gifting. - The Firearms Forum

dbrown1997 · 10-05-2011, 08:21 PM

can someone explain to me what is gifting a gun to someone and can only a parent do it.

H-D · 10-05-2011, 08:43 PM

a responsible, law abiding person would only gift a firearm to someone with the legal right to own a firearm

Quote:

Q: May a parent or guardian purchase firearms or ammunition as a gift for a juvenile (less than 18 years of age)?

Yes. However, possession of handguns by juveniles (less than 18 years of age) is generally unlawful. Juveniles generally may only receive and possess handguns with the written permission of a parent or guardian for limited purposes, e.g., employment, ranching, farming, target practice or hunting.

[18 U.S.C. 922(x)]

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html

hunter29180 · 10-05-2011, 09:09 PM

a parent, grandparent may purchase a firearm or pistol as a gift for a minor or underage member of the family. while it may be "gifted" to said person, legaly the ownership stays with the person buying till the minor has reach the legal age. of course if said minor commits a felony of any type then possision much less ownership is another felony.

since you ARE underage at this time suggest you continue drooling and get a good air rifle or pistol to use till you come of age. save your mula and keep reading and learing. when you get legal, you will have enough $ to get a really good weapon of your choice. and since you practiced with the air rifle or pistol you will already be a big leg up on everone else!

ALSO ask your local city, county police dept if there is a local Young shooters program near you. if not maybe you can get them interested in working to sponser one. that way you get the supervision and the chance to handle and fire live weapons!

Capt Mac Turk · 10-05-2011, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hunter29180

a parent, grandparent may purchase a firearm or pistol as a gift for a minor or underage member of the family. while it may be "gifted" to said person, legaly the ownership stays with the person buying till the minor has reach the legal age. of course if said minor commits a felony of any type then possision much less ownership is another felony.

since you ARE underage at this time suggest you continue drooling and get a good air rifle or pistol to use till you come of age. save your mula and keep reading and learing. when you get legal, you will have enough $ to get a really good weapon of your choice. and since you practiced with the air rifle or pistol you will already be a big leg up on everone else!

ALSO ask your local city, county police dept if there is a local Young shooters program near you. if not maybe you can get them interested in working to sponser one. that way you get the supervision and the chance to handle and fire live weapons!

I AGREE Seems like his Pops just aint into guns or might not like them 4 this or that reason.
Since he is Asking Questions here I BELEAVE he IS trying to go the RIGHT way here.
D BROWN this Last paragraph THIS might be your Answer BUD!

dbrown1997 · 10-05-2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Mac Turk

I AGREE Seems like his Pops just aint into guns or might not like them 4 this or that reason.
Since he is Asking Questions here I BELEAVE he IS trying to go the RIGHT way here.
D BROWN this Last paragraph THIS might be your Answer BUD!

well every time i talk to him about getting a gun or him getting a foid card the conversation will last like a minute.

Capt Mac Turk · 10-05-2011, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dbrown1997

well every time i talk to him about getting a gun or him getting a foid card the conversation will last like a minute.

D Brown He might not think your ready yet
Maybe he is not into guns
Maybe he is affrade what can happen

I Think if THATS the case ASK him if it would be OK
if you look into Big Brothers Or your Local youth groups
Ask your police dept if they know of any groups
that could steer you in the right direction.

I TRULY APPLAUD the FACT that your Asking 4 HELP
I think thats a HUGE step in doing it the RIGHT WAY!
DONT be around "Bad type holligans" that can get YOU in trouble
AND 4 SURE DONT OVER STEP YOUR BOUNDS DONT GET CAUGHT WITH A GUN NOW OR IT COULD HAUNT YOU FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!!!

Then there will NEVER be any hope of him EVER wanting you to have ANYTHING to do with GUNS! THINK THINK THINK

your 14
When I was 14 I KNEW what was RIGHT from WRONG---DO YOU?

If you caught with a gun & Pops
DONT know about it know how PISSED he's Gonna BE?
PLUS if that did happen you'll have a RECORD it will make your life hell
Cant work @ ALOT of places,,CANT go into the Military,,, CANT ever own a gun (Leagealy EVER) THINK THINK THINK

Good Luck
Mac

JLA · 10-06-2011, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dbrown1997

can someone explain to me what is gifting a gun to someone and can only a parent do it.

Gifting a gun is giving a firearm as a gift to someone, and yes, only parents can do it if your are underage.

See H-Ds post #2 for legal details..

I know, it sucks, but all you can do is wait til you turn 21..

Double D · 10-06-2011, 01:10 PM

I think we should all do a gift test. Everybody get a firearm and gift it to ME and see how that goes. Once the smoke clears, we will have a better idea.

fuzebox40 · 10-06-2011, 02:57 PM

Rubberband guns are realy underrated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GAUn...ayer_embedded#!

ampaterry · 10-06-2011, 03:17 PM

dbrown1997:

You are in IL, and IL has NO provision for ANY ONE without a firearms owner ID to own a gun or ammunition, PERIOD.
Gifting is not an option until you have a FOID card -
And you can only get one of those if your PARENT has one and will SIGN to be responsible for you, then you can get a card.

That's it, period, until you are 21.

Check the IL State Police site and you will discover this is exactly correct.

goofy · 10-06-2011, 03:33 PM

Fusebox40 I WANT ONE!!!! love the way it looks. Rubberband huh I wounder how far it shoots?

Now to dbrown1997 If your dad says no then it means NO.There are no ways around it.
As for clubs you can get into to shoot I am shure you will need a parents ok in writing befor ANYBODY will teach you or put a gun in your hands.
So what I am saying is if you are not alowed to get,have,shoot a gun there is NO WAY AROUND IT you can not have one.....
But that does not mean you cannot learn about them.
Listen to what you are being told if you do not obey your dad or the law you will NEVER get one and are very likely to get charged with a felony that will NEVER go away.
I would like to know if your dad knows that you are on TFF and what he thinks about it?

hunter29180 · 10-07-2011, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dbrown1997

well every time i talk to him about getting a gun or him getting a foid card the conversation will last like a minute.

and from previous posts...
Originally Posted by dbrown1997
no because about a few years ago my dad had a .22 and then his foid card expired so he gave his guns to his brother and he just never got his foid yet

everyone is miss under standing me i already have a foid i'm waiting for my dad to get his he said he was going to get it the same time i did it at my local pawnshop but we didnt have enough time so my dad didnt get his app sent i did and already recived it.

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Originally Posted by ampaterry

dbrown1997:

You are in IL, and IL has NO provision for ANY ONE without a firearms owner ID to own a gun or ammunition, PERIOD.
Gifting is not an option until you have a FOID card -
And you can only get one of those if your PARENT has one and will SIGN to be responsible for you, then you can get a card.

That's it, period, until you are 21.

Check the IL State Police site and you will discover this is exactly correct.

something seems off here..

Ampaterry says,"And you can only get one of those if your PARENT has one and will SIGN to be responsible for you, then you can get a card."

but dbrown1997 says,"i already have a foid i'm waiting for my dad to get his he said he was going to get it the same time i did it at my local pawnshop but we didnt have enough time so my dad didnt get his app sent i did and already recived it."

so HOW did dbrown get one if his dad dosent have one??

goofy · 10-07-2011, 06:31 AM

Just to let every one know I called illinois state police and asked if you can get a foid card at 14? and if at 14 can you get one without the person signing permision haveing one and this was the anser.

The ONLY way a 14 year old can get a foid card is by a thier leagal guardians signature and the leagal guardian MUST have a foid card BEFOR they can sign.

The foid card is only good for the 14 year old for shooting NOT OWNING A GUN! AND MUST BE WITH A ADULT (who has a foid card) WHEN IN THE POSESION OF A GUN.

The prossess of getting a foid card can take up to 6 months depending on the amount of cards they are getting request for.

Something is NOT right here.

Again I ask DBROWN1997 DOES YOUR DAD KNOW YOU ARE ON TFF????

dbrown1997 · 10-07-2011, 07:13 AM

yeah he does and what i ment is that when a got my foid my dad was going to expire soon so he was going to get his renewed but i got mine in time.

hunter29180 · 10-07-2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dbrown1997

yeah he does and what i ment is that when a got my foid my dad was going to expire soon so he was going to get his renewed but i got mine in time.

but you did not say that..you said, and i quote.."no because about a few years ago my dad had a .22 and then his foid card expired so he gave his guns to his brother and he just never got his foid yet"

so he DID NOT have a valid foid card when you say you applied for yours.

Why are you changing your story? WE only want to help you!! But you must be honest in your dealings with us..we will not knowlingly lead you down the wrong path. Many of us would freely give of out time,knowlege and expertise in order to HELP anyone who genuinely wants to learn and get it right..including you!

come clean now so we can help you to get a real lifelong passion on the right road! WE REALLY WANT TO HELP YOU! You did the right thing by comming here and asking questions for clairfications. dont stray from that path now!

pinecone70 · 10-07-2011, 09:18 AM

Sorry, but this entire situation smells like poo to me. A 14 year old with a FOID card? Why would they even issue a card to a person that can't legally buy firearms or ammo? I think IL is much more hardcore than that with their funky firearms regulations.

goofy · 10-07-2011, 09:54 AM

I could be wrong about what was told to me (or should i say he was wrong) getting a foid card in IL will only take 30 days or less.
dbrown1997 Hunter is right after looking over your posts I can see that you have changed your story more then one time.Now I am not saying that you are lying but I think you may not have the hole story right.
The bottem line is YOU ARE NOT ALOWED TO OWN A GUN IN YOUR STATE INTILL YOU ARE 18! NO WAY! NO HOW!
Even if you are gifted a gun, given a gun, found a gun,You can not get around it!!!!
So is your father going to let you have a gun. NO!!!! because he is NOT alowed to have a gun with out the foid card and the only way for you to "have" a gun is if it is in your fathers name.And he is responsible leagaly for ANY actions that you do regarding this matter.
As for your father knowing about you being on TFF I have my doubts.
But I could be wrong( it would not be the first or the last time) So have him log on so we can talk to him to see if there is anything we can do to help you.
WITH HIS OK.
Are posting from school at 8:15 AM

hunter29180 · 10-07-2011, 01:57 PM

goofy, i have noticed he's posting in the eveing also, so maybe from his home computer also? or a friends?

personally, I dont care if his dad knows, would rather he did know, but if not would rather have him asking questions here instead of elsewhere! at least I know we will not steer him wrong!

JLA · 10-07-2011, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dbrown1997

yeah he does and what i ment is that when a got my foid my dad was going to expire soon so he was going to get his renewed but i got mine in time.

And now, unfortunately, since your dads has expired and you are only 14, your FOID isnt worth the paper its printed on.. If you get caught with a firearms of any type your father could face criminal sharges and you both will probably end up losing your 2nd ammendment rights altogether.

JLA · 10-07-2011, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goofy

I could be wrong about what was told to me (or should i say he was wrong) getting a foid card in IL will only take 30 days or less.
dbrown1997 Hunter is right after looking over your posts I can see that you have changed your story more then one time.Now I am not saying that you are lying but I think you may not have the hole story right.
The bottem line is YOU ARE NOT ALOWED TO OWN A GUN IN YOUR STATE INTILL YOU ARE 18! NO WAY! NO HOW!
Even if you are gifted a gun, given a gun, found a gun,You can not get around it!!!!
So is your father going to let you have a gun. NO!!!! because he is NOT alowed to have a gun with out the foid card and the only way for you to "have" a gun is if it is in your fathers name.And he is responsible leagaly for ANY actions that you do regarding this matter.
As for your father knowing about you being on TFF I have my doubts.
But I could be wrong( it would not be the first or the last time) So have him log on so we can talk to him to see if there is anything we can do to help you.
WITH HIS OK.
Are posting from school at 8:15 AM

My guess is his parent have seen fit to allow him a smartphone and hes posting with it while hes at school. Those fancy apple Iphones have sweet internet. Dang things are faster than my desktop.

goofy · 10-07-2011, 04:54 PM

JLA Yes you are right I do not even think about those fancy things. I have enough trouble with the big box.I agree with your post in this young mans other thread. There is something not right here.

JLA · 10-07-2011, 05:43 PM

yep..

Bobitis · 10-07-2011, 06:37 PM

I say we give him a little more slack.

If ya look at his initial inquiry:

http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/show...276#post802276

You'll see he effectively deleted a couple posts after he was informed about the consequences.

Then he started this thread.

To me, it seems like he's trying to do anything he can to figure out what he wants to hear, and he's not getting the answers he wants.

The truth will set your free, but 1st it will piss you off. I think he's now understanding the truth that the members here have put forth.

From the ISP website:

Illinois law (720 ILCS 5/24-9) states "(a) Except as provided in subsection (c), it is unlawful for any person to store or leave, within premises under his or her control, a firearm if the person knows or has reason to believe that a minor under the age of 14 years who does not have a Firearm Owners Identification Card is likely to gain access to the firearm without the lawful permission of the minor's parent, guardian, or person having charge of the minor, and the minor causes death or great bodily harm with the firearm, unless the firearm is:
(1) secured by a device or mechanism, other than the firearm safety, designed to render a firearm temporarily inoperable; or
(2) placed in a securely locked box or container; or
(3) placed in some other location that a reasonable person would believe to be secure from a minor under the age of 14 years.
(b) Sentence. A person who violates this Section is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor and shall be fined not less than $1,000. A second or subsequent violation of this Section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(c) Subsection (a) does not apply:
(1) if the minor under 14 years of age gains access to a firearm and uses it in a lawful act of self-defense or defense of another; or
(2) to any firearm obtained by a minor under the age of 14 because of an unlawful entry of the premises by the minor or another person."

So a 14y/o can have a FOID card. I see nothing disingenuous about his prior post.

He thought it was his right, but didn't bother to dig a little deeper. Now he knows.

I'd like him to stick around and learn some things. But I don't see that happening.

JLA · 10-08-2011, 01:34 PM

good post bob.

Im all for doing everything I can do to help the kid out, I just have a hard time with changing stories..

10-05-2011, 08:21 PM	#1
dbrown1997 Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 17	gifting. can someone explain to me what is gifting a gun to someone and can only a parent do it. -->

10-05-2011, 09:09 PM	#3
hunter29180 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: in a motorhome where ever we park! Contributor Posts: 1,627	Re: gifting. a parent, grandparent may purchase a firearm or pistol as a gift for a minor or underage member of the family. while it may be "gifted" to said person, legaly the ownership stays with the person buying till the minor has reach the legal age. of course if said minor commits a felony of any type then possision much less ownership is another felony. since you ARE underage at this time suggest you continue drooling and get a good air rifle or pistol to use till you come of age. save your mula and keep reading and learing. when you get legal, you will have enough $ to get a really good weapon of your choice. and since you practiced with the air rifle or pistol you will already be a big leg up on everone else! ALSO ask your local city, county police dept if there is a local Young shooters program near you. if not maybe you can get them interested in working to sponser one. that way you get the supervision and the chance to handle and fire live weapons!

10-06-2011, 01:10 PM	#8
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,076	Re: gifting. I think we should all do a gift test. Everybody get a firearm and gift it to ME and see how that goes. Once the smoke clears, we will have a better idea. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

10-06-2011, 02:57 PM	#9
fuzebox40 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Apple Valley, Ca. Contributor Posts: 1,485	Re: gifting. Rubberband guns are realy underrated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GAUn...ayer_embedded#! Attached Images

10-06-2011, 03:17 PM	#10
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,286	Re: gifting. dbrown1997: You are in IL, and IL has NO provision for ANY ONE without a firearms owner ID to own a gun or ammunition, PERIOD. Gifting is not an option until you have a FOID card - And you can only get one of those if your PARENT has one and will SIGN to be responsible for you, then you can get a card. That's it, period, until you are 21. Check the IL State Police site and you will discover this is exactly correct. __________________ A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. Larry Elder

10-06-2011, 03:33 PM	#11
goofy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Contributor Posts: 2,022	Re: gifting. Fusebox40 I WANT ONE!!!! love the way it looks. Rubberband huh I wounder how far it shoots? Now to dbrown1997 If your dad says no then it means NO.There are no ways around it. As for clubs you can get into to shoot I am shure you will need a parents ok in writing befor ANYBODY will teach you or put a gun in your hands. So what I am saying is if you are not alowed to get,have,shoot a gun there is NO WAY AROUND IT you can not have one..... But that does not mean you cannot learn about them. Listen to what you are being told if you do not obey your dad or the law you will NEVER get one and are very likely to get charged with a felony that will NEVER go away. I would like to know if your dad knows that you are on TFF and what he thinks about it? Last edited by goofy; 10-06-2011 at 03:35 PM..

10-07-2011, 06:31 AM	#13
goofy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Contributor Posts: 2,022	Re: gifting. Just to let every one know I called illinois state police and asked if you can get a foid card at 14? and if at 14 can you get one without the person signing permision haveing one and this was the anser. The ONLY way a 14 year old can get a foid card is by a thier leagal guardians signature and the leagal guardian MUST have a foid card BEFOR they can sign. The foid card is only good for the 14 year old for shooting NOT OWNING A GUN! AND MUST BE WITH A ADULT (who has a foid card) WHEN IN THE POSESION OF A GUN. The prossess of getting a foid card can take up to 6 months depending on the amount of cards they are getting request for. Something is NOT right here. Again I ask DBROWN1997 DOES YOUR DAD KNOW YOU ARE ON TFF????

10-07-2011, 07:13 AM	#14
dbrown1997 Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 17	Re: gifting. yeah he does and what i ment is that when a got my foid my dad was going to expire soon so he was going to get his renewed but i got mine in time.

10-07-2011, 09:18 AM	#16
pinecone70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Minnesota Gal! Posts: 4,730	Re: gifting. Sorry, but this entire situation smells like poo to me. A 14 year old with a FOID card? Why would they even issue a card to a person that can't legally buy firearms or ammo? I think IL is much more hardcore than that with their funky firearms regulations. __________________ _____________________________________________ "Miss Scarlet, in the library...with a revolver...."

10-07-2011, 09:54 AM	#17
goofy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Contributor Posts: 2,022	Re: gifting. I could be wrong about what was told to me (or should i say he was wrong) getting a foid card in IL will only take 30 days or less. dbrown1997 Hunter is right after looking over your posts I can see that you have changed your story more then one time.Now I am not saying that you are lying but I think you may not have the hole story right. The bottem line is YOU ARE NOT ALOWED TO OWN A GUN IN YOUR STATE INTILL YOU ARE 18! NO WAY! NO HOW! Even if you are gifted a gun, given a gun, found a gun,You can not get around it!!!! So is your father going to let you have a gun. NO!!!! because he is NOT alowed to have a gun with out the foid card and the only way for you to "have" a gun is if it is in your fathers name.And he is responsible leagaly for ANY actions that you do regarding this matter. As for your father knowing about you being on TFF I have my doubts. But I could be wrong( it would not be the first or the last time) So have him log on so we can talk to him to see if there is anything we can do to help you. WITH HIS OK. Are posting from school at 8:15 AM Last edited by goofy; 10-07-2011 at 09:56 AM..

10-07-2011, 01:57 PM	#18
hunter29180 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: in a motorhome where ever we park! Contributor Posts: 1,627	Re: gifting. goofy, i have noticed he's posting in the eveing also, so maybe from his home computer also? or a friends? personally, I dont care if his dad knows, would rather he did know, but if not would rather have him asking questions here instead of elsewhere! at least I know we will not steer him wrong! Last edited by hunter29180; 10-07-2011 at 02:01 PM.. Reason: if only I coul spell!

10-07-2011, 04:54 PM	#21
goofy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Contributor Posts: 2,022	Re: gifting. JLA Yes you are right I do not even think about those fancy things. I have enough trouble with the big box.I agree with your post in this young mans other thread. There is something not right here.

10-07-2011, 05:43 PM	#22
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,317	Re: gifting. yep.. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

10-07-2011, 06:37 PM	#23
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: gifting. I say we give him a little more slack. If ya look at his initial inquiry: http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/show...276#post802276 You'll see he effectively deleted a couple posts after he was informed about the consequences. Then he started this thread. To me, it seems like he's trying to do anything he can to figure out what he wants to hear, and he's not getting the answers he wants. The truth will set your free, but 1st it will piss you off. I think he's now understanding the truth that the members here have put forth. From the ISP website: Illinois law (720 ILCS 5/24-9) states "(a) Except as provided in subsection (c), it is unlawful for any person to store or leave, within premises under his or her control, a firearm if the person knows or has reason to believe that a minor under the age of 14 years who does not have a Firearm Owners Identification Card is likely to gain access to the firearm without the lawful permission of the minor's parent, guardian, or person having charge of the minor, and the minor causes death or great bodily harm with the firearm, unless the firearm is: (1) secured by a device or mechanism, other than the firearm safety, designed to render a firearm temporarily inoperable; or (2) placed in a securely locked box or container; or (3) placed in some other location that a reasonable person would believe to be secure from a minor under the age of 14 years. (b) Sentence. A person who violates this Section is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor and shall be fined not less than $1,000. A second or subsequent violation of this Section is a Class A misdemeanor. (c) Subsection (a) does not apply: (1) if the minor under 14 years of age gains access to a firearm and uses it in a lawful act of self-defense or defense of another; or (2) to any firearm obtained by a minor under the age of 14 because of an unlawful entry of the premises by the minor or another person." So a 14y/o can have a FOID card. I see nothing disingenuous about his prior post. He thought it was his right, but didn't bother to dig a little deeper. Now he knows. I'd like him to stick around and learn some things. But I don't see that happening. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

10-08-2011, 01:34 PM	#24
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,317	Re: gifting. good post bob. Im all for doing everything I can do to help the kid out, I just have a hard time with changing stories.. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!