going to get it the same time i did it at my local pawnshop but we didnt have enough time so my dad didnt get his app sent i did and already recived it

[dbrown1997]

First of all i have my foid card. Second i have shot plenty of guns at a couple of my friends house and he approves of it but he just want me to be safe.

[hunter29180]

well then that would be a GAME Changer then! Patience GRASSHOPPER! in time all good things happen!

[Capt Mac Turk]

I JUST thought of something & just RE-Read the hole thread just 2 make sure.

WHAT IF---Somewhere along his DADS live
POPS got in trouble and CANT get a FOID card?

Maybe he Wont get one cause he CANT DBROWN
(Something to think about)
that could be a reason he dident get it yet!

Never know he might not want 2 tell you the "Story of his Life"
(Which I could understand if he did have a problem with LEO in his younger years!)

IF YOU GET A GUN & GO IN HIS HOUSE
HE GETS ARRESTED & BUT QUICK!

ANOTHER reason you need to ASK YOUR DAD!!!