flat shooting bullets

[Alpo]

Y'all need to get together on your terms. A wadcutter and a semiwadcutter are NOT the same bullet style. Bullets advertised as "flat point" are generally truncated cones, and are also NOT wadcutters.

On the site linked, I don't find a 210 grain 40 caliber at all, let alone a 210 grain 40 caliber WC.

I've seen molds for casting 44 caliber wadcutters, but I've not seen any bullets for sale. I've never seen a wadcutter in any caliber except 32, 38 and 44.

Beth, it's not just for "pretty holes". It's for scoring the targets. See the top hole in this one?


Because the bullet ripped the paper, the shooter could argue that that is cutting into the bullseye, and therefore is a ten, not a nine.

Now this one used wadcutters.


See the hole at 9:00, in the black? There can be no "maybe it did/maybe it didn't" about that one. It cut the 7-ring. You can tell because the hole is perfect.

[jack404]

Alpo yes your right sorry , the wadcutters are not on the Aussie site list dunno why...

i have a pamphlet from em that lists em though sorry i thought the lists where the same , but i note the web sites not been updated in the past year or 2 ..

my goof ..

[geds]

I always thought wadcutters were better for self defense at close range, so that is what I keep my .38 special loaded with. Was I misinformed?

[Alpo]

That's what I told my daughter to keep in her house gun. I figger a bullet that cuts a 3/8 hole though muscle is better than a bullet that pushes the muscle fibers apart and goes though. I also figger that an 850 fps square nose bullet will do more damage to the other guy than a 950 fps round nose bullet that pushes through and goes on down range.

[BETH]

do they have wadcutters in a .22

[Brisk44]

No they do not.

[okiefired]

geds and Alpo, why not just use one of the good hollow points for SD? Something like Hornady's XTP if you want a big hole. WC's aren't gonna expand much.

[JLA]

They dont need to Okie. Theyll stop within the target trying to cut ther way thru thereby dispersing all their kinetic energy. Hollowpoints are great becasue they expand, most of the time, and stop within the target, again most of the time. A bullet that penetrates thru doesnt transfer all of its energy to the target. I dont think you could have a better defensive round than a .44 spec loaded with full wadcutters.

Energy transfer is what ultimately makes one round more deadly than the next.

[millwright]

Originally Posted by okiefired

geds and Alpo, why not just use one of the good hollow points for SD? Something like Hornady's XTP if you want a big hole. WC's aren't gonna expand much.

Hmmmm.......I'd opine that has more to do with impact velocity and the hardness of the particular wadcutter ! I've shot a number of deer with very soft lead round ball and recovered loads were pretty much "disc shaped" and showed a tendency to "sail" through the critters' innards ! I've no reason to suspect a wadcutter would perform differently ! >MW

[millwright]

BTW, Beth,

Thanks for an interesting question ! Leaves lots of room for some interesting exchange of information and debate of performance ! >MW

[Alpo]

In post #26 I put two pictures. There were two yesterday. Today I only see one. Anybody else still see two pictures?

I'm confused.

[JLA]

no. i see a red X in a white square

[jack404]

try that Alpo.. i see both now ..

[Alpo]

Originally Posted by Alpo

Y'all need to get together on your terms. A wadcutter and a semiwadcutter are NOT the same bullet style. Bullets advertised as "flat point" are generally truncated cones, and are also NOT wadcutters.

On the site linked, I don't find a 210 grain 40 caliber at all, let alone a 210 grain 40 caliber WC.

I've seen molds for casting 44 caliber wadcutters, but I've not seen any bullets for sale. I've never seen a wadcutter in any caliber except 32, 38 and 44.

Beth, it's not just for "pretty holes". It's for scoring the targets. See the top hole in this one?


Because the bullet ripped the paper, the shooter could argue that that is cutting into the bullseye, and therefore is a ten, not a nine.

Now this one used wadcutters.


See the hole at 9:00, in the black? There can be no "maybe it did/maybe it didn't" about that one. It cut the 7-ring. You can tell because the hole is perfect.

[Alpo]

Well, hell. Jack's fix did not work. At least there was still no picture. So I went to the website where it was, saved it to my computer, uploaded it to photobucket, did an "edit" of my own, and posted it here.

That was the plan. Apparently I hit "quote" instead of "edit", so it came down here to post # 39, and it the process caused Jack's fix to start to work.

Now I'm really And here I thought I was starting to understand these damn electronical-brain-thingies.

[geds]

Ok, we have some interesting discussion going. Is there a consensus for a .38 special?

Wadcutter, semiwadcutter, or hollow point?

[JLA]

for what? defense, or target shooting?

[geds]

Defense. Not much point at target shooting with a 2 in. barrel!

[JLA]

i beg to differ.. Get good at it and you can win bets.. and thats my friend is fun..

For defense in the .38 spec. Factory ammo.. I would use 125 gr +p golden sabers, reloads i would use Wadcutters.. Most folks dont condone the use of reloads for defense but If a bad guy attacks me and thats all I got, im gonna shoot him with em.

[BETH]

no problem MW i come up with the questions and then just sit back and listen to what everybody has to say, with so many people from all over the world there is bound to be difference of opinion but by the end of the post everybody comes together--its a beautiful thing

[JLA]

Thats a very manipulative approach to obtaining useful knowledge Beth.. Very resourceful of you..

[geds]

I'm glad you came up with this one Beth. I've wondered about this for a while!

[BETH]

sometimes i think men don't want to ask because they don't want to appear stupid you are not stupid for asking but you might be stupid for not asking because u don't learn if u don't ask (i am not telling anyone they are stupid so please don't take it that way). You guys don't have to worry about asking the questions i think i come up with plenty of doooozies

[BETH]

ah ha came to the conclusion on am on this forum to make all u guys look good and i am doing an excellent job cause u guys are looking good

[BETH]

see u later time to do some country karaoke