Would a background check on primers and power change your buying habits? - The Firearms Forum

RAJBCPA · 01-14-2013, 03:16 PM

Some of these proposals in Congress are very comprehensive. I believe HR 141 proposes background checks for all ammo and components like powder, primers, brass, bullets, etc.

We already pay a steep haz mat fee for powders and primers, so I would think that if you add a background check fee at a local FFL, that would effectively stop Internet purchases of ammo and components.

I know one thing, it would give me significant pause....

cycloneman · 01-14-2013, 03:23 PM

ABC freaking lootly it would.

They start this crap and they might as well background check everyone buying cleaning supplies too.

aa1911 · 01-14-2013, 03:40 PM

just like banning guns, this is the same idiotic logic.

cause we all know that mass shooters are avid reloaders....

RAJBCPA · 01-14-2013, 03:51 PM

they need background checks for fertilizer too.

When will the nonsence stop?

V509 · 01-14-2013, 04:42 PM

No I have a lifetime supply the of both even if I double the amount I shoot a year!!!!

JohnTheCalifornian · 01-14-2013, 05:41 PM

It's sad that it has gotten to this point. They are having a hard time banning our guns. So they are targeting ammunition and componets. Although, this is not the first time they habe gone after our ammo. The background check would not stop me from buying though. Ill buy as long as I can. This needs to be fought every step of the way too. Needs to be treated the same as if they were going for the guns.

Smoke · 01-14-2013, 06:00 PM

No it would not stop me, in fact it would most likely make me buy in larger quantities.
I buy guns on line & ship them through my FFL dealer if I had to buy ammo too it wouldn't change a thing.

ryan42 · 01-14-2013, 06:36 PM

I would still buy but like Smoke I would by more quantity per purchase.Background checks dont cost me anything so no big deal.I probably get pounded for saying this but I think its all a bunch of chest pounding from the president and I dont think much is gonna come from all this.Just my opinion but I know somebody will disagree and thats ok Ive got broad shoulders.

soundguy · 01-14-2013, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RAJBCPA

Some of these proposals in Congress are very comprehensive. I believe HR 141 proposes background checks for all ammo and components like powder, primers, brass, bullets, etc.

We already pay a steep haz mat fee for powders and primers, so I would think that if you add a background check fee at a local FFL, that would effectively stop Internet purchases of ammo and components.

I know one thing, it would give me significant pause....

gone would be the days of running into gander or the local pawn shop to grab 1 more tray of 100 primers (3$ ) to finish a load out batch.. when the call in fee is likely to be 5-8$

so yeah.. my habbits would change.. i think I'd buy max allowed primer and powders and projectiles any time i was doing a call in.

what might be ok is if you could piggyback a ammo purchase with a gun.

ie.. stop in to buy that gun you've been wanting..and while at it.. pick up, powder, primers, lead, loaded ammo.. brass.. etc. all on one call in.

though i still hate the idea of a call in on ammo / components...

JeepHammer · 01-15-2013, 07:58 AM

A single background check, much line the one done when you get a handgun permit in most states, would not be an issue for me.

The best idea I've heard in a long time came from a retired Master Trooper from the Indiana state police, and a long time MP from the National Guard/Active Duty (Three tours in the sand box)...

Right on your drivers licence,
in Green if you are legal to own handguns, high cap mags, ect.
FC (Firearms Cleared)
CC (Concealed Carry)
HT (Hunting & Target)
FR (Firearms Restricted To Long Guns)

Then in Red,
FP (Firearms Prohibited)
FF (Firearms Felony)

Give the power to the Judicial System to confiscate the drives licence on the spot when a potential felony or mental illness is addressed, just like what is done right now in many states with DUI/OWI (Driving Under Influence/Operating While Intoxicated) and many states confiscate handgun permits in the cases of domestic battery or other potential issues.

With a glance, this would give gun shops, private sellers, ect. and INSTANT way to be reasonably sure they are NOT selling to prohibited persons.

This would also give law enforcement an INSTANT way to tell if that hollow point bullet they just found in a felon's vehicle is a misdemeanor or felony, and if they should do further investigation/take more precautions.

This wouldn't interfere with the 'Rights' of a mental patient by singling them out as such, it would simply give the people that should know a way of identifying the folks that SHOULD NOT have firearms.

In our state, it's a one time fee of about $160 to have the background check done and get a lifetime Handgun Permit, and I'd be glad to do the same if it would stop 'Gray Market' sales to people that should NOT have firearms in the first place.

The last thing I want to do is supply the firearms, ammunition, ect. to some guy that uses it to kill people...

flintlock · 01-15-2013, 08:08 AM

It would not change my buying habits at all. And that's a good thing for my local gun shop.

gdmoody · 01-15-2013, 10:21 AM

I already have a Georgia Firearms License and don't have to get a background check when I buy a gun. I imagine that it would also cover powder and primers so NO I wouldn't do anything different.

JeepHammer · 01-16-2013, 07:34 AM

It's not 'Different' in a lot of states, just not uniform in all states.
In Illinois you need a 'Firearms Ownership Identification Card' to buy ammo, and if you have firearms anyway, not such a bad idea...

My buying habits are about the same every year, I reload about 1,000 rounds for my rifles in the winter, shoot them up in the summer, repeat...

I think the permits, ownership, ect.,
And any RESTRICTIONS should be printed on the drivers licence for all to see.
Saves me trying to dig out my licence and carry around a dozen other pieces of paper, and gives Law Enforcement/Shops instant reference if the person in front of them should be buying or not...

soundguy · 01-16-2013, 11:47 AM

a universal licensing system where your CCW printed on your DL might be ok for LEO purposes. but remember.. every time you have to use your DL.. like writing a check.. others get to see you are a ccw holder..

JLA · 01-16-2013, 03:22 PM

I wouldn't do anything different either.. cept bitch about it taking longer to get what I needed..

01-14-2013, 03:16 PM	#1
RAJBCPA V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 321	Would a background check on primers and power change your buying habits? Some of these proposals in Congress are very comprehensive. I believe HR 141 proposes background checks for all ammo and components like powder, primers, brass, bullets, etc. We already pay a steep haz mat fee for powders and primers, so I would think that if you add a background check fee at a local FFL, that would effectively stop Internet purchases of ammo and components. I know one thing, it would give me significant pause.... -->

01-14-2013, 03:23 PM	#2
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,407	Re: Would a background check on primers and power change your buying habits? ABC freaking lootly it would. They start this crap and they might as well background check everyone buying cleaning supplies too. __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

01-14-2013, 03:40 PM	#3
aa1911 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,115	Re: Would a background check on primers and power change your buying habits? just like banning guns, this is the same idiotic logic. cause we all know that mass shooters are avid reloaders.... __________________ "Loud noises don't end gunfights.... well placed shots do."

01-14-2013, 03:51 PM	#4
RAJBCPA V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 321	Re: Would a background check on primers and power change your buying habits? they need background checks for fertilizer too. When will the nonsence stop?

01-14-2013, 04:42 PM	#5
V509 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Buckeye State Posts: 189	Re: Would a background check on primers and power change your buying habits? No I have a lifetime supply the of both even if I double the amount I shoot a year!!!!

01-14-2013, 05:41 PM	#6
JohnTheCalifornian V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 433	Re: Would a background check on primers and power change your buying habits? It's sad that it has gotten to this point. They are having a hard time banning our guns. So they are targeting ammunition and componets. Although, this is not the first time they habe gone after our ammo. The background check would not stop me from buying though. Ill buy as long as I can. This needs to be fought every step of the way too. Needs to be treated the same as if they were going for the guns. __________________ Im not a complete idiot.... parts are missing

01-14-2013, 06:00 PM	#7
Smoke V.I.P. Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: S.W. Indiana Posts: 85	Re: Would a background check on primers and power change your buying habits? No it would not stop me, in fact it would most likely make me buy in larger quantities. I buy guns on line & ship them through my FFL dealer if I had to buy ammo too it wouldn't change a thing.

01-14-2013, 06:36 PM	#8
ryan42 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: marion indiana Contributor Posts: 1,549	Re: Would a background check on primers and power change your buying habits? I would still buy but like Smoke I would by more quantity per purchase.Background checks dont cost me anything so no big deal.I probably get pounded for saying this but I think its all a bunch of chest pounding from the president and I dont think much is gonna come from all this.Just my opinion but I know somebody will disagree and thats ok Ive got broad shoulders. __________________ Tommorrow is promised to know one! Ryan Stevens

01-15-2013, 07:58 AM	#10
JeepHammer Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 14	Re: Would a background check on primers and power change your buying habits? A single background check, much line the one done when you get a handgun permit in most states, would not be an issue for me. The best idea I've heard in a long time came from a retired Master Trooper from the Indiana state police, and a long time MP from the National Guard/Active Duty (Three tours in the sand box)... Right on your drivers licence, in Green if you are legal to own handguns, high cap mags, ect. FC (Firearms Cleared) CC (Concealed Carry) HT (Hunting & Target) FR (Firearms Restricted To Long Guns) Then in Red, FP (Firearms Prohibited) FF (Firearms Felony) Give the power to the Judicial System to confiscate the drives licence on the spot when a potential felony or mental illness is addressed, just like what is done right now in many states with DUI/OWI (Driving Under Influence/Operating While Intoxicated) and many states confiscate handgun permits in the cases of domestic battery or other potential issues. With a glance, this would give gun shops, private sellers, ect. and INSTANT way to be reasonably sure they are NOT selling to prohibited persons. This would also give law enforcement an INSTANT way to tell if that hollow point bullet they just found in a felon's vehicle is a misdemeanor or felony, and if they should do further investigation/take more precautions. This wouldn't interfere with the 'Rights' of a mental patient by singling them out as such, it would simply give the people that should know a way of identifying the folks that SHOULD NOT have firearms. In our state, it's a one time fee of about $160 to have the background check done and get a lifetime Handgun Permit, and I'd be glad to do the same if it would stop 'Gray Market' sales to people that should NOT have firearms in the first place. The last thing I want to do is supply the firearms, ammunition, ect. to some guy that uses it to kill people...

01-15-2013, 08:08 AM	#11
flintlock Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Upstate NY Contributor Posts: 898	Re: Would a background check on primers and power change your buying habits? It would not change my buying habits at all. And that's a good thing for my local gun shop.

01-15-2013, 10:21 AM	#12
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,358	Re: Would a background check on primers and power change your buying habits? I already have a Georgia Firearms License and don't have to get a background check when I buy a gun. I imagine that it would also cover powder and primers so NO I wouldn't do anything different. __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

01-16-2013, 07:34 AM	#13
JeepHammer Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 14	Re: Would a background check on primers and power change your buying habits? It's not 'Different' in a lot of states, just not uniform in all states. In Illinois you need a 'Firearms Ownership Identification Card' to buy ammo, and if you have firearms anyway, not such a bad idea... My buying habits are about the same every year, I reload about 1,000 rounds for my rifles in the winter, shoot them up in the summer, repeat... I think the permits, ownership, ect., And any RESTRICTIONS should be printed on the drivers licence for all to see. Saves me trying to dig out my licence and carry around a dozen other pieces of paper, and gives Law Enforcement/Shops instant reference if the person in front of them should be buying or not...

01-16-2013, 11:47 AM	#14
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,464	Re: Would a background check on primers and power change your buying habits? a universal licensing system where your CCW printed on your DL might be ok for LEO purposes. but remember.. every time you have to use your DL.. like writing a check.. others get to see you are a ccw holder..

01-16-2013, 03:22 PM	#15
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,320	Re: Would a background check on primers and power change your buying habits? I wouldn't do anything different either.. cept bitch about it taking longer to get what I needed.. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!