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[Double D]

I have been discussing this with a few christian friends of mine and I am wondering what other christians views are. The bible teaches to love your brother and to pray for him. Even those who spitefully use you. Now, I know of a couple of self proffessed christians who voted for obama. In my mind, I cant find a place of reason for that. He stands for every godless thing there is on earth from abortion to you name it and is blasphemes god on a regular basis. This puts him in the enemy camp. The bible warns to not have felowship with the enemy. Do not have felowship nor wish them godspeed.

I cant stomach obamas voice or his face and will break my neck getting to the tv to turn it down and turn the channel if he comes on. I wont even listen to a 1 minute sound bite. So, I really have an issue with anyone who has voted for thiis guy. I guess I believe your stupid if you did and I dont want anything to do with you. I have cut off communication with these people because of it. I wont even give them the time of day. I am done. So, I guess god is likely to have an issue with me over this. What say you?

[American Leader]

I have a family member who thinks he is the anti christ but I'm not sure of that. However, I do think he is possibly muslim simply because of his name and relatives. The one thing I know for sure because I have lived through it just like you, HE IS A TERRIBLE PRESIDENT! I thought Jimmy Carter was worthless, but this guy is worse because he just doesn't do nothing, he actually promotes a socialist agenda. Now remember, terrorists are suppose to infiltrate our society to the very core so as to make everything look natural and ok. That way, when they decide to do something terrible they have blended in and no one is the wiser. His name is Barrack Hussein Obama, as I said before, "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck"! Just my opinion Dan!

[Brisk44]

shave his head and see the 666.

[Airdale]

My first question would be do they still feel good about their vote? If they do and still defend it I would say you're left with little choice. I don't think we are required to suffer fools.

If, on the other hand, they have seen the errors of their ways and are contrite....em I guess we're supposed to eh, I see what you mean, it would be hard. Keep thinking of all the harm those that voted for him caused.

My neice decided to get in my face about Obama the day of my Dad's funeral.
She actually told me she had the right to make a mistake. I just replied "why would you want to"? Tried to avoid the discussion 'cause her timing really sucked. I mean it was right out in front of everyone. I asked how she could vote for someone who believed in infanticide and she said "whats that?". At that point I opened a beer and let her go on and on. Still civil because of family and all but don't go out of my way to make any contact with her or her spouse. Sad actually, but I've come to believe she's beyond hope. Even turned vegan. Guess she got that incurable mental disease you speak of.

[Bobitis]

I guess it depends on how one defines 'fellowship' and the 'enemy'.

If ya only talk about your beliefs to like minded folks, that's not getting the word out. If ya think the enemy is anyone that disagrees with ya, likewise.

No way am I gonna try to interpret what the Bible is meaning, but in it's simplest form, it seems that one should reach out to those that have never heard the word.

So who is the enemy? And what is fellowship?

If yer aiding those that wish to kill you, yeah, I can get behind that. If yer trying to sway someone to believe the way you do; ya just need to know when to give it a rest.

In other words, don't help those that would wish your demise, and realize when yer not gonna win a confrontation. Both are a waste of time.

Choose your battles. And may you choose wisely.

[H-D]

When it comes to the Bible or GOD I let the Bible do the talking for itself

2 Corinthians 6:14-17

King James Version (KJV)

14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

[Double D]

Well, I guess that since I truly believe liberalism is a mental disorder and that it is a very dangerous condition, I think its best to not have any contact whatsoever with them. I refuse to listen to any sort of their so called "reason" or "logic" since those words are nothing short of oxymorons when mixed together with liberalism. I dont believe you could ever have a real detailed or meaningful relationship with a liberal since there is something actually missing emotionally so it would only be surface level at best and pretty much meaningless. I could never actually "trust" someone who thinks along those lines. I believe liberalism should be looked at closer as something much more serious and more dangerous and completely re-evaluated. Almost along the same lines as sharia law.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by Airdale

My first question would be do they still feel good about their vote? If they do and still defend it I would say you're left with little choice. I don't think we are required to suffer fools.

If, on the other hand, they have seen the errors of their ways and are contrite....em I guess we're supposed to eh, I see what you mean, it would be hard. Keep thinking of all the harm those that voted for him caused.

My neice decided to get in my face about Obama the day of my Dad's funeral.
She actually told me she had the right to make a mistake. I just replied "why would you want to"? Tried to avoid the discussion 'cause her timing really sucked. I mean it was right out in front of everyone. I asked how she could vote for someone who believed in infanticide and she said "whats that?". At that point I opened a beer and let her go on and on. Still civil because of family and all but don't go out of my way to make any contact with her or her spouse. Sad actually, but I've come to believe she's beyond hope. Even turned vegan. Guess she got that incurable mental disease you speak of.

Just like a liberal, disrespectfull and pridefull and full of talking points they heard somewhere. No clue. Sorry for that on your day of mourning. No respect. I probably would have poured something over her head and threw her out.

[Bobitis]

Originally Posted by H-D

When it comes to the Bible or GOD I let the Bible do the talking for itself

2 Corinthians 6:14-17

King James Version (KJV)

14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

^This is the disconnect as I see it.^

Christians should be isolationists? Or should they spread the word of the Gospel?

Ya can't have it both ways.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by Bobitis

^This is the disconnect as I see it.^

Christians should be isolationists? Or should they spread the word of the Gospel?

Ya can't have it both ways.

But the original question was with other christians not unbelievers. I was asking a question of people that professed christianity and yet cast a vote for the devil, oh sorry, obama.

[RunningOnMT]

Not everyone that claims to be a Christian is a true follower of Jesus Christ.


"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

'And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:22-23[/COLOR]

Often times those we think of as friends are living lives or believing lies that you and I both know are just plain wrong. All you can do is keep on proclaiming the truth as long as they will listen. I don't believe you should necessarily cut them off completely. Jesus ate with sinners and tax collectors. He came to lay down His life as a sacrifice for sinners not the righteous.

People can change and who knows what influence you could have on someone who is not living or believing rightly. There are several cults that I will not name, whose followers call themselves Christian. If every true Christian refused to have any contact with these people, how will the ever come to see the truth? When we witness to others we are instruments of God.

I know popular wisdom says "do not proselytize"; that to do so is annoying, disrespectful, and rude, but we are commanded to teach the truth, at least to the point where the person becomes hostile or will not listen.

Here is an analogy. Suppose at your work there is someone with whom you do not get along. Now they have aleady made it clear that they want nothing to do with you and you haven't been on speaking terms in some time. Imagine that the person is working on a very high building and has inadvertantly backed dangerously close to the edge. Would you yell out a warning to them or just think to yourself "by golly they don't want to hear anything from me, let them fall"?

Just as in the above scenario, how one believes and lives their life is of paramount importance. Yes they have a God given right to do as they please but one who is filled with the love of Christ will not let anyone choose eternal damnation without attempting to reach them with the word.

On the other hand there are those with a reprobate mind that absolutely will not listen to anything you have to say. Their hearts are often filled with every imaginable evil and their actions prove it. I believe that we should at least proclaim the truth to them once, then, if rejected, let them be. I wouldn't refuse to speak or associate with them at all, say for example if they are a coworker, but I wouldn't socialize with them if their conduct could become a temptation to you. I believe if you are saved you will know who to avoid.

Now when it comes to politics it becomes a very sticky situation. I agree with you characterization of Barack Obama. I think one would have some significant flaws in their understanding of scripture to support this man for office. Sadly I must confess that I have a brother and two sisters, all professed born again Christians, who voted for Obama, and I love them very much. The reasons for their political views are difficult to explain and I don't fully understand it myself. We were raised by a union organizing father, a staunch democrat who hammered into our heads the idea that people had a right to demand what was his sense of economic justice and "fair play". Somehow most of the family seemed to meld their Christian faith with the principles of the democrat party. The thing that none of them seem to understand is that the democrat party has evolved considerably from when they were growing up. Somehow they evolved with it to the extent that they rationalize away the evils of liberalism. Things like abortion weren't even issues back then. To them they still remember my dad preaching that democrats are for the little guy, the republicans are for the rich". (a concept I rejected at a fairly early age, though I could not discuss it at home)

So now what do I do. I can't cut my family off. I have expressed my views on the subject and have been loudly opposed. We have kind of agreed to disagree on politics and I for one will not bring the subject up with them. All I can do is pray that they see how they have compromised their Christian principles and get their voting in line with their faith..but I'm not holding my breath. They are all of advanced years and not inclined to reevaluate many things in their lives.

[45Auto]

A Christian might ask himself, “what would Jesus do?” The Bible says that Jesus communicated with sinners and those who did not believe in Him because they needed him to help them see the light. I’m no biblical scholar, but I think it’s there so that you can learn from His example. As you are aware, while Jesus was dying on the Cross for our sins he even begged his Father to please forgive his persecutors! That His last words were of forgiveness is very powerful.

You may not agree with me, but it seems that to follow the ways of Christ is to abandon hatred and embrace the love of God and our fellow man. This is not always an easy thing to do!!!! But it is good, because excessive hate and loathing cause stress which is harmful to good health (Jesus knew this before your Doctor did). The strong loathing you feel for those who don’t agree with your views is hurting you a lot more than it’s hurting them. Talk to a kind priest, minister, or some other wise authority before you have ulcers or some other stress induced condition.

[Double D]

Yea, over the years I have put aside just about every single type of issue or disagreement or difference I can think of in the name of sharing the gospel and sharing what I believed god would want me to share. This is an issue that isnt that clear to me. I believe since we are in the end times and we are in a huge spiritual battle right now, it is important to discern between whats right and what is just a waste of good time. I may find out later that I am wrong and that god wanted me to grit my teeth and try to do better, but at this current time, I am just not sure. I feel like anyone stupid enough to have cast a vote for this moron deserves some kind of sentence of sorts or payment for putting our country at such high risk. For the time being, I am going to have to sort thru it because I dont have one ounce of use for any of them. I guess I am admitting a weakness? I dont know. Just such a bad taste in my mouth right now. I believe that if you confess to be a christian and you voted for obama, you were under the direct influence of the devil himself.

[carver]

Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

I am choosey about who I talk to at any time. I am a people person, and I generally like most people that I meet, but I am still carefull about where the conversation goes. The one thing that I keep in mind though is that some of us till the fields, some of us plant, some of us get to hoe the weeds, and some of us get to witness the harvest. I will witness to anyone that I can, and do it over, and over. Ya never know when what you said to someone will make a differnece. It might happen when they are talking to someone else, and you are no where near.

[Double D]

Yea, this conversation has kind of turned towards witnessing and such but I would remind everyone these are professed christians.

[H-D]

Originally Posted by Double D

But the original question was with other christians not unbelievers. I was asking a question of people that professed christianity and yet cast a vote for the devil, oh sorry, obama.

Matthew 6:24


24-No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

If these supposed Christians voted for Obama and still stand behind him and all the immoral things he does, then are they truly serving GOD?

If they ever have been Christians surely they know right from wrong and if they have decided that being wrong is okay then they may be Christians in name only

[Bobitis]

Ya'll know I hate these arguements because they tear at the fabric of the topic.

Forgive me Dan if I didn't understand the question. And forgive me asked to the other posters. But I just don't get it.

On one hand, those of faith are relegated to go forth and preach the gospel. On the other hand, they are chastized for doing so.

I don't get it, and I never will.

Carry on without me.

[cycloneman]

Originally Posted by 45Auto

A Christian might ask himself, “what would Jesus do?”

I have a few people I hate so much that i would not pee on them if they were on fire in the middle of the street.

Bummer is one of those people. I was not kidding when I said I would crawl over broken glass all the way to the booth to vote him out.

Then I looked at the quote above. What would Jesus do? The first thing that poped into my mind is "I am not Jesus" Then I thought some more and recalled that my sins hurt Jesus much worse then what has been done to me. Jesus forgave me. This is part one of our salvation. So I have to say that I am in a struggle to forgive. I dont want to but I need to for my own sake. I dont know if this helps or not. With the help of Jesus anything is possible.

I struggle with this every day, letting go of the hate.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by H-D

Matthew 6:24


24-No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

If these supposed Christians voted for Obama and still stand behind him and all the immoral things he does, then are they truly serving GOD?

If they ever have been Christians surely they know right from wrong and if they have decided that being wrong is okay then they may be Christians in name only

Yea, they have heard the salvation message and made a decision and I am not there to present that to them. That is not the question at hand. I agree that I would have to examine my own faith if I had cast a vote for obama since I dont believe it to be possible for someone to be in right standing with god and cast that vote.

[cycloneman]

Originally Posted by Double D

I guess I believe your stupid if you did and I dont want anything to do with you. I have cut off communication with these people because of it. I wont even give them the time of day. I am done. So, I guess god is likely to have an issue with me over this. What say you?

The devil is very attractive. I have seen people look right at pictures of the devil and think it was wonderfull art. Then I pointed out things in the drawing "they" could not see. Some are blinded. Actually (and I know this is hard) but the right thing to do is to try and educate them. But dont feel bad if you dont want to. I believe at a point even God turns his back on some. I dont see a problem with you not wanting anything to do with them. I feel the same way.

[cycloneman]

Originally Posted by carver

Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

I am choosey about who I talk to at any time. I am a people person, and I generally like most people that I meet, but I am still carefull about where the conversation goes. The one thing that I keep in mind though is that some of us till the fields, some of us plant, some of us get to hoe the weeds, and some of us get to witness the harvest. I will witness to anyone that I can, and do it over, and over. Ya never know when what you said to someone will make a differnece. It might happen when they are talking to someone else, and you are no where near.

Well said

[jim summers]

Real dyed in the wool Democrats or Republicans will vote their party no matter what. It does not matter if that person is the right person for the job he is a Democrat/Republican doesn't matter if that person has the best interest of the country in mind he a Democrat/Republican. If Satan himself were running for the position they would vote for him because he is the same party as they are.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by jim summers

Real dyed in the wool Democrats or Republicans will vote their party no matter what. It does not matter if that person is the right person for the job he is a Democrat/Republican doesn't matter if that person has the best interest of the country in mind he a Democrat/Republican. If Satan himself were running for the position they would vote for him because he is the same party as they are.

No way that is true.

[ampaterry]

There is nothing unChristian about socialism.
In fact, socialism (from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs) is a VERY righteous and Christian ideal situation.
The trouble is, it does not work HERE in THIS LIFE with LIVING HUMAN BEINGS.

Due to this, I find I can AGREE with socialists in principle, while completely disagreeing with them in practice.

And, over a LONG period of time, this sometimes does have some effect with them.

It is VERY difficult, but if we refuse to talk to them, how will they hear the truth?

VERY calm, VERY unprovoking, AGREEING with their (extremely rare) good points, will in most cases bring an intelligent conversation in which they MAY actually learn something.

[jack404]

shared efforts or collective enterprise or group efforts yes , but socialism ?

seen too much of it and dug through too many mass graves to ever give it more than a minimum of time before taking aim

socialism and islam the two greatest cons ever

if that makes me bad i can live with that