1911 on full cock? - The Firearms Forum

DixieLandMan · 11-02-2011, 01:51 PM

1911 fans please let me know about this. Watching American Guns last night and noticed the daughter has what looks like a 1911 in her holster fully cocked back. My question is how safe is this?

toppkatt · 11-02-2011, 01:58 PM

If you need it in a hurry, the way I'd go. I used to carry mine cocked and locked. I now use a Sig P220. Safer I think but still almost as fast a first round, almost. With training I think you're ok. Not the best condition for concealed carry on the streets perhaps but in a store under those conditions acceptable to me.

cutter · 11-02-2011, 02:08 PM

If you are going to carry a 1911 that is the best way. With the grip safety and slide safety you are ok.

Shooter45 · 11-02-2011, 02:20 PM

My 1911 is cocked and locked 24/7. I have a good friend that carried with an empty chamber and a full mag. He said he was quick enough to rack the slide if the situation ever happened that he needed it in a hurry. I disagreed.
He said prove it so we faced a target and drew. I had two shots in the target before his slide was racked. Try it yourself. He now carries cocked and locked.

The 1911 has a grip safety and will not fire until the pistol is gripped. It also has a thumb safety and it won't fire until the safety is moved to the off position.

reynolds357 · 11-02-2011, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DixieLandMan

1911 fans please let me know about this. Watching American Guns last night and noticed the daughter has what looks like a 1911 in her holster fully cocked back. My question is how safe is this?

Cocked and locked is the only safe way to carry a 1911 that has it ready to fire quickly. You can carry it the idiot way, which is empty chamber and 1/4 cock, but if one does not have enough sense to carry a 1911 hot, maybe they should limit themselves to idiot resistant guns.

reynolds357 · 11-02-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by toppkatt

If you need it in a hurry, the way I'd go. I used to carry mine cocked and locked. I now use a Sig P220. Safer I think but still almost as fast a first round, almost. With training I think you're ok. Not the best condition for concealed carry on the streets perhaps but in a store under those conditions acceptable to me.

If cocked and locked works on the battlefield, it works on the streets.
I carry cocked and unlocked much of the time.

TheGunClinger · 11-02-2011, 02:30 PM

Condition 1 always.

carver · 11-02-2011, 03:13 PM

Cocked, and locked here, always, unless I'm cleaning, or reloading!

DixieLandMan · 11-02-2011, 03:28 PM

Wow. Thank you. I learned a lot already. I just saw that last night and thought that it may go off accidentally or intentionally.

carver · 11-02-2011, 03:33 PM

Two safeties on the gun, and if the operator is educated in the use of the 1911, his mind, and skill sets, provide even other safeties! The gun can not be fired unless both the grip safety is depressed, and the hammer safety is disengaged! It won't go off even if you droped it cocked, and locked!

Juker · 11-02-2011, 03:37 PM

It's worth pointing out to those non-1911 owners amongst us that the primary safety (identified by Colt as the "safety lock") on a 1911 will only engage if the pistol is cocked - unlike some other semi-autos where the safety can be engaged whether it's cocked or not.

Double D · 11-02-2011, 04:23 PM

Always cocked and locked. Always.

American Leader · 11-02-2011, 04:48 PM

Cocked & Locked!

H-D · 11-02-2011, 05:23 PM

Cocked and locked! safer than a Glock.....

lonewolf204 · 11-02-2011, 08:40 PM

Cocked and locked is the only way to carry a 1911!

ka64 · 11-03-2011, 09:07 AM

Condition 1 always...........

Inthewind1976 · 11-03-2011, 09:28 AM

Dirtypacman · 11-03-2011, 01:28 PM

Cocked and locked is the only way to carry a 1911 .. IMO

JLA · 11-03-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by H-D

Cocked and locked! safe as a Glock.....

Except a 1911 aint gonna explode in your hand if you shoot lead in it..

I prefer "Cocked, Locked, and ready to Rock"

reynolds357 · 11-03-2011, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by H-D

Cocked and locked! safe as a Glock.....

Thats not saying a whole lot for Cocked and locked being safe.
I would say "cocked and locked, much safer than a Glock."

reynolds357 · 11-03-2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JLA

Except a 1911 aint gonna explode in your hand if you shoot lead in it..

I prefer "Cocked, Locked, and ready to Rock"

And a good 1911 is not going to go full auto on you and cause you to shoot up the roof that covers the pistol range either. I have seen three glocks go full auto without warning. One was in my hand. Its one thing if you are shooting a full auto Glock, leaned into it, and are ready for the recoil, but when you are shooting a mod 34 and gripping it loosely doing slow fire at 50 yard targets, it can be a b..ch.

45nut · 11-03-2011, 03:20 PM

Oh, wait...... now I understand the question.

Always!

JLA · 11-03-2011, 03:29 PM

Hear that??? The glockies are mounting an offensive..

The Duke · 11-03-2011, 05:13 PM

Had an excited guy enter the range clubhouse one afternoon....

..His face was speckled with burnt gunpowder and his shooting hand blacked around the web and fingers...With wide eyes, he hands me a 9mm case with half of the back section near the head blown out..."You ever see this happen before?, he asked...

I replied, "Shooting a Glock are ya."

He Sez..." Yeah...How did you know?"

Staying in context of the question...Cocked and Locked always...

H-D · 11-03-2011, 06:21 PM

Ewwww glocks... never liked the trigger doohickey..... I keep my tupperware in the kitchen cabinet

11-02-2011, 01:51 PM	#1
DixieLandMan Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Alabama Posts: 606	1911 on full cock? 1911 fans please let me know about this. Watching American Guns last night and noticed the daughter has what looks like a 1911 in her holster fully cocked back. My question is how safe is this? -->

11-02-2011, 01:58 PM	#2
toppkatt Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 34	Re: 1911 on full cock? If you need it in a hurry, the way I'd go. I used to carry mine cocked and locked. I now use a Sig P220. Safer I think but still almost as fast a first round, almost. With training I think you're ok. Not the best condition for concealed carry on the streets perhaps but in a store under those conditions acceptable to me.

11-02-2011, 02:08 PM	#3
cutter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 630	Re: 1911 on full cock? If you are going to carry a 1911 that is the best way. With the grip safety and slide safety you are ok.

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Shooter45 Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Contributor Posts: 8,749	Re: 1911 on full cock? My 1911 is cocked and locked 24/7. I have a good friend that carried with an empty chamber and a full mag. He said he was quick enough to rack the slide if the situation ever happened that he needed it in a hurry. I disagreed. He said prove it so we faced a target and drew. I had two shots in the target before his slide was racked. Try it yourself. He now carries cocked and locked. The 1911 has a grip safety and will not fire until the pistol is gripped. It also has a thumb safety and it won't fire until the safety is moved to the off position.

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DixieLandMan Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Alabama Posts: 606	Re: 1911 on full cock? Wow. Thank you. I learned a lot already. I just saw that last night and thought that it may go off accidentally or intentionally.

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carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,235	Re: 1911 on full cock? Two safeties on the gun, and if the operator is educated in the use of the 1911, his mind, and skill sets, provide even other safeties! The gun can not be fired unless both the grip safety is depressed, and the hammer safety is disengaged! It won't go off even if you droped it cocked, and locked! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

11-02-2011, 03:37 PM	#11
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: 1911 on full cock? It's worth pointing out to those non-1911 owners amongst us that the primary safety (identified by Colt as the "safety lock") on a 1911 will only engage if the pistol is cocked - unlike some other semi-autos where the safety can be engaged whether it's cocked or not. __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

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The Duke Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: NW Louisiana Posts: 813	Re: 1911 on full cock? Had an excited guy enter the range clubhouse one afternoon......His face was speckled with burnt gunpowder and his shooting hand blacked around the web and fingers...With wide eyes, he hands me a 9mm case with half of the back section near the head blown out..."You ever see this happen before?, he asked... I replied, "Shooting a Glock are ya." He Sez..." Yeah...How did you know?" Staying in context of the question...Cocked and Locked always... __________________ Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

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H-D Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Mississippi Posts: 1,334	Re: 1911 on full cock? Ewwww glocks... never liked the trigger doohickey..... I keep my tupperware in the kitchen cabinet __________________ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Revelation 19:11